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[RynJ]

I want to see what happened in those times before ME2 also. Like how Joker acted at Shepard's funeral. Were other squadmates angry at him at all and how did he react to that? So many things we don't know!

I always assumed that Miranda approached him while he was grounded and offered him a place in Cerberus. I bet he didn't even agree after she promised surgeries and a job flying, it was probably her telling him that Shepard was alive that made him agree!

Oh and top Shoker!

Modifié par RynJ, 07 janvier 2012 - 12:07 .

[SgtPepper667]

If I could nail Joker's character, I would totally write a fan fiction about that. I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to get it down, though, haha. We're a lot a like, but too different for me to feel comfortable writing him. PRACTICE, HERE I COME! XD

[MissFish]

@RYNJ: I love that Shoker!!!

And I have to agree with you. I want to know more about those 2 years in general, but any Joker info is good!

Modifié par MissFish, 07 janvier 2012 - 12:30 .

[viggorrah]

Although it's already been said, I really wanna know what Joker did/said when he found out Shepard was alive, or at the very least learn that Cerberus planned to bring him/her back. Always wondered that.

SPARTAN JOKER.

Modifié par viggorrah, 07 janvier 2012 - 12:33 .

[SgtPepper667]

They should make a comic about it...totally. >

I would buy it up so fast...

[StarYukiko]

I would buy it too. Even if that meant eating noodles for a whole week or more xD
I'm heading off to bed. Sketched up some weird Shoker picture inspired by the Juvenile video.
Took picture with my camera. Urgh. So bad.


Good night people!

Modifié par StarYukiko, 07 janvier 2012 - 12:38 .

[SgtPepper667]

Star, it's awesome! I love it! Good night!

I'd do the same thing...I'd eat ramen for a week to get the comic XD

[Negam]

SgtPepper667 wrote...
Besides romance, what do you guys hope to see from Joker in ME3?

More moments of badassery, like that one at the end of ME2. But I don't want him to do somethink like that drunk pilot in Independence Day: crashing the ship onto an alien dreadnought. That'd be sad.

SgtPepper667 wrote...

@Star:
I know Joker was grounded, but he never said why. If it was because the Normandy was attacked and lost - along with Shepard - then that is bull**** on the Alliance's part. If that was the case, no wonder he joined Cerberus...but I have a feeling he joined them because of Shepard...not because they would let him fly. I think being able to fly was an added bonus...but that'sjust my head canon. XD

I think that, being I great pilot, Joker could have chosen to fly for anybody, anywhere. I bet Cerberus told him about them trying to resurrect Shepard, and that's why he chose to fly for them. That way he would eventually meet the Commander once again.

Modifié par Negam, 07 janvier 2012 - 01:27 .

[RhiPanda]

Hey hey guys, have a bunch of Joker stuff I found on the Mass Effect head canons part on Tumblr









And a super cute Shoker fanfic

Modifié par RhiPanda, 07 janvier 2012 - 01:22 .

[MissFish]

^^ I love that last one, such a good head cannon to have!

[Drone223]

Joker: Dem abs

[phantomdragoness]

Wynne wrote...

phantomdragoness wrote...

Indeed, despite having two games with him, we don't know much about Jeff Moreau. All we know is the exterior, the personality he allows Shepard to see. I am veeerrrrrryyy
much like Joker in this regard. Guarded, sarcastic, snarky, the works -
minus the beard, hat, and gender, but you get my point. I don't come
right out and tell someone I like them. Ever. Too much chance to get
hurt. And maybe that's why I've never had a relationship, but I don't
think that means I'm not worthy for one.

Because I see plenty of myself in Joker, I am rooting for his romance because he deserves it.

Aww, PD... I never knew this about you! And you deserve it too. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie] I feel quite certain 99% of the people who come to this thread will agree, because we've clearly got a soft spot for your type! 

Seriously, I like the snarky, wary types. Generally, it means you feel pretty deeply and you hate even the faintest trace of a lie--you'd rather snark than say something meaningful without really meaning it, and you'd rather someone you care for think you dislike them than to have your sensitive heart crushed. Aww... just typing this is making me want to hug you! Don't ever, ever think you won't find love. You just have to know when the right time comes to open your heart, with someone who makes you feel safe to do it despite yourself.

Awwww thank-you! That's very sweet of you! Virtual hug! *hug*

Drone223 wrote...



Joker: Dem abs

Hah! I love that picture. Made me make a motivational once.

EDIT: ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH my post disappeared! D:

AGH. Let's just say I agree with Joker being grounded  because his psych eval deemed it necessary due to the situation with Sheaprd.

<_< I had two awesome paragraphs, and stupid coding made my awesomeness disappear.

****.

Modifié par phantomdragoness, 07 janvier 2012 - 03:17 .

[RhiPanda]

Ooh I also agree with Joker getting grounded cause of his psych evaluation, I really hope that actually becomes game canon rather than all our head canon

[Koji-san]

I remember my introduction to Joker was when my husband was playing ME2. I didn't know about Joker since hubby never visited e cockpit, so when the Collectors attacked the Normandy and Joker goes all Metal Gear Solid, I was like "why is that guy shuffling?! Why doesn't he shoot them in the face?!". Ahh how far I've come....

[RhiPanda]

Ooh found this and thought it was cute


By~PolymorphicGirl

[viggorrah]

I love that picture and that artist! She's done some excellent Shoker/Joker pieces.

[FlamingFlyingV]

Oh my goodness guys. Five pages away

But in Joker related news, I went to help out my high school's band today (so small compared to my college band D: ) and my friend/fellow Jokermancer and I proceeded to distract the opposing team's free throws by yelling things (It's a tradition we started), including "I WILL ROMANCE THAT PILOT!". This caused us to have to explain our argument to my fellow graduate friend right next to us. It was amusing XD

The three of us are all going to the midnight release to ME3 though

[Drone223]

Joker: Shepard I did some shopping on the Citadel...............
Shepard: And?
Joker: You said, "This is my favourite store on the Citadel" form four shops
Shepard: About that... 

[Eliantariel]

It seems that we will get at least some minor information about how Joker joined Cerberus in ME3.

Minor spoiler ahead:

According to a part of the leaked script Cerberus contacted some of Shepards friends so that Shepard would feel comfortable when being alive again. I haven't read the whole script, so no idea what exactly they told Joker and if he joined because of Shepard or that he can fly again. Of course - at this is from the unfinished script there is no guarantee that this will be in ME3 or maybe they are going to change the dialogue.


Spoiler end.

I think the most important dialogue between Shepard and Joker in ME3 should be about Jokers feelings when Shepard got spaced and Jokers reason to join Cerberus. I have the impression that he wasn't entirely speaking the truth or at least not all of it when he told Shepard why he joined Cerberus. I think he said he joined Cerberus because the Alliance took everything from him that he cares for  - which seems to be flying a ship. But he doesn't had to join Cerberus to fly again - I am sure many organisations are looking for pilots. There would have been other alternatives. And he didn't know that Cerberus was building a new Normandy. So I hope there is more to this - but I think it fits with Jokers personality not to speak with Shepard about his feelings and to tell Shepard openly that he joined Cerberus because of Shepard. But I would like to see it in ME3 nevertheless.

Why should Joker be grounded for longer time (I am sure he would not join Cerberus because he wasn't allowed to fly for a month or so) while othere crewmembers like VS were send to other missions (they had to - no idea why else they rised up the ranks so fast...). It doesn't really make sense at all.

Modifié par Eliantariel, 07 janvier 2012 - 08:56 .

[StarYukiko]

Transporting mercaneries or goods while being grounded from the Alliance? Maybe they didn't want to send him on missions for a while.
From his attitude it sounds like he'd go to that level just to fly. But I personally don't feel like he'd contact Cerberus personally just to fly since they have a shady history. And it would be like almost a little backstab-ish if he did that if Shep has that Akuze backstory.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Eliantariel wrote...

Why should Joker be grounded for longer time (I am sure he would not join Cerberus because he wasn't allowed to fly for a month or so) while othere crewmembers like VS were send to other missions (they had to - no idea why else they rised up the ranks so fast...). It doesn't really make sense at all.

Like I said, I'd bet you anything it was psychological evaluation. Even if it wasn't, the military is notorious for grounding pilots in the wake of a major accident or disaster for months and months on end pending a formal investigation. This is usually because they want to determine where the fault lies, if there's any fault to be had, and a psychiatric evaluation. This is something regular soldiers don't go through because they're not entrusted with really expensive aircraft, and I'd also imagine ships. So, that would leave the VS to go about his/her business, while Joker is sitting on his butt in front of an Alliance accident review board for months. Sure, the VS probably had to do a fair share of that, but he/she wasn't in charge of flying the ship itself at the time, so they wouldn't try to assign blame for anything on them. In real-life cases like this, it's the aircraft commander and whoever was flying the aircraft at the time (again, I'm sure this would transfer over to spaceships similarly like it does with aircraft with multiple crew members) that get caught up in most of the mess, while the others might not necessarily be tied up in the same crap.

If there was a psychological component to the reason he was grounded as well, then they could forseeably keep him on the ground indefinitely...and stuck in a crap desk job, most likely.

Therefore, it makes perfect sense to me that the Alliance grounded Joker (and probably gave him a s*** temp job, like filing paperwork) while everyone else was moving on with their careers post-attack. That's probably why he got frustrated and even considered joining Cerberus.

[MissFish]

Koji-san wrote...

I remember my introduction to Joker was when my husband was playing ME2. I didn't know about Joker since hubby never visited e cockpit, so when the Collectors attacked the Normandy and Joker goes all Metal Gear Solid, I was like "why is that guy shuffling?! Why doesn't he shoot them in the face?!". Ahh how far I've come....

That's kind of how I did it. I played ME2 first, so I really had no idea who Joker was besides the pilot.
That whole shuffleing thing confused me, so I had too look it up.

[Eliantariel]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Eliantariel wrote...

Why should Joker be grounded for longer time (I am sure he would not join Cerberus because he wasn't allowed to fly for a month or so) while othere crewmembers like VS were send to other missions (they had to - no idea why else they rised up the ranks so fast...). It doesn't really make sense at all.

Like I said, I'd bet you anything it was psychological evaluation. Even if it wasn't, the military is notorious for grounding pilots in the wake of a major accident or disaster for months and months on end pending a formal investigation. This is usually because they want to determine where the fault lies, if there's any fault to be had, and a psychiatric evaluation. This is something regular soldiers don't go through because they're not entrusted with really expensive aircraft, and I'd also imagine ships. So, that would leave the VS to go about his/her business, while Joker is sitting on his butt in front of an Alliance accident review board for months. Sure, the VS probably had to do a fair share of that, but he/she wasn't in charge of flying the ship itself at the time, so they wouldn't try to assign blame for anything on them. In real-life cases like this, it's the aircraft commander and whoever was flying the aircraft at the time (again, I'm sure this would transfer over to spaceships similarly like it does with aircraft with multiple crew members) that get caught up in most of the mess, while the others might not necessarily be tied up in the same crap.

If there was a psychological component to the reason he was grounded as well, then they could forseeably keep him on the ground indefinitely...and stuck in a crap desk job, most likely.

Therefore, it makes perfect sense to me that the Alliance grounded Joker (and probably gave him a s*** temp job, like filing paperwork) while everyone else was moving on with their careers post-attack. That's probably why he got frustrated and even considered joining Cerberus.

Thank you very much for the explanation - that makes indeed sense.

But I am still wondering why Joker would go directly to Cerberus. There are other organisations or mercenaries where he could fly a ship too. Maybe Cerberus caught his attention with better conditions, but still it is a terror organisation that Joker should know from ME1.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Eliantariel wrote...
*Snip*

Thank you very much for the explanation - that makes indeed sense.

But I am still wondering why Joker would go directly to Cerberus. There are other organisations or mercenaries where he could fly a ship too. Maybe Cerberus caught his attention with better conditions, but still it is a terror organisation that Joker should know from ME1.

I can think of any number of reasons...the biggest one being that Joker found out about Lazarus. I don't think he would've joined Cerberus out of mere disgruntlement with the Alliance military. Like you said, he could have probably finded a merc group to work for if he were desperate, and choose that over Cerberus any day. However, since he's obviously very loyal to Shepard, he'd join Cerberus to be on Shepard's team...but only to be on Shepard's team. I think if Cerberus had gone, "Jk, Joker, we need you to work with this other cell instead" (not that they'd do that, because they would want the best pilot for their most important mission of all) Joker would have been like, "Screw you guys, I'm going back to my desk job."

In my head-canon, Joker "finds out" about Lazarus through an intentional leak by Cerberus, designed to get him to seek them out himself, and thus come willingly without the promise of a ship to fly. (He didn't know about the Normandy SR2 yet, as I'm sure Cerberus wasn't sure about it either, as to whether or not they were going to be able to successfully build it in secrecy and whatnot...I think that Joker was part of Lazarus for a while, perhaps up to a year, before the events of ME2) I think the prospect of flying again was part of the Cerberus deal, as well as the incentive for his bone treatments, but he wouldn't join a known terrorist group just for material things like that. (Sure, he cares a lot about flying, but there's more to life than a job, and like has been said, he could've done that elsewhere.) Cerberus was planning on revamping the Normandy, and wanted Joker to be the pilot, not only because of his skill, but because of his history and familiarity with Shepard. They needed him to come willingly, so they baited him using news that Shepard was being brought back to life: this ensured his cooperation, since the Illusive Man knew about his attraction to her. /headcanon

[Drone223]

In ME3 you'll be able to play poker with crew member's and squad member's including you LI, so you can always invite Joker into your captain's quarter's fo a few drinks and a game, and what ever that may lead to

Modifié par Drone223, 07 janvier 2012 - 08:41 .