LOL. SUPAH FAN!viggorrah wrote...
Man I'm wearing my SR2 hat, N7 hoodie, and renegade shirt to the midnight launch of ME3. I'm gonna be decked out. I doubt Joker support is ending with ME3. Maybe for some people, but probably not for us.
Modifié par SgtPepper667, 05 janvier 2012 - 12:56 .
I am! VIGG DA SUPAH FAN.SgtPepper667 wrote...
LOL. SUPAH FAN!
Oh, support for Joker is DEFINITELY not ending with ME3 for me! Jokerite for LIFE. And damn proud of it, too!
*snip*
WE DO THIS FOR YOU, JOKER!
Count me in! I will definitely be proud to parade around my support for Joker long after ME3's release!viggorrah wrote...
I am! VIGG DA SUPAH FAN.SgtPepper667 wrote...
LOL. SUPAH FAN!
Oh, support for Joker is DEFINITELY not ending with ME3 for me! Jokerite for LIFE. And damn proud of it, too!
*snip*
WE DO THIS FOR YOU, JOKER!
We should make "Jokerites for life" banners for after ME3's release. Or I think I'm gonna make one for me, at least. >
I so wanna make one now. Like, RIGHT NOW. *darts off to Gimp*SgtPepper667 wrote...
Count me in! I will definitely be proud to parade around my support for Joker long after ME3's release!viggorrah wrote...
I am! VIGG DA SUPAH FAN.
We should make "Jokerites for life" banners for after ME3's release. Or I think I'm gonna make one for me, at least. >
And those eyes....oh man! XD
RynJ wrote...
I'd sport that banner. Jokermance or no Jokermance that pilot is awesomesauce that I want to put on everything!
Modifié par Drone223, 05 janvier 2012 - 01:04 .
viggorrah wrote...
I am! VIGG DA SUPAH FAN.SgtPepper667 wrote...
LOL. SUPAH FAN!
Oh, support for Joker is DEFINITELY not ending with ME3 for me! Jokerite for LIFE. And damn proud of it, too!
*snip*
WE DO THIS FOR YOU, JOKER!
We should make "Jokerites for life" banners for after ME3's release. Or I think I'm gonna make one for me, at least. >
SgtPepper667 wrote...
OMG. You guys are so awesome. *HUGS AND COOKIES FOR ALL!*
I just want to say, THANK YOU to ALL of our de-lurks, and supporters! You guys are so amazing! We couldn't have gotten this far with out you! Jokerites for life!
Same here, even though both my SR2 hat and N7 hoodie are homemade XDviggorrah wrote...
Man I'm wearing my SR2 hat, N7 hoodie, and renegade shirt to the midnight launch of ME3. I'm gonna be decked out. I doubt Joker support is ending with ME3. Maybe for some people, but probably not for us.SgtPepper667 wrote...
Same here! I just hope it fits my tiny head XD I am SO going to wear it to the midnight release of ME3! Along with my N7 jacket! If anyone asks about it, I'll direct them to the thread here! Besides, who says Joker support has to end with ME3?viggorrah wrote...
My best friend's hat somehow got dirty, too. He has no idea how. Poor thing.
My hair's short so I look fine in hats; I just usually don't wear them. But the promise of looking awesome in the SR2 hat makes me wanna change that. XD
I'll add to the snowball and say another THANK YOU to all our lurkers, de-lurkers, and supporters (even those of you who don't personally want to romance Joker)!CDRSkyShepard wrote...
SgtPepper667 wrote...
OMG. You guys are so awesome. *HUGS AND COOKIES FOR ALL!*
I just want to say, THANK YOU to ALL of our de-lurks, and supporters! You guys are so amazing! We couldn't have gotten this far with out you! Jokerites for life!
I'll add to this and say THANK YOU to all our lurkers, too! Everyone who supports this thread is appreciated!
I can't wait for Jokerite banners! I'll probably keep my 300 banner for a bit, though...because it's awesome like that.
I purchased my SR2 hat, it should be coming any day now! My N7 jacket is homemade!FlamingFlyingV wrote...
Same here, even though both my SR2 hat and N7 hoodie are homemade XD
RhiPanda wrote...
Boo I shall miss the spartan Joker banners
I would totally get a Joker hat if I suited hats in the slightest but I look RIDICULOUS in hats and I have to wear one for work so makes me hate it more ¬_¬
And Yes Jokerites for life sounds like an awesomesauce plan
pizu wrote...
As much as I like Joker, I don't really feel like he would be a suitable character for a romance. He could be a really good buddy, a good friend and the best pilot in the galaxy, but I don't think his personality would be fitting for a romance... But what do I understand, right? Let the ladies have what they want. Just don't make him another bisexual / homosexual character. Please.
Modifié par StarYukiko, 05 janvier 2012 - 03:37 .
That's the thing, though--even people like Joker fall in love. It's just a bit different for them than for most. They do it awkwardly, subtly, sending mixed signals... until finally they maybe just can't keep it in anymore, or don't want to. Generally, only extreme duress will bring out their feelings--see the bad ending of Mass Effect 2 if you want an example. Joker's "You are not doing this to me again!" is a pretty damned passionate line.pizu wrote...
As much as I like Joker, I don't really feel like he would be a suitable character for a romance. He could be a really good buddy, a good friend and the best pilot in the galaxy, but I don't think his personality would be fitting for a romance... But what do I understand, right? Let the ladies have what they want. Just don't make him another bisexual / homosexual character. Please.
Wynne wrote...
That's the thing, though--even people like Joker fall in love. It's just a bit different for them than for most. They do it awkwardly, subtly, sending mixed signals... until finally they maybe just can't keep it in anymore, or don't want to. Generally, only extreme duress will bring out their feelings--see the bad ending of Mass Effect 2 if you want an example. Joker's "You are not doing this to me again!" is a pretty damned passionate line.
If you feel that Joker is your good buddy, your good friend... then you can still have that, because your Shepard looks different and has a different personality than mine. Tali, Miranda, Jack, Liara, and Ashley are not all canonically in love with ManShep, and neither are Kaidan, Garrus, Liara, Jacob, and Thane all canonically in love with FemShep. Different Shepards attract different types and are attracted to different types. Nothing wrong with that, right? Part of roleplaying--the player gets to choose certain things, the developers others. I don't feel that because one of my Shepards romanced a character, they can't be my other Sheps' friend anymore. My Shepards are just different people. They don't share the same appearances or the same minds or the same sexual preferences, just the job and the heroism.
I mostly play my own gender, but I wouldn't mind if Joker could be romanced by males. In the ME series, there hasn't been a gay male relationship at all yet. That may well be Vega--it's what I'd expect--but if not, there's plenty of justification to make Joker bi, and still give us an LI that didn't actually bloom into that category until he finally loosened up enough to let somebody in. To believe himself worthy of being loved by someone he couldn't live without. To trust that he wouldn't be shut down flat with, "I don't go for your type," "I'm already in love with somebody else," "fraternization is against REGS, SOLDIER," or worst of all, "get away from me, cripple." To believe that he could have more than friendship, the friendship which for other Shepards would be all that was there on either side--but if you're attracted to someone, friendship can sometimes go further, if it runs deep enough.
With the fear of rejection that Joker has going on deep down... he's definitely a strong candidate for sleeper romance. For either gender. But the fact that in can happen in some cases doesn't mean that he's not a legitimate friend to other Shepards. For me, at least, I don't think I'd be with the person I am with if he had been born a girl or if he looked like a big tanned football player. Sucks to be limited that way, but I am a heterosexual female who digs the scrawny, pasty geek type and glasses.
In short, it's perfectly plausible that some Shepards would attract Joker and others he would just love as a friend and brother/sister type. The fact that the former exists does not have to cheapen the latter at all.
Wynne wrote...
That's the thing, though--even people like Joker fall in love. It's just a bit different for them than for most. They do it awkwardly, subtly, sending mixed signals... until finally they maybe just can't keep it in anymore, or don't want to. Generally, only extreme duress will bring out their feelings--see the bad ending of Mass Effect 2 if you want an example. Joker's "You are not doing this to me again!" is a pretty damned passionate line.pizu wrote...
As much as I like Joker, I don't really feel like he would be a suitable character for a romance. He could be a really good buddy, a good friend and the best pilot in the galaxy, but I don't think his personality would be fitting for a romance... But what do I understand, right? Let the ladies have what they want. Just don't make him another bisexual / homosexual character. Please.
If you feel that Joker is your good buddy, your good friend... then you can still have that, because your Shepard looks different and has a different personality than mine. Tali, Miranda, Jack, Liara, and Ashley are not all canonically in love with ManShep, and neither are Kaidan, Garrus, Liara, Jacob, and Thane all canonically in love with FemShep. Different Shepards attract different types and are attracted to different types. Nothing wrong with that, right? Part of roleplaying--the player gets to choose certain things, the developers others. I don't feel that because one of my Shepards romanced a character, they can't be my other Sheps' friend anymore. My Shepards are just different people. They don't share the same appearances or the same minds or the same sexual preferences, just the job and the heroism.
I mostly play my own gender, but I wouldn't mind if Joker could be romanced by males. In the ME series, there hasn't been a gay male relationship at all yet. That may well be Vega--it's what I'd expect--but if not, there's plenty of justification to make Joker bi, and still give us an LI that didn't actually bloom into that category until he finally loosened up enough to let somebody in. To believe himself worthy of being loved by someone he couldn't live without. To trust that he wouldn't be shut down flat with, "I don't go for your type," "I'm already in love with somebody else," "fraternization is against REGS, SOLDIER," or worst of all, "get away from me, cripple." To believe that he could have more than friendship, the friendship which for other Shepards would be all that was there on either side--but if you're attracted to someone, friendship can sometimes go further, if it runs deep enough.
With the fear of rejection that Joker has going on deep down... he's definitely a strong candidate for sleeper romance. For either gender. But the fact that in can happen in some cases doesn't mean that he's not a legitimate friend to other Shepards. For me, at least, I don't think I'd be with the person I am with if he had been born a girl or if he looked like a big tanned football player. Sucks to be limited that way, but I am a heterosexual female who digs the scrawny, pasty geek type and glasses.
In short, it's perfectly plausible that some Shepards would attract Joker and others he would just love as a friend and brother/sister type. The fact that the former exists does not have to cheapen the latter at all.
pizu wrote...
Wynne wrote...
That's the thing, though--even people like Joker fall in love. It's just a bit different for them than for most. They do it awkwardly, subtly, sending mixed signals... until finally they maybe just can't keep it in anymore, or don't want to. Generally, only extreme duress will bring out their feelings--see the bad ending of Mass Effect 2 if you want an example. Joker's "You are not doing this to me again!" is a pretty damned passionate line.
If you feel that Joker is your good buddy, your good friend... then you can still have that, because your Shepard looks different and has a different personality than mine. Tali, Miranda, Jack, Liara, and Ashley are not all canonically in love with ManShep, and neither are Kaidan, Garrus, Liara, Jacob, and Thane all canonically in love with FemShep. Different Shepards attract different types and are attracted to different types. Nothing wrong with that, right? Part of roleplaying--the player gets to choose certain things, the developers others. I don't feel that because one of my Shepards romanced a character, they can't be my other Sheps' friend anymore. My Shepards are just different people. They don't share the same appearances or the same minds or the same sexual preferences, just the job and the heroism.
I mostly play my own gender, but I wouldn't mind if Joker could be romanced by males. In the ME series, there hasn't been a gay male relationship at all yet. That may well be Vega--it's what I'd expect--but if not, there's plenty of justification to make Joker bi, and still give us an LI that didn't actually bloom into that category until he finally loosened up enough to let somebody in. To believe himself worthy of being loved by someone he couldn't live without. To trust that he wouldn't be shut down flat with, "I don't go for your type," "I'm already in love with somebody else," "fraternization is against REGS, SOLDIER," or worst of all, "get away from me, cripple." To believe that he could have more than friendship, the friendship which for other Shepards would be all that was there on either side--but if you're attracted to someone, friendship can sometimes go further, if it runs deep enough.
With the fear of rejection that Joker has going on deep down... he's definitely a strong candidate for sleeper romance. For either gender. But the fact that in can happen in some cases doesn't mean that he's not a legitimate friend to other Shepards. For me, at least, I don't think I'd be with the person I am with if he had been born a girl or if he looked like a big tanned football player. Sucks to be limited that way, but I am a heterosexual female who digs the scrawny, pasty geek type and glasses.
In short, it's perfectly plausible that some Shepards would attract Joker and others he would just love as a friend and brother/sister type. The fact that the former exists does not have to cheapen the latter at all.
You have a point, I can't deny that. I understand how you feel, because that's exactly how I felt in the first Mass Effect, where I couldn't romance Tali'Zorah. It's very frustrating and unpleasant. I understand that you really like Joker and I'm glad to see that there are people like you who support their character so much. I also appreciate that you took some time to write such a well argumentated and long post just to answer mine and that's why I'll try to do the same.
First of all, I'd like to discuss your roleplaying argument, because I don't really understand how it relates to Joker. You say that each single Shepard can be different - your hero could be the complete opposite of mine and whit that I cannot disagree, because it's true. That is, in fact, the charm of the roleplaying games, but I fail to see how that relates to Joker's personality. Mine Shepard could be a paragon and yours could be a renegade, for example - but that doesn't influence Joker's character at all. None of our choices in the game change his character. That alone negates the possibility of a different Joker "per" different Shepard.
My other complain is the follow: As a female player, you obviously view Joker in a different way that I do. For example - I don't find anything passionate in -
"You are not doing this to me (again)!", because it seems like a completly normal dialogue line for a man who's about to lose his commander and friend. It's normal for him to act like that in such a drammatic situation. I'm pretty sure that he would say the same to any other member.
Other than this, well, I agree. I myself wouldn't mind giving such an option for the female players, but I still disagree with him becoming homosexual. It just wouldn't find his image-personality.
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