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Quaay wrote...

I'm still irritated we didn't get Shep&Joker. Joker never seemed to care that much about the regs before. Ugh.

I only saw the scene but I got the impression he was just letting her down easy. I don't think Joker gives a flying **** about "regs". Remember when you had to talk him out of dying with the ship?

[HurricaneGinger]

SilentK wrote...

PhantomGinger wrote...

Yeah, it is a bit disheartening. I loved the scene where Joker and Shepard snapped at each other, when he admits that he's watching over Shepard. It shows that he cares underneath all those jokes. But that was the only real enlightening scene we got of our beloved snarky man. He is supportive of Shepard but...not in the way we expected. He's focused entirely on EDI, and it reduced his character IMO.

Of course you can tell that Shep and Joker are good friends in ME3, but we were expecting a few more heart to hearts maybe...even if he wasn't a romance, we wanted more time with our friend. But no...felt like my Shepard was a third wheel whenever she walked into the cockpit.

Well yes, it is more Joker+EDI-the duo than Joker. It was a interesting way of introducing synthetic life. We have EDI and Rannoch as major sources to investigate how our Shepard views synthetic life. If they didn't want to leave all of that for Rannoch, they would have to present it in some other way. And there she is, EDI, already onboard the Normandy and everything. So I can see why they did it. A romance between her and Joker get's gives her the opportunity to test out emotions and commitment. But yes, as you say Phantom, there are a few times that you are the 5:th wheel out in the cockpit. We have less Joker, but he get's quite a bit of screentime with Joker + EDI.

I play the game slowly, and has only had time for one FemShep so far. That PT is a bit hazy in my memory because it was so emotional for me, give me a few more PT:s and I'll be better at discussing Joker's role in ME3. Right now I don't have a good memory of his convos other than Thessia. But as far as romance with FemShep goes, that ship has probably sailed as far as see it. It is more put into the romance between Joker and EDI than FemShep and Thane. So, it would be some major things to change for it to work. It could still be done, just see it as unlikely. And I have come to appriciate EDI more as time goes by. Even her outfit. First I was very very irritated by it, but then I remembered Vega. I had no problems with Vega. How does that look, I'm ok with sexy male-pixles but not ok with sexy female-pixles. Was less impressed with myself at that point, prefer to think of myself as a openminded person. So, it's ok EDI, sass around the bridge, I'll just go down to the hangar and... walk around a bit   =)    wouldn't mind less camel-toe though.

I'm just not at a point where I can disuss him too well, because apparently my memory is filled with mothballs, no memory of convos. And I still change my mind about hings quite often. But all in all. I am happy that he plays such a big role in ME3. He got good screentime and is important to my Shepard.

True, introducing synthetic life as "life" was interesting and EDI was pretty much the poster girl. Which you know, kudos to her. I like EDI, I really do. Just Joker/EDI seemed like a cheap way out. We still could have romanced Joker and recieved the impact EDI was meant to give. (I think Legion gave a greater impact since he sacrificed himself, but that's just my opinion.)

I just don't get why they made us play as Joker in ME2 if his role was going to be reduced so much in the next game.

[Pappi]

I wanted to see Joker see EDI for the first time in her new body

[GameBoyish]

Did any of you participate in this?
http://social.biowar...dex/10853184/25

[SilentK]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

Quaay wrote...

I'm still irritated we didn't get Shep&Joker. Joker never seemed to care that much about the regs before. Ugh.

I only saw the scene but I got the impression he was just letting her down easy. I don't think Joker gives a flying **** about "regs". Remember when you had to talk him out of dying with the ship?

I got that feeling as well. Better than "It's not you, it's me" at least I guess.

TriviaAeducan wrote...

Did any of you participate in this?
http://social.biowar...dex/10853184/25

I did on behalf of Jacob, see it as so unlikely that they would do a romance-arc with Joker since there is such time spent on Joker+EDI. But if they did let us romance Joker I would be beyond glad   =)

PhantomGinger wrote...

True, introducing synthetic life as "life" was interesting and EDI was pretty much the poster girl. Which you know, kudos to her. I like EDI, I really do. Just Joker/EDI seemed like a cheap way out. We still could have romanced Joker and recieved the impact EDI was meant to give. (I think Legion gave a greater impact since he sacrificed himself, but that's just my opinion.)

I just don't get why they made us play as Joker in ME2 if his role was going to be reduced so much in the next game. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie]

Well yes, I fully agree that we could have romanced Joker and still have explored synthetic life with EDI. Talking to your LI and discussing how he sees one of his best friends. That could have been interesting. Would have been so happy to romance Joker with a FemShep or two, oh well.

Pretty much straight away you can see a difference in this game as compared to the previous ones when it comes to Joker.

ME: starts with Joker and Kaidan in the cockpit. We see his snarky humor. Great!
ME2: start with saving his life, and then after returning to life you both greet the new Normandy. Great scenes!
ME3: I have done Mars and currently in the citadel. 2 hrs into the game and still not a signle scene with Joker


Don't remember the first convo with Joker in ME3, but I'm guessing that there will be less Joker and more EDI+Joker. Yeah, think I'll be able to discuss Joker much better after this FemShep.

And speaking of a new play though with a new FemShep. The current one doesn't have Wrex, and I don't know  if I trust Wreav. So I might just have to stop the curing of the genophage.... oh Mordin, I'm so so sorry....

edit: 
Back on the Normandy now, first mention of Joker was during discussion with Traynor. EDI jumps in,  tells us that Joker asked her to pretend to be a simple AI for saftey. And there is a letter with my N7-hoodie. It's a gift from EDI, since Joker suggested that a welcoming gift would be a good idea. EDI+Joker it is.

Modifié par SilentK, 09 avril 2012 - 12:51 .

[HurricaneGinger]

SilentK wrote...

Pretty much straight away you can see a difference in this game as compared to the previous ones when it comes to Joker.

ME: starts with Joker and Kaidan in the cockpit. We see his snarky humor. Great!
ME2: start with saving his life, and then after returning to life you both greet the new Normandy. Great scenes!
ME3: I have done Mars and currently in the citadel. 2 hrs into the game and still not a signle scene with Joker


Don't remember the first convo with Joker in ME3, but I'm guessing that there will be less Joker and more EDI+Joker. Yeah, think I'll be able to discuss Joker much better after this FemShep.

And speaking of a new play though with a new FemShep. The current one doesn't have Wrex, and I don't know  if I trust Wreav. So I might just have to stop the curing of the genophage.... oh Mordin, I'm so so sorry....

edit: 
Back on the Normandy now, first mention of Joker was during discussion with Traynor. EDI jumps in,  tells us that Joker asked her to pretend to be a simple AI for saftey. And there is a letter with my N7-hoodie. It's a gift from EDI, since Joker suggested that a welcoming gift would be a good idea. EDI+Joker it is.

I don't trust Wreav either. You can convince Mordin not to cure the genophage and he'd be "okay" with it. Disappointed, but he sees Shepard's logic and he fakes his own death so the krogan don't come after him. Wreav never figures out about the genophage. It can only happen with Wreav though, Wrex always finds out and you'll always have to kill him as well as Mordin.

But yes. Reduced Joker role =

He was pretty much used to prove that synthetics can have "deep and meaningful" relationships. Which I still don't understand. I suppose I can understand synthetics having free will and preferences according to their programing as EDI said, but it's still programing and code. Unless you choose Synthesis at the end, I don't see it being organic. It's all very confusing to me.


EDIT: Oh, and I didn't have the choice to dislike/distrust EDI! BioWare made you be friends with her, which was awkward since one of my Shepards hated EDI - she hated synthetics period thanks to the geth. Then all the sudden she and EDI are BFFs? <_<

Modifié par PhantomGinger, 09 avril 2012 - 01:43 .

[PsyrenY]

PhantomGinger wrote...

EDIT: Oh, and I didn't have the choice to dislike/distrust EDI! BioWare made you be friends with her, which was awkward since one of my Shepards hated EDI - she hated synthetics period thanks to the geth. Then all the sudden she and EDI are BFFs? <_<

EDI saved your life multiple times. Have a heart.

[DragonWyrd]

TriviaAeducan wrote...

Did any of you participate in this?
http://social.biowar...dex/10853184/25

I didn't even know about it or I would have participated.  Eh well.

[Alexander Riker]

You are have Joker's cap SR2? Yes? So add it to the owner of Club SR2 Joker Cap
Url: http://social.bioware.com/group/7229/

[Alexander Riker]

Hey everyone, I found a cool thing. Get Joker on your Shepard´s desk.
http://social.biowar...v=gallery#files

[Alexander Riker]

So, you know something new about the Joker?

WOW! Great picture! By:  Blacklight-District
 

Modifié par Alexander Riker, 21 avril 2012 - 07:43 .

[viggorrah]

Oh hai dere, Joker thread. I haven't posted on the BSN in almost two weeks I think... *awkward silence* Oh look, Ryan and Joker! (excuse the quality)



I loves dat scene.

Modifié par viggorrah, 24 avril 2012 - 03:40 .

[Alexander Riker]

So I sat down and started drawing. And this came out of it. I think I quite managed it.

[pprrff]

so wait, joker fans are against EDI pairing? I never had the heart to break those two off, this is EDI's first love. If I had to option I'd have my Shepard go for EDI at least once.

Modifié par pprrff, 24 avril 2012 - 05:00 .

[Alexander Riker]

pprrff wrote...

so wait, joker fans are against EDI pairing? I never had the heart to break those two off, this is EDI's first love. If I had to option I'd have my Shepard go for EDI at least once.

I'd say they are against the Joker and EDI romance.

[Dannycni]

pprrff wrote...

so wait, joker fans are against EDI pairing? I never had the heart to break those two off, this is EDI's first love. If I had to option I'd have my Shepard go for EDI at least once.

Same here

[viggorrah]

pprrff wrote...

so wait, joker fans are against EDI pairing? I never had the heart to break those two off, this is EDI's first love. If I had to option I'd have my Shepard go for EDI at least once.

A lot of us are against the pairing, yes. We wanted the Shepard/Joker pairing, but they decided to ignore us.

And just for clarification, I've got absolutely nothing against EDI, or people who like the EDI/Joker pairing. This is the Joker thread, so all fans of Joker are welcome, regardless of pairing preference.

[HurricaneGinger]

Optimystic_X wrote...

PhantomGinger wrote...

EDIT: Oh, and I didn't have the choice to dislike/distrust EDI! BioWare made you be friends with her, which was awkward since one of my Shepards hated EDI - she hated synthetics period thanks to the geth. Then all the sudden she and EDI are BFFs? <_<

EDI saved your life multiple times. Have a heart.

Kinda wish people would stop doing this...Just because ONE of my Shepards doesn't like EDI, it doesn't mean the rest of them do. It doesn't mean I do. It's called role playing. It's also called choice: BioWare didn't give us the choice to like or dislike EDI. That's all I'm saying. And don't say I don't have a heart - don't you dare.

Modifié par PhantomGinger, 25 avril 2012 - 01:46 .

[CDRSkyShepard]

Dannycni wrote...

pprrff wrote...

so wait, joker fans are against EDI pairing? I never had the heart to break those two off, this is EDI's first love. If I had to option I'd have my Shepard go for EDI at least once.

Same here

Yeah...we have been for a loooong time. We've wanted a Shepard/Joker pairing since ME1 came out in 2007, before EDI's time. I don't know what's in the OP now, but our OP stated for a long time that we were against Joker/EDI. This was a "Joker for LI" thread, now it's just a Joker fan thread. So yeah, you get a lot of people in here who were vehemently against a pairing with a being he referred to as "ship cancer" in ME2.

I have no problem telling Joker to knock it off, because he is just darn creepy around EDI. I swear he got a personality change in between 2 and 3. He's out of character a lot. He and EDI were kinda buddy buddy at the end of ME2, and he explicitly told Shep not to worry and not go all "unnatural" on him. The friendship always seemed very platonic to me, if very humorous...so the fact that Joker is suddenly all interested was very jarring and didn't fit.

Edit: I checked the OP, it's still the same as it was many months ago before anyone even knew EDI would get a body.

Modifié par CDRSkyShepard, 25 avril 2012 - 03:11 .

[SilentK]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Yeah...we have been for a loooong time. We've wanted a Shepard/Joker pairing since ME1 came out in 2007, before EDI's time. I don't know what's in the OP now, but our OP stated for a long time that we were against Joker/EDI. This was a "Joker for LI" thread, now it's just a Joker fan thread. So yeah, you get a lot of people in here who were vehemently against a pairing with a being he referred to as "ship cancer" in ME2.

I have no problem telling Joker to knock it off, because he is just darn creepy around EDI. I swear he got a personality change in between 2 and 3. He's out of character a lot. He and EDI were kinda buddy buddy at the end of ME2, and he explicitly told Shep not to worry and not go all "unnatural" on him. The friendship always seemed very platonic to me, if very humorous...so the fact that Joker is suddenly all interested was very jarring and didn't fit.

Edit: I checked the OP, it's still the same as it was many months ago before anyone even knew EDI would get a body.

I agree, in the first half of the game a lot of the things that Joker says concerns EDI. When he looks at something it is at her. When you meet him at the Citadel near the cafe he talks about EDI, a little about blasto. He has a one pretty fun convo but after that he just sits silently on the bench, observing her. Meanwhile you can come back and talk to EDI more than once at that point. And there are plenty more of these convos. He got too big a dose of Petaa from hungergames for me. Guess that he is supposed to shows us that EDI can invoke romantic feelings. But it is all the time, and it's a little too much. Get a bit of creepy feelings from it. Like how he asked Mordin for sex-advice before Rannoch. That was way to early for me, EDI just got her own body. Hmm... it was a little too much lust and too little of "sweet love" for me perhaps? I adore Fenris+Isabella and Carver+Merrill. But this just doesn't give me the same feelings. But that's just me.

As far as the OP goes, I don't know what to put in there. Haven't got a clear pic of Joker yet, he has the the EDI-covos but some really great moments going into the Geth dreadnaught or Thessia.

What do you guys want in the OP? I simply have the first post, but the thread is for everyone that likes Joker.

[aedsu]

Yeah I mean, I get what everyone is trying to say and I agree completely. Personally I am against the fact that most EDI/Joker shippers can kind of get a little disagreeable around Joker/Shepard shippers? Not all of them, but the biggest argument is that Joker deserves her, or EDI is his one true love, that they're meant to be, that breaking them up is just 'wrong' and we're wrong by proxy for splitting them up. And by splitting them up we're ruining EDI's chances for growth when she has PLENTY of character growth outside of Joker.

And Joker does get a bit creepy around Eva Core's body when EDI puts it to use, but I never got the 'overly creepy' vibe, just Joker being Joker.

I love Joker to death as a character and one day I'll maybe see the highlights of the EDI/Joker pairing but right now I just can't.
He and Shepard went through so much through all 3 games, I would have loved to see that potentially volatile relationship blow to pieces as a result of all that. Especially playing as a female shepard, since our choices are so screwed over. D:

And you know, having him shoot you down in Purgatory like that, that did kind of hurt lmfao.

[HurricaneGinger]

SilentK wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Yeah...we have been for a loooong time. We've wanted a Shepard/Joker pairing since ME1 came out in 2007, before EDI's time. I don't know what's in the OP now, but our OP stated for a long time that we were against Joker/EDI. This was a "Joker for LI" thread, now it's just a Joker fan thread. So yeah, you get a lot of people in here who were vehemently against a pairing with a being he referred to as "ship cancer" in ME2.

I have no problem telling Joker to knock it off, because he is just darn creepy around EDI. I swear he got a personality change in between 2 and 3. He's out of character a lot. He and EDI were kinda buddy buddy at the end of ME2, and he explicitly told Shep not to worry and not go all "unnatural" on him. The friendship always seemed very platonic to me, if very humorous...so the fact that Joker is suddenly all interested was very jarring and didn't fit.

Edit: I checked the OP, it's still the same as it was many months ago before anyone even knew EDI would get a body.

I agree, in the first half of the game a lot of the things that Joker says concerns EDI. When he looks at something it is at her. When you meet him at the Citadel near the cafe he talks about EDI, a little about blasto. He has a one pretty fun convo but after that he just sits silently on the bench, observing her. Meanwhile you can come back and talk to EDI more than once at that point. And there are plenty more of these convos. He got too big a dose of Petaa from hungergames for me. Guess that he is supposed to shows us that EDI can invoke romantic feelings. But it is all the time, and it's a little too much. Get a bit of creepy feelings from it. Like how he asked Mordin for sex-advice before Rannoch. That was way to early for me, EDI just got her own body. Hmm... it was a little too much lust and too little of "sweet love" for me perhaps? I adore Fenris+Isabella and Carver+Merrill. But this just doesn't give me the same feelings. But that's just me.

As far as the OP goes, I don't know what to put in there. Haven't got a clear pic of Joker yet, he has the the EDI-covos but some really great moments going into the Geth dreadnaught or Thessia.

What do you guys want in the OP? I simply have the first post, but the thread is for everyone that likes Joker.

That was...creepy. Seriously, what was BioWare thinking? That it would be cute? Romantic even? That's just not...it didn't work. UGH.

Anyway. As for the OP: since I have a new laptop and just now downloaded Word, I can help with that if you so desire.

Actually, question: should we keep one part of the OP dedicated to the romance we desired, or should we just go for a full friendly support for the man himself?

[SilentK]

PhantomGinger wrote...

SilentK wrote...

I agree, in the first half of the game a lot of the things that Joker says concerns EDI. When he looks at something it is at her. When you meet him at the Citadel near the cafe he talks about EDI, a little about blasto. He has a one pretty fun convo but after that he just sits silently on the bench, observing her. Meanwhile you can come back and talk to EDI more than once at that point. And there are plenty more of these convos. He got too big a dose of Petaa from hungergames for me. Guess that he is supposed to shows us that EDI can invoke romantic feelings. But it is all the time, and it's a little too much. Get a bit of creepy feelings from it. Like how he asked Mordin for sex-advice before Rannoch. That was way to early for me, EDI just got her own body. Hmm... it was a little too much lust and too little of "sweet love" for me perhaps? I adore Fenris+Isabella and Carver+Merrill. But this just doesn't give me the same feelings. But that's just me.

As far as the OP goes, I don't know what to put in there. Haven't got a clear pic of Joker yet, he has the the EDI-covos but some really great moments going into the Geth dreadnaught or Thessia.

What do you guys want in the OP? I simply have the first post, but the thread is for everyone that likes Joker.

That was...creepy. Seriously, what was BioWare thinking? That it would be cute? Romantic even? That's just not...it didn't work. UGH.

Anyway. As for the OP: since I have a new laptop and just now downloaded Word, I can help with that if you so desire.

Actually, question: should we keep one part of the OP dedicated to the romance we desired, or should we just go for a full friendly support for the man himself?

A 1000 internet-cookies for you if you feel like helping out Phantom   =)   I really don't have your way with words. Also one of the reasons why I didn't want to poke around with the OP, any tampering from my side would most likely not be an improvement.

Hmm... and as for the question how we want the OP to be, some mention of our crushed hopes for romance with Joker or full out friendly support. I really don't know at the moment. I would still very much want one, but feels as if that ship has sailed and there is nothing we can do about it. Emphasis on the friendly stuff but a honorable mention of the hopes for romance perhaps?

[aedsu]

I agree with the mention of still desiring some form of idk, romantic encounter. Though saying in the OP that the thread itself has 'given up' or that the ship has sailed indefinitely, it doesn't really give a positive image? I don't know how else to say it, but it sounds incredibly negative. :U

But mentioning that OP still has hope or supports various ships outside of EDI/Joker as well as discussion?

[SilentK]

aedsu wrote...

I agree with the mention of still desiring some form of idk, romantic encounter. Though saying in the OP that the thread itself has 'given up' or that the ship has sailed indefinitely, it doesn't really give a positive image? I don't know how else to say it, but it sounds incredibly negative. :U

But mentioning that OP still has hope or supports various ships outside of EDI/Joker as well as discussion?

Ahh... I was perhaps a little unclear, sorry about that. I still think that it is something you can discuss, and hope for. There are a lot of people here, and on DeviantArt who hoped for a romance between Joker and Shepard so the OP should perhaps reflect that. But also, in this, the last game it is not available. Not that the message from the OP should be that there is no hope. Rather that it reflects the current situation, we have an amazing guy. Some of us wished for more with him, we don't have any romantic content with him and perhaps we never will, but he's still amazing. Ehh...does that sound better. This is exactly why I shouldnt' go anyway near the OP, lol.