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[phantomdragoness]

@Wynne: OH! I gotcha now! *thumbs up*

As for the Joker and EDI scenario...

People, look at your computer/mac/whatever and think: do you want a relationship with it? The box of cold wires, data and God-knows what else you keep in there?

Loving EDI would be as unsatisfying as loving your computer. EDI is all about data and what her codes enable her to do. She picks on Joker because HER READINGS tell her that he works better under pressure; Joker wants to prove himself as a human being, not as that guy with the creaky legs. Seeing that the Normandy performs better when Joker is irked and determined, EDI continues pestering him. EDI also banters with Joker to keep him entertained. We all know he spends all of his time in the cockpit; he said himself he is not a people person. This could mean he is not very social, or he just does not like people in general. He was most likely targeted bullies and teasing as a kid because of his condition. People can hurt you, lie to you etc. because they gain some sort of emotional euphoria and gain from doing so. EDI is a safe "friend" because as a computer, she simply cannot do those things. She cannot comprehend emotions because her coding cannot include it. How do you simplify complicated, hormonal, biologicaly ingrained emotions into computer code? You can't. It's like - to quote Shiala - "explaining color to a creature without eyes." You can simulate emotions, but in the end no machine can comprehend the emotion of love - hence the name: Artificial Intelligence. Joker is sane enough to realize this, thankfully.

*sigh* Anyways, that's my argument.

Virgin Mary's Knickers, you don't realize how complicated humans are until you try to humanize an AI.

[Corephyfish]

Wynne wrote...

phantomdragoness wrote...

Sorry, I meant cliche as in it happens often.

I had the impression you meant that; I was just trying to be encouraging. Like, "Don't worry, even though it's a common story, that's only because it's realistic, so that in itself wouldn't be a reason for them to say 'No Joker for you, children!'" Of course, that's silly of me, because I can never seem to decide whether I believe it will happen or not.

It's just so hard not to have a little faith and to maintain a proper amount of pessimism when not only did Fenris turn out to be romanceable, but also awesome, without any wives, children, or inevitable premature demises to speak of.

 

Omega Torsk wrote...

EDI:
Shepard; my thermal sensor readings of you have just now detected a
sudden spike in temperature, which may indicate a fever. I suggest
visiting Dr. Chakwas for preventative measures.
Shepard: (through gritted teeth) Thanks… EDI… [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Your solution is quite elegant; I wouldn't mind it if they did it this way because then I wouldn't have to feel guilty whenever I don't romance Joker. (As with my lesbian FemShep/ ShepDude-who-sees-Joker-as-a-bro.) I would love Bioware forever if they did it that way... well, even more than before, anyway.

Also, the above is by far my favorite part of what you wrote. I wanted to virtually high-five EDI.

S.A.K wrote...

Joker romance?!?! The poor dude will brake every bone in his body if he's romanced

WidowMaker9394 wrote...

Have fun breaking his bones when you're boning him.

Wow, this is suddenly really handy.


See, when gravity isn't taking its toll on our fine friend Joker, the issue of breaking bones isn't really much of an issue. Sure, he and Shepard will have to learn to use their muscles in different ways than they're used to, but that's just part of the fun. It's kinda kinky, but in a sweet, innocent, playful sort of way.

Furthermore, regardless of what you may have watched in movies or possibly 'movies', sex does not have to be a brutal jackhammer-motion in order to be enjoyable. Depending on the positions taken, and the flexibility of both partners, it can be gentle on the bones of one partner and still incredible.

Shep-ley wrote...

Besides, Joker is not a lover-boy, he is
just into Normandy SR, and the only woman could distract him is EDI. I
don't believe the idea Shepard is a female in another universe, so I
pass that LI option.

I think a lot of people you wouldn't think of as lover-boys find love. Since Joker said "this is why I don't date crew," it's clear enough that he's had dates before. I doubt he's a virgin.

Not that this hasn't been said before, but since there's always someone new: EDI doesn't have a limbic system. She has no hormones. She has no physical parts. She cannot feel emotion because that requires biological components which she does not possess. She is not even constructed from a cloned brain of a real human being, as Cortana was.

Conclusion: EDI is not a "woman" who could distract Joker because a computer is not a woman at all, nor even a pet, as pets can feel something when you touch the physical parts that they actually have. Dogs and cats, among others, have a fight-or-flight response, a mating instinct, the ability to comprehend affection and safety and danger. EDI has none of those things, no viscera, nada.

Even if EDI were given a body, one fully of age, it would still be a manmade construct and its "life experience" would be that of really intelligent child. Intelligence does not equal a readiness to deal with adulthood. EDI is innocent enough that if it were "born", Joker would have to wait a long time for it to have anything like a self-developed personality rather than the programming that makes it what it is.

No matter how cute EDI can be, and even if they put EDI into a body, that would not make EDI a love interest for anyone. Besides, click on the link in my signature if you'd like to refresh your memory on the conversation--Joker himself said to the idea that he was getting too close to EDI, a sincerely (not falsely) casual "Nah, it's not like that," followed by an expression that the thought of them being excessively close was creepy. Not in a "repressed sexual tension" kind of way, but a very relaxed, amused sort of way.

Whatever happens to Joker, I could not stand it if it were a borderline pedophilic robot girlfriend relationship. I'd rather see Joker with Kelly or some random crew member than to have something that disturbing be his fate. It would be especially sad for a guy with a disability--it would be indirectly implying that a guy like him can't get a real girl and has to turn to virtual pornography. I'd rather almost anything happen than that. I'd rather the Reapers try to bomb earth with cupcakes and make tea for Big Ben.

I respect your opinions about Joker for the rest of it, you have a right to them, but the idea of him with EDI--I think if you really consider it, you'll find that it's not at all like Cortana and the Chief in the details, and even if it were, imitating a well-known franchise like Halo would not exactly set Mass Effect apart from the herd. Accusations of a ripoff would not be far behind.

WidowMaker9394 wrote...

In what way was it not intelligent?

It
made sense, it was straightforward and I do not believe that I need to
list any reasoning because any individual with even an ounce of taste
for a good story would realize how cheesy it is.

Ahhh. Gotta love that "anyone who has taste would realize it sucks so I don't have to justify my arbitrary opinions!" attitude. No hubris involved there.

See, dividing us into two categories--those with taste and those without--and placing oneself in the former category while refusing to admit that anyone in the latter category could have taste completely frees the commenter from offering up any intelligent debate which could, say, be disputed and have its flaws in logic pointed out. And this is of course not at all transparent to us lesser buffoons without taste, for we are inferior beings, mere apes scratching our confused little heads. Say, I think I heard a story about this sort of thing when I was a little kid... it's called "The Emperor's New Clothes."

It certainly can't be that there is room for a Joker romance which is anything but cheesy, and even less so that such an idea is half the point for some or most of us. Due to the fact that in WidowMaker9394's imagination there is no room for a romance with Joker that isn't liberally flavored with gouda, that means no one else on the planet could possibly be intelligent or creative enough to write one, certainly no one on the Mass Effect team. Well, time to pack in the thread. Shrug our shoulders and wander away with our tails tucked between our legs. We have been enlightened as to how wrong we are, us and our humble 29-page thread. Oh, how the scales have fallen from our eyes...

What else was I going to say? I know there was some sort of phrase rattling around in my pea-sized monkey brain... oh, yes; after some hard thinking, I seem to remember... "obvious troll is obvious." And how do we deal with trolls? We ignore them and go back to talking about the thing we won't stop discussing just because a few people don't like the idea.

Now, if any actual points you want to make come to mind, feel free to speak up. Otherwise, don't let the door hit you.

I take my hat off to you Wynne, intelligent and well thought out responses.

I personally have decided to ignore the YOU WILL KILLS HIMM!!!!!ELEVENTY comments because I'm sick of repeating myself andI'm afraid I'll say something that will get this thread locked.

These people never read our responses or even the OP (which has all our arguements against theirs) anyway so I don't see the point, but well done, I enjoyed reading your post!

[FlamingFlyingV]

Hey everybody! We reached page 30! =D

Now for another one of my fave pics to celebrate!

[Koji-san]

Saying you can't romance somebody with osteogenesis imperfecta is like saying you can't romance somebody with asthma because of heavy breathing, or somebody missing an arm can't be in a relationship because they can't hug. A vast majority of the human population does not conform to whatever our impossible idea of "normal" is, and yet somehow the Earth's population keeps growing. Sounds to me like a lot of people are finding ways to find love and live life. Saying somebody should not be loved because of a genetic condition is borderline hateful and at the very least hurtful. I understand that the actual character of Joker does not exist but I think the CONCEPT of defending a person's right to love is what's important.
Sorry for the heavy tone but my heart does a sad when trolls come around. :-(

[FlamingFlyingV]

Koji-san wrote...

Saying you can't romance somebody with osteogenesis imperfecta is like saying you can't romance somebody with asthma because of heavy breathing, or somebody missing an arm can't be in a relationship because they can't hug. A vast majority of the human population does not conform to whatever our impossible idea of "normal" is, and yet somehow the Earth's population keeps growing. Sounds to me like a lot of people are finding ways to find love and live life. Saying somebody should not be loved because of a genetic condition is borderline hateful and at the very least hurtful. I understand that the actual character of Joker does not exist but I think the CONCEPT of defending a person's right to love is what's important.
Sorry for the heavy tone but my heart does a sad when trolls come around. :-(

As I have said before on the other thread, I agree with Koji-san wholeheartedly. My best friend of twelve years is mostly deaf and has to have hearing aids or else she can barely hear you even if you're right next to her ears and because of that her speech is muffed. People have made comments to me about it, even some like "You can't get any friends, so you're friends with the deaf girl.". Our friendship has never been about that and it has never bothered me (We became friends in first grade because we both liked Sailor Moon XD).

Just because someone has a disability doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to be in a relationship or have friends like we can. Whether it be someone with brittle bones, or someone who can't really hear

[RynJ]

I hate that people think having a disease like Vroliks means you can't live your life or be with someone else. I'm guessing they've never known someone with a disability like that or they might be singing a different tune.

Anyways on Joker/EDI. I love EDI, I really do, but anyone starting a relationship with her besides Legion would be majorly creepy. She's not like a microwave or a computer, but she does not naturally feel like an organic person and she even says as much. I do think she's important to Joker, but not in a way that smacks of romantic intention. They have a symbiotic relationship and they support each other, hell Joker might even love her in a way as she is an extension of the Normandy.

You don't see Joker trying to hump the Normandy (though somehow that wouldn't surprise me).

I wouldn't mind an expansion of the Joker/EDI relationship and how they're learning to rely on each other but that doesn't have to get in the way of a Shep/Joker romance. I don't think they'll be giving EDI an organic body either, though a hot female body paired with that voice would be rather appealing. I think I'd rather have my Shepard hit that than Joker!

Oh, and completely off topic: Anderson. You guys were talking about him earlier and I just want to put my 2 cents in. Although this saddens me, I am convinced that Anderson is going to die in ME3, possibly to open up an ending where Shepard can be the human councilor.

Now that I've had my ramble here's a topic for discussion. How do you think the rest of the Normandy crew would react to learning that Shepard and Joker were together?

[chibievil]

Most would be happy for them, others would be jealous, the rest wouldn't care

[phantomdragoness]

Koji-san wrote...

Saying you can't romance somebody with osteogenesis imperfecta is like saying you can't romance somebody with asthma because of heavy breathing, or somebody missing an arm can't be in a relationship because they can't hug. A vast majority of the human population does not conform to whatever our impossible idea of "normal" is, and yet somehow the Earth's population keeps growing. Sounds to me like a lot of people are finding ways to find love and live life. Saying somebody should not be loved because of a genetic condition is borderline hateful and at the very least hurtful. I understand that the actual character of Joker does not exist but I think the CONCEPT of defending a person's right to love is what's important.
Sorry for the heavy tone but my heart does a sad when trolls come around. :-(

*hugs* I understand. And you're right, the concept behind Joker is what is important. To me, saying that you can't love Joker because he has vrolik's is akin to telling me I can't love because I have ADD. It's hardly as serious as vrolik's, but I have a point here. I can't focus well; having ADD is like sitting in a room full of TVs with their sound blarring, and you try to focus on one but another grabs your attention constantly. It sucks. If someone told me that I shouldn't love because I will  cheat on my loved one because I can't focus on them and them alone, then that is close-minded, and hurtful. Just because you're different, or have a problem or condition, it doesn't mean you don't deserve happiness. Joker, as a character, deserves love. Not just to prove that he can despite his condition, but because he's a good guy. He's snarky and scruffy, yes, but a good guy all around. If he was real, I'd snag him in a heartbeat (and I'm super shy). But since he's not, my (self-insert) Shep will suit him just fine. XD

But I'm going to stop responding to the trolls. I am ALSO tired of repeating myself. It's like Merrill saying stupid things. <_<

As for how the crew would react to a Shep/Joker relationship, I think they'd be surprised as heck. For one, Joker doesn't leave the cockpit much. Another, Shep was possibly with someone else or she never got with anybody, so the change would be surprising. Then the scuttlebutt would say how the hell they were going to "do it". I wonder if that would tick Joker off...

[Koji-san]

Ryn J wrote...

Oh, and completely off topic: Anderson. You guys were talking about him earlier and I just want to put my 2 cents in. Although this saddens me, I am convinced that Anderson is going to die in ME3, possibly to open up an ending where Shepard can be the human councilor.

If thishappens, I'm going back andmaking Udina councilor!!

[dreadpiratesnugglecakes]

No, even playing with a femshep I'd rather not see Joker as a romance option. I like there being some characters that can't be romanced; just leave them as associates or friends. I can see my shep kicking back having a beer with him but I think Joker would shy away from a relationship with his commander. Just my 2 cents..

[phantomdragoness]

Koji-san wrote...

Ryn J wrote...

Oh, and completely off topic: Anderson. You guys were talking about him earlier and I just want to put my 2 cents in. Although this saddens me, I am convinced that Anderson is going to die in ME3, possibly to open up an ending where Shepard can be the human councilor.

If thishappens, I'm going back andmaking Udina councilor!!

That would be the ONLY reason to make Udina councilor!

But I think whether or not...I get the feeling Anderson will die too.

[notshortonawsm]

Hey all, just popping in to support jokermance, kinda new to this >< so probly just lurk lol...to what Ryn J wrote, Udina as councilor

[Omega Torsk]

phantomdragoness wrote...

Koji-san wrote...

Ryn J wrote...

Oh, and completely off topic: Anderson. You guys were talking about him earlier and I just want to put my 2 cents in. Although this saddens me, I am convinced that Anderson is going to die in ME3, possibly to open up an ending where Shepard can be the human councilor.

If thishappens, I'm going back andmaking Udina councilor!!

That would be the ONLY reason to make Udina councilor!

But I think whether or not...I get the feeling Anderson will die too.

My reaction to this talk about Anderson dying...

But I have a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach that it just may happen... All I ask is that if it does happen, that Bioware write it well. Too many good characters have been killed off by their authors in the most "obligatory death is obligatory" ways possible. It'd be a shame that a character as awesome as Anderson would receive a lame death scene.

And, I'm sorry, Shepard as the human Councilor? If that's the case, my Shepard's first act as Councilor would be to strike Councilor Velarn repeatedly in the face with a blackjack, while shouting the phrase, "Ah, yes. 'Reapers,' the immortal race of sentient starships that spent the last few weeks obliterating my planet while you hid under your desk, sucking your thumb, and dismissing that claim. Well, I have dismissed them, now dismiss THIS, you tottering fen-sucked dewberry!!!"
But anyway, if anyone, I hope at least Admiral Hackett could be the replacement Councilor. Still not choosing Udina.

I would like my Shepard to live a long and happy life in retirement on Earth with Joker (Spacer Female)... or Ashley (Colonist Male)... or Liara (Spacer Male; Liara needs to ditch the "crazy information broker" persona, though. Go back to being the so-nerdy-she's-cute bookworm)... or Kaidan (Earthborn Female)...
Ah, who am I kidding? Joker being grounded on Earth? He'd go insane! Alrighty, he and my Femshep live a long and happy life in space on the Normandy! XD

Modifié par Omega Torsk, 22 juin 2011 - 08:23 .

[Sorrel]

EDI is a tool just as the keyboard and monitor you are looking at now is. Sometimes your keyboard and monitor allow you access to fun and interesting things that make you laugh or fascinated. It doesn't mean you want to strip down and rub yourself all over your LG Flatron, okay?
Man, whatever.


Anyways this is a notice to say Chapter 20 of 'Tiger By My Side' has been posted on FF.net, link in my signature. Thank you to everyone from here who has ever mentioned my story and those who enjoy it. Knowing you guys like the story even close to how much I enjoy writing it makes me smile!

This fic however is the literary equivalent in size of a screaming 300 foot tall lizard with spade-shaped spikes on its back at 60,000 words or something ridiculous. Thank you all for continuing to ask me to write more. I WILL DO. I will do, until the story is done.

Modifié par Sorrel, 22 juin 2011 - 09:18 .

[chibievil]

Maybe the reason why people like Edi is because the voice actress is Sexy, lols So they need Joker with a sexy voice.

Me i think Joker needs a Human like Shepard to keep him Cosy whilstthe reapers are attacking. Then he flies the Normandy to deal with the reapers hehe

[RhiPanda]

@Sorrel, great new chapter btw =D I'm already lookin forward to the next one heh. It's great you have a good knackfor getting the characters spot on.

[RhiPanda]

Ooh also,I don't have a on't have a twitter account:unsure: but I was thinking of making one to ask Casey Hudson if they are gonna release the LI's anytime soon:O

[Sorrel]

Thank you! I certainly try hard with my characterization. I'm terrified of having them be OOC, it's my biggest pet peeve in fics.

[Antivenger]

chibievil wrote...

Maybe the reason why people like Edi is because the voice actress is Sexy, lols So they need Joker with a sexy voice.

Me i think Joker needs a Human like Shepard to keep him Cosy whilstthe reapers are attacking. Then he flies the Normandy to deal with the reapers hehe

Not EDI, but I can certainly see Joker gettin' it on with a certain already-introduced non-Shepard character. For my Shepard who never romanced anyone for fear of hurting them by dying.

[Eliantariel]

dreadpiratesnugglecakes wrote...

No, even playing with a femshep I'd rather not see Joker as a romance option. I like there being some characters that can't be romanced; just leave them as associates or friends. I can see my shep kicking back having a beer with him but I think Joker would shy away from a relationship with his commander. Just my 2 cents..

You know all LIs are romance OPTIONS - this means no one is forced to romance a NPC. If you decide not to romance Joker but to stay friends than is this fine and I will certainly do so with some of my femsheps that romance Kaidan, Garrus or Thane.

But this is no argument against a Joker romance. If you don't like it - don't pursue it.

But there are many others who thinks that Joker is more than a friend for their Shepards regardless if male or female.

And you can be sure: there will be even with a Joker romance still many characters left that you cannot romance.

[SilentK]

On vacation and I got to borrow a computer for a little bit. Yay internets!

@FlamingFlyingV Great Joker-pic! New faw I would almost say!

@ Sorrel New Chapter!! Hurra! *doing a happy dance* something to look forward to when back to a reliable computer.

lol, I have apparently missed a few people coming by the Joker-romance-thread complaining. Gotta love all the "Stop liking something I don't like"-people =) *sigh* the joy that comes from seeing other people happy.... well, it's a good idea anyways. Hint hint, people here like him, quite a bit. If you don't, or if you simply don't want that particual romance, well. Don't flirt. That goes for all the mass effect romances =)

Agreeing with Wynne here =) continuing a growing friendship with EDI would be perfectly fine for Joker. But not dating, please let him be with someone that's alive at least. Pulse not optional. Oki, I would be dissapointed at a opportunity lost, since I really could picture him with my FemShep ( or MaleShep for that matter) but it would be better than that. Oki, scratch dissapointed.... I would be really really down, hopeless romantic is hopeless romantic =)       

Modifié par SilentK, 22 juin 2011 - 05:14 .

[AngelicMachinery]

phantomdragoness wrote...

@Wynne: OH! I gotcha now! *thumbs up*

As for the Joker and EDI scenario...

People, look at your computer/mac/whatever and think: do you want a relationship with it? The box of cold wires, data and God-knows what else you keep in there?

Loving EDI would be as unsatisfying as loving your computer. EDI is all about data and what her codes enable her to do. She picks on Joker because HER READINGS tell her that he works better under pressure; Joker wants to prove himself as a human being, not as that guy with the creaky legs. Seeing that the Normandy performs better when Joker is irked and determined, EDI continues pestering him. EDI also banters with Joker to keep him entertained. We all know he spends all of his time in the cockpit; he said himself he is not a people person. This could mean he is not very social, or he just does not like people in general. He was most likely targeted bullies and teasing as a kid because of his condition. People can hurt you, lie to you etc. because they gain some sort of emotional euphoria and gain from doing so. EDI is a safe "friend" because as a computer, she simply cannot do those things. She cannot comprehend emotions because her coding cannot include it. How do you simplify complicated, hormonal, biologicaly ingrained emotions into computer code? You can't. It's like - to quote Shiala - "explaining color to a creature without eyes." You can simulate emotions, but in the end no machine can comprehend the emotion of love - hence the name: Artificial Intelligence. Joker is sane enough to realize this, thankfully.

*sigh* Anyways, that's my argument.

Virgin Mary's Knickers, you don't realize how complicated humans are until you try to humanize an AI.

I can’t agree with this statement,  as soon as something becomes sentient they move beyond my computer or my microwave or car.  Edi is a thinking being now,  trying to bring her down to the level of a simple appliance is depressing to me.  She might not be a fleshy thing,  but,  she has all the component parts of a soul particularly after the locks on her systems have been removed. 

I think your stripping a lot away from her personality by suggesting that her “Reading” are somehow less than a human’s “Observations.”  She took notice of these traits in our favorite pilot and decided to keep him functioning at  his best.  If she were a mere machine she could not make these observations or even attempt to implement the processes required to keep joker sharp.  She would simply take implemented data and work with what she had,  but, without adaptive intelligence and a personality she would never be capable of actually applying any pressure to joker. 

As for being a “Safe friend” If our AI was so inclined she could be just as rude, vulgar, and hateful as the worst people but this goes against her personality the same way it goes against the personality of certain humans. 

The term artificial intelligence does not mean that the intelligence is fake. It means that it was created from an artificial source.  She may have programmed impulses but truth be told so do biological organisms.  One should not simply strip away the soul of a creature because it doesn’t correlate with what they find to be “alive.”  Our brains are computers of blood, flesh, chemicals and electricity we are not as far removed from an adaptable artificial organism. 

The Quarian’s did this to the geth,  and look what happened to them. 

While I do find the idea of  a sexual relationship preposterous one shouldn’t trash what is a true friendship just because one of the participants isn’t biological. 

[DevilYoko]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

I can’t agree with this statement,  as soon as something becomes sentient they move beyond my computer or my microwave or car.  Edi is a thinking being now,  trying to bring her down to the level of a simple appliance is depressing to me.  She might not be a fleshy thing,  but,  she has all the component parts of a soul particularly after the locks on her systems have been removed. 

I think your stripping a lot away from her personality by suggesting that her “Reading” are somehow less than a human’s “Observations.”  She took notice of these traits in our favorite pilot and decided to keep him functioning at  his best.  If she were a mere machine she could not make these observations or even attempt to implement the processes required to keep joker sharp.  She would simply take implemented data and work with what she had,  but, without adaptive intelligence and a personality she would never be capable of actually applying any pressure to joker. 

As for being a “Safe friend” If our AI was so inclined she could be just as rude, vulgar, and hateful as the worst people but this goes against her personality the same way it goes against the personality of certain humans. 

The term artificial intelligence does not mean that the intelligence is fake. It means that it was created from an artificial source.  She may have programmed impulses but truth be told so do biological organisms.  One should not simply strip away the soul of a creature because it doesn’t correlate with what they find to be “alive.”  Our brains are computers of blood, flesh, chemicals and electricity we are not as far removed from an adaptable artificial organism. 

The Quarian’s did this to the geth,  and look what happened to them. 

While I do find the idea of  a sexual relationship preposterous one shouldn’t trash what is a true friendship just because one of the participants isn’t biological. 

I will dissagre with this becouse:

1. She is all about mathematics so as geth so they can't have '"personality".
2. She was programmed to observe and cause the crew will act as expeditiously as possible.
3. She can't have a soul in our meaning.
4. She still a computer, bunch ow wires and hardware so she can't feel a thing.

EDIT: And I like EDI just the idea freaks me out...

Modifié par DevilYoko, 22 juin 2011 - 07:54 .

[Patchwork]

People ninja-posting about the EDI/Joker OTP thing is tiresome, although not as offensive as the only physically perfect people have sex argument, however I like EDI. I like that she could be the universe's second chance at artificial sentience. Her and Joker are funny and they seem to genuinely care for each other.

Do we really need to tear other characters down to build our ship up?

Modifié par Ser Bard, 22 juin 2011 - 07:53 .

[AngelicMachinery]

DevilYoko wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

I can’t agree with this statement,  as soon as something becomes sentient they move beyond my computer or my microwave or car.  Edi is a thinking being now,  trying to bring her down to the level of a simple appliance is depressing to me.  She might not be a fleshy thing,  but,  she has all the component parts of a soul particularly after the locks on her systems have been removed. 

I think your stripping a lot away from her personality by suggesting that her “Reading” are somehow less than a human’s “Observations.”  She took notice of these traits in our favorite pilot and decided to keep him functioning at  his best.  If she were a mere machine she could not make these observations or even attempt to implement the processes required to keep joker sharp.  She would simply take implemented data and work with what she had,  but, without adaptive intelligence and a personality she would never be capable of actually applying any pressure to joker. 

As for being a “Safe friend” If our AI was so inclined she could be just as rude, vulgar, and hateful as the worst people but this goes against her personality the same way it goes against the personality of certain humans. 

The term artificial intelligence does not mean that the intelligence is fake. It means that it was created from an artificial source.  She may have programmed impulses but truth be told so do biological organisms.  One should not simply strip away the soul of a creature because it doesn’t correlate with what they find to be “alive.”  Our brains are computers of blood, flesh, chemicals and electricity we are not as far removed from an adaptable artificial organism. 

The Quarian’s did this to the geth,  and look what happened to them. 

While I do find the idea of  a sexual relationship preposterous one shouldn’t trash what is a true friendship just because one of the participants isn’t biological. 

I will dissagre with this becouse:

1. She is all about mathematics so as geth so they can't have '"personality".
2. She was programmed to observe and cause the crew will act as expeditiously as possible.
3. She can't have a soul in our meaning.
4. She still a computer, bunch ow wires and hardware so she can't feel a thing.

1)  And we are all about different chemical's firing in our brains that make us doing certain things.
2)  We evolved to do what we do,  everything created has a purpose just because that purpose was decided by a scientist doesn't strip away one's individuality.
3)  Pure conjecture,  and focused to much on religious ideals.
4)  Also pure conjecture,  humans are just meat and bone.