HolyAvenger wrote...
I guess at the end of the day it comes down to whether you view AI as another sentient life form or not- for me Legion and EDI are just as much people and members of my crew as any of the organic beings. Tali and Daro'Xen might not agree of course.
As for being able to relate to each other- that's something each individual can only figure out for themselves. But Legion can specifically relate to you (if you destroy the Collector Base for example, they commend you for following the same path of self-determination as the geth). Of course EDI is superior at many things compared to organic life- hell Shepard him/herself is so far off the baseline, you'd struggle to classify him/her a human anymore, but that doesn't change whether someone is able to relate to someone else or not.
As for the cripple argument- frankly from my personal perspective that's making a mountain out of a molehill. But I can see the merits in for sure.
It just seems to me to dismiss EDI as a bunch of programming is deeply discriminatory against a form of life in the ME'verse that has been shown to have intelligence, sentinence and even emotion. But I can understand if Joker fangirls don't want to ship him and EDI, that makes sense to me.
[Kidding] You JokerMancers are all racist! [/Kidding]
Well, she doesn't have "real" emotions. They are simulated, as Mordin points out when you first recruit him. Computers aren't living, therefore they can't really "feel."
In addition, I use the Data comparison argument. It's not that I don't think artificial beings should be able to have relationships, even romantic ones, but EDI is not Data...nor is she the Doctor (from Star Trek: Voyager). Data is an android that has lived a normal human lifespan, but he can't hold a relationship down to save his bionic life, because his actions were all simulated. The girl he dated in "In Theory" was clearly distressed that she was really only a file in his artificial brain. Later, Data did gain the capacity to experience emotions (whether those were "legit" or not is up for debate, but they were real for him, so I guess they actually count), and I would have supported him being in a relationship with another character because he had life experiences. He had learned and grown just like everyone else.
It is the argument of myself and others that EDI is not like Data in any way. Up to this point, she has been slaved to a ship, and has been online for less than a year. She is like a juvenile, and thus not really capable of understanding what love really is. I mean, does any synthetic life form not programmed to be just like a human being know what love really is?
EDI is also not like the Doctor. The Doctor was programmed to interact with humans as a human. EDI was not. And even then, the Doctor had to go through growing pains which EDI has not yet.
What EDI
is is a souped-up version of the
Enterprise's computer. Yes, she's artificially intelligent. Yes, she can simulate the emotions and wit of a person. No, she is not in of herself a living entity like Data or the Doctor. She was designed to be a tactical program slaved to the computers of a starship. She wasn't designed to be a person. Therein lies the difference.
However, it seems like we're going to be able to turn that on its head in ME3. I won't go into any details since this is a leaked-spoiler-free thread. However, if that is indeed the case, I would regard her differently. I may not agree with giving her a body because I believe that if she was designed to coordinate the
Normandy's tactical systems, she needs to stay there to fulfill that role - and that she wasn't designed to become an autonomous entity, so she shouldn't. But, in the end, if she does become an autonomous entity, I believe she has the right to grow and evolve just like the Doctor.
As it stands now, she's just the ship's computer; intelligent and sentient, but still the ship's computer. We pilots might get attached to our mounts, but not like that. (Yes, I am a pilot. Yes, I love my plane dearly and might even regard it with deep affection. No, I do not want to marry it or take it out on dates.)
Does that make any shred of sense?
dpMeggers wrote...
@HolyAvenger
*snip*
Also: thank you for
being reasonable. It's nice to have a discussion with someone who has
different opinions that are expressed in an intelligent and polite
fashion. Can we parade you around the forums and point and say "Act like
this! This is how nice people act! Don't you all want to be nice
people?"
So much this.
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Modifié par CDRSkyShepard, 08 décembre 2011 - 06:39 .
at reading that.
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did Gardner get enough ice-cream to drown two games worth of waiting for Joker. Poor little girl, lol.
