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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 26 juin 2011 - 06:13 .

[TomY90]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Yes, different angles do that unfortunately.  Hoping this gets fixed in ME3.

I'm not insulting Miri or calling her ugly. Miri is Beautiful. But would BioWare have the ability to make her Look 100% Like Yvonne, and possibly fix Light and Shadow effects? What is your Opinion on this?

that is nothing to do with the character design that is just the lighting set up they went for in ME2 which they did say they wanted a much darker feel to it which that does primarily involve the changing of the shadow and lighting effects to make them naturally darker.

If you are wanting to see how they have resolved this look at ME2 PS3 edition games they have even better graphics thanks to having the ME3 graphics system installed onto the game which does reduce the shadows from and makes the colours more clearly defined from what I can tell.

I believe IGN have a comparison of it on the Mass Effect 2 PS3 review not sure but remember seeing a comparison which involved the CIC and talking to jacob during the 1st mission 

[ZeroCrewX]

@Vertigo_1 Yeah you could be right there, hmmm that actually makes a lot of sense if you think about it o_O

[_FLANDERS]

good ideal in the is is not fan of who she works for.

[Repearized Miranda]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...
Can you post the link?
I've read from the start as others have. I would have picked up on that.

He's referring to this:

He said Miranda is against everything her father stands for, and I called that an oversimplification. Asked whether I consider him simplistic, I said I considered his statement simplistic. I also called him out on the utter clichè of his statement that he wants Miranda's enemies to tremble at her feet before she kills them. I stand by my answers.

IA! Is it love or obsession though? I'm not saying that to be mean to him or anyone who are fans of the other characters. However, I find how one word can go so far from one end of the spectrum to the other.

Fan is short for fanatic; however, most would say that is not the same thing as does called someone fanatical. He's a fan Miri, but even fans take things too far sometimes. And you also have to consider how views differ. I wouldn't say he's wrong out right to view Miranda simplistically, because in his defense, that's the only way we've seen her - despite knowing she's more than that. (Like dating someone. I think she's concrete because that's all she's displayed, It'd be the same if she was abstract. I'd never imagine her to be concrete if she never shows it. In fact, you get that "unbelievable" statement when it is seen)

So, yeah, his over-simplification is understandable. If they'd flesh Miranda out more, his opinion may change.

Another example would be Garrus. He's pretty much the same guy from ME (hard "callabritive" vigilante), but flesh him out more, we might see that there's more to him than that. Jack, hiding behind her anger - though seeing Cerberus and Miri doesn't help - I don't think she's always this angry biotic.

However, I did see that "returning character" problem as in they become stagnate or pigeon-holed (Garrus again). Yet, they can and hopefully will flesh out these characters more. We know they're complex individuals, so show is that.

Having said all of this, I believe the poster being discuss is taking things a little too seriously! Yes, love Miri, but know there's nothing wrong with a difference of opinion given by those who also like/love her. Not to mention that people need to think before they post - even if the person it's directed towards has uber-thick skin.

[Rawke]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

ZeroCrewX wrote...
It's not the angles per se, its the modeler who did her head. Tho I think it's intentional they did want her to look not as identical to Yvonne, though I would love it if she did.

My thoughts on this are that Yvonnes head wouldn't match with an 'endowed' body...so they modified it.
Might be wrong but that's the only thing I can come up with.

Her (Miranda) body's not THAT far away from the original. I mean, put Yvonne in a catsuit and...well, you get the picture. Miranda's proportions are as feminine as it gets, but Yvonne isn't exactly flatchested or shaped androgynous either.

[Ieldra]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

jtav wrote...

Speaking of her father, it would be kind of neat for her father to deliver a Hannibal Lecture about how she's truly become his daughter after all (ruthlessness, pro-human, Lazarus) and she gets a Shut Up Hannibal.

You know... if Cerberus are indoctrinated in ME3 it brings up a reall cool plot twist regarding Miranda and her Father too

Ugh...I don't know what you're getting at, but we already have "indoctrinated Miranda" on our "things to avoid" list. Should she initially be an antagonist (she won't stay that way I'm sure), she should be one from her own will or because of being blackmailed by Cerberus with Oriana.

[ViSeiRa]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Speaking of her father, it would be kind of neat for her father to deliver a Hannibal Lecture about how she's truly become his daughter after all (ruthlessness, pro-human, Lazarus) and she gets a Shut Up Hannibal.

I had to look those up, but yes, that would be nice.

BTW, one her most badass lines is when she kills Niket: "I'm going to miss you.....figuratively speaking".

Killing Niket is one of the paragon interrupts that I can't bring myself to do... in this mission I always take it that Miranda is the team leader, she made a decision to kill Niket and I never interfere with it, it further adds to her character, she can make the hard calls and follow through with them.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Like I said James Cameron could help with 100% modeling perfection. lol small joke. 

I'm not bashing Beautiful Miri, just to point that out.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 26 juin 2011 - 06:13 .

[Ieldra]

ViSeirA wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Speaking of her father, it would be kind of neat for her father to deliver a Hannibal Lecture about how she's truly become his daughter after all (ruthlessness, pro-human, Lazarus) and she gets a Shut Up Hannibal.

I had to look those up, but yes, that would be nice.

BTW, one her most badass lines is when she kills Niket: "I'm going to miss you.....figuratively speaking".

Killing Niket is one of the paragon interrupts that I can't bring myself to do... in this mission I always take it that Miranda is the team leader, she made a decision to kill Niket and I never interfere with it, it further adds to her character, she can make the hard calls and follow through with them.

Yes, me too, and for the same reasons. Also Shepard's reasoning for letting Niket go is 100% dumb - as if Miranda would ever trust him again to help after this betrayal. I have one game where I used that interrupt to see if there is any effect in ME3, but I doubt it. Niket ends up dead anyway, and I doubt the savegame will record how he died. 

I always make her speak to Oriana, though. I get the feeling that it's what she wants.

[Vertigo_1]

Rawke wrote...
Her (Miranda) body's not THAT far away from the original. I mean, put Yvonne in a catsuit and...well, you get the picture. Miranda's proportions are as feminine as it gets, but Yvonne isn't exactly flatchested or shaped androgynous either.

I know, what I'm saying is that she doesn't have Miranda's proportions and it would look odd with an exact head copy of Yvonne's head.

Another thought could be that her face was hard to work with and they had to make adjustments?  We aren't talking about the latest face modeling tech here either.

This is all speculation, Bioware won't say anything on that.
This discussion is starting to sound a little strange to me though...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 26 juin 2011 - 06:20 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Vertigo_1 wrote...



I know, what I'm saying is that she doesn't have Miranda's proportions and it would look odd with an exact head copy of Yvonne's head.

Another thought could be that her face was hard to work with and they had to make adjustments?  We aren't talking about the latest face modeling tech here either.

This is all speculation, Bioware won't say anything on that.
This discussion is starting to sound a little strange to me though...

If only they can show us AT LEAST a screenshot.

[Rawke]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Rawke wrote...
Her (Miranda) body's not THAT far away from the original. I mean, put Yvonne in a catsuit and...well, you get the picture. Miranda's proportions are as feminine as it gets, but Yvonne isn't exactly flatchested or shaped androgynous either.

I know, what I'm saying is that she doesn't have Miranda's proportions and it would look odd with an exact head copy of Yvonne's head.

Another thought could be that her face was hard to work with and they had to make adjustments?  We aren't talking about the latest face modeling tech here either.

This is all speculation, Bioware won't say anything on that.
This discussion is starting to sound a little strange to me though...

Possible. I guess somethign would seem "off" if you don't do a full body mdel of her. I'm okay with her current face model though, the only thing that's annoying me personally is the light/shadow issue that makes a lof of unique face models in ME2 look sutpid.

[ViSeiRa]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...
Can you post the link?
I've read from the start as others have. I would have picked up on that.

He's referring to this:

He said Miranda is against everything her father stands for, and I called that an oversimplification. Asked whether I consider him simplistic, I said I considered his statement simplistic. I also called him out on the utter clichè of his statement that he wants Miranda's enemies to tremble at her feet before she kills them. I stand by my answers.

IA! Is it love or obsession though? I'm not saying that to be mean to him or anyone who are fans of the other characters. However, I find how one word can go so far from one end of the spectrum to the other.

Fan is short for fanatic; however, most would say that is not the same thing as does called someone fanatical. He's a fan Miri, but even fans take things too far sometimes. And you also have to consider how views differ. I wouldn't say he's wrong out right to view Miranda simplistically, because in his defense, that's the only way we've seen her - despite knowing she's more than that. (Like dating someone. I think she's concrete because that's all she's displayed, It'd be the same if she was abstract. I'd never imagine her to be concrete if she never shows it. In fact, you get that "unbelievable" statement when it is seen)

So, yeah, his over-simplification is understandable. If they'd flesh Miranda out more, his opinion may change.

Another example would be Garrus. He's pretty much the same guy from ME (hard "callabritive" vigilante), but flesh him out more, we might see that there's more to him than that. Jack, hiding behind her anger - though seeing Cerberus and Miri doesn't help - I don't think she's always this angry biotic.

However, I did see that "returning character" problem as in they become stagnate or pigeon-holed (Garrus again). Yet, they can and hopefully will flesh out these characters more. We know they're complex individuals, so show is that.

Having said all of this, I believe the poster being discuss is taking things a little too seriously! Yes, love Miri, but know there's nothing wrong with a difference of opinion given by those who also like/love her. Not to mention that people need to think before they post - even if the person it's directed towards has uber-thick skin.

I might be inclined to agree if the writers' didn't push the fans to think of Miri in a certain way, in that case the pro-human no bull**** person who gets things done but who still has a line she won't cross, in the light they painted her she was more or less a more humane picture of her father, and that's based on the faint information we have on him, it's not so hard to glean that if Miranda wasn't actually created by her father (but by someone else) she'd have ended up with Cerberus anyway, the same organization her father backs, they could even work together till she finds out how far he's willing to go just as she found out about the illusive man.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

damn we are discussing two things at once.

We saw other characters. Why can't they show us Miri already?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 26 juin 2011 - 06:25 .

[ViSeiRa]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Speaking of her father, it would be kind of neat for her father to deliver a Hannibal Lecture about how she's truly become his daughter after all (ruthlessness, pro-human, Lazarus) and she gets a Shut Up Hannibal.

I had to look those up, but yes, that would be nice.

BTW, one her most badass lines is when she kills Niket: "I'm going to miss you.....figuratively speaking".

Killing Niket is one of the paragon interrupts that I can't bring myself to do... in this mission I always take it that Miranda is the team leader, she made a decision to kill Niket and I never interfere with it, it further adds to her character, she can make the hard calls and follow through with them.

Yes, me too, and for the same reasons. Also Shepard's reasoning for letting Niket go is 100% dumb - as if Miranda would ever trust him again to help after this betrayal. I have one game where I used that interrupt to see if there is any effect in ME3, but I doubt it. Niket ends up dead anyway, and I doubt the savegame will record how he died. 

I always make her speak to Oriana, though. I get the feeling that it's what she wants.

And even talking to her sister isn't a forced event like the interrupt, it was more of a suggestion and if she hasn't already considered it she wouldn't have done it... though I guess that said decision is gonna bring her more trouble in ME3, we saw how the shadow broker already knows about her and Oriana, and even though Liara is now the shadow broker there's no telling who he told about the info before he died... I rarely make her leave without talking to Oriana but I I reckon it'll bring us more trouble in ME3.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Where is EVERYONE else all of a sudden?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 26 juin 2011 - 06:32 .

[Rawke]

ViSeirA wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Speaking of her father, it would be kind of neat for her father to deliver a Hannibal Lecture about how she's truly become his daughter after all (ruthlessness, pro-human, Lazarus) and she gets a Shut Up Hannibal.

I had to look those up, but yes, that would be nice.

BTW, one her most badass lines is when she kills Niket: "I'm going to miss you.....figuratively speaking".

Killing Niket is one of the paragon interrupts that I can't bring myself to do... in this mission I always take it that Miranda is the team leader, she made a decision to kill Niket and I never interfere with it, it further adds to her character, she can make the hard calls and follow through with them.

Yes, me too, and for the same reasons. Also Shepard's reasoning for letting Niket go is 100% dumb - as if Miranda would ever trust him again to help after this betrayal. I have one game where I used that interrupt to see if there is any effect in ME3, but I doubt it. Niket ends up dead anyway, and I doubt the savegame will record how he died. 

I always make her speak to Oriana, though. I get the feeling that it's what she wants.

And even talking to her sister isn't a forced event like the interrupt, it was more of a suggestion and if she hasn't already considered it she wouldn't have done it... though I guess that said decision is gonna bring her more trouble in ME3, we saw how the shadow broker already knows about her and Oriana, and even though Liara is now the shadow broker there's no telling who he told about the info before he died... I rarely make her leave without talking to Oriana but I I reckon it'll bring us more trouble in ME3.

Not to mention Cerberus knows about Oriana anyway and will use that against her if necessary. Whether the Shadow Broker sold that info already is pretty irrelevant, unless her father bought that information - in which case he wouldn't have needed to buy Niket.

[Repearized Miranda]

ViSeirA wrote...

Repearized Miranda wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...
Can you post the link?
I've read from the start as others have. I would have picked up on that.

He's referring to this:

He said Miranda is against everything her father stands for, and I called that an oversimplification. Asked whether I consider him simplistic, I said I considered his statement simplistic. I also called him out on the utter clichè of his statement that he wants Miranda's enemies to tremble at her feet before she kills them. I stand by my answers.

IA! Is it love or obsession though? I'm not saying that to be mean to him or anyone who are fans of the other characters. However, I find how one word can go so far from one end of the spectrum to the other.

Fan is short for fanatic; however, most would say that is not the same thing as does called someone fanatical. He's a fan Miri, but even fans take things too far sometimes. And you also have to consider how views differ. I wouldn't say he's wrong out right to view Miranda simplistically, because in his defense, that's the only way we've seen her - despite knowing she's more than that. (Like dating someone. I think she's concrete because that's all she's displayed, It'd be the same if she was abstract. I'd never imagine her to be concrete if she never shows it. In fact, you get that "unbelievable" statement when it is seen)

So, yeah, his over-simplification is understandable. If they'd flesh Miranda out more, his opinion may change.

Another example would be Garrus. He's pretty much the same guy from ME (hard "callabritive" vigilante), but flesh him out more, we might see that there's more to him than that. Jack, hiding behind her anger - though seeing Cerberus and Miri doesn't help - I don't think she's always this angry biotic.

However, I did see that "returning character" problem as in they become stagnate or pigeon-holed (Garrus again). Yet, they can and hopefully will flesh out these characters more. We know they're complex individuals, so show is that.

Having said all of this, I believe the poster being discuss is taking things a little too seriously! Yes, love Miri, but know there's nothing wrong with a difference of opinion given by those who also like/love her. Not to mention that people need to think before they post - even if the person it's directed towards has uber-thick skin.

I might be inclined to agree if the writers' didn't push the fans to think of Miri in a certain way, in that case the pro-human no bull**** person who gets things done but who still has a line she won't cross, in the light they painted her she was more or less a more humane picture of her father, and that's based on the faint information we have on him, it's not so hard to glean that if Miranda wasn't actually created by her father (but by someone else) she'd have ended up with Cerberus anyway, the same organization her father backs, they could even work together till she finds out how far he's willing to go just as she found out about the illusive man.

Again, flesh her out more! Let us know in more detail why she is who and like she is and by not just using the "She's like her father" excuse and yeah, I totally get what you're saying, too. It's the unknown variables that are the problem - that can be said for just about every character. As much as I'd like a "Character-Story," there's still a game to play - a galaxy )Earth) to save. (Btw, people are complaining about how she only changed her mind regarding TIM - defending it with bad writing of course)

[jtav]

Not that they'd ever do this, but I have a reputation to keep up.

If you had to choose between Miranda having a large role in ME3 and her having a relationship with Oriana, which would you choose?

[Melra]

The large role, the loyalty mission didn't leave me wanting that much more. I wouldn't mind her being around, but I don't miss her as long as it can be thought that ''she's there somewhere''.

Modifié par Melrache, 26 juin 2011 - 06:43 .

[Rawke]

jtav wrote...

Not that they'd ever do this, but I have a reputation to keep up.

If you had to choose between Miranda having a large role in ME3 and her having a relationship with Oriana, which would you choose?

You just like to be the devil's advocate, don't you?

Frankly, I don't see how one is possible without the other, at least if it's supposed to be an advancement in terms of character developement. I want her to have a large role in ME3, but I wouldn't want it at the price of losing an integral part of her character developement process. Then again, this may be an option for people who didn't tell her to talk to Oriana (did anybody do that BTW?).

Modifié par Rawke, 26 juin 2011 - 06:43 .

[ViSeiRa]

Rawke wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

And even talking to her sister isn't a forced event like the interrupt, it was more of a suggestion and if she hasn't already considered it she wouldn't have done it... though I guess that said decision is gonna bring her more trouble in ME3, we saw how the shadow broker already knows about her and Oriana, and even though Liara is now the shadow broker there's no telling who he told about the info before he died... I rarely make her leave without talking to Oriana but I I reckon it'll bring us more trouble in ME3.

Not to mention Cerberus knows about Oriana anyway and will use that against her if necessary. Whether the Shadow Broker sold that info already is pretty irrelevant, unless her father bought that information - in which case he wouldn't have needed to buy Niket.

He couldn't have bought that information before the Niket incident, so the two are related but not intertwined... Miranda thinks her conversations with Oriana are secure but they're not, also something Niket said about Miri's father not knowing anything about Oriana because she has spy programs in his system doesn't add up to the fact that he send Eclipse mercs to extract her, Cerberus is gonna use Oriana against Miranda there's no question about that (unless she secures her first) but I think her father is gonna be the one who exploits her the most.

Modifié par ViSeirA, 26 juin 2011 - 06:48 .

[MisterJB]

ViSeirA wrote...

And even talking to her sister isn't a forced event like the interrupt, it was more of a suggestion and if she hasn't already considered it she wouldn't have done it... though I guess that said decision is gonna bring her more trouble in ME3, we saw how the shadow broker already knows about her and Oriana, and even though Liara is now the shadow broker there's no telling who he told about the info before he died... I rarely make her leave without talking to Oriana but I I reckon it'll bring us more trouble in ME3.

I disagree. The Shadow Broker could have sold the information to Mr.Lawson but I doubt. Not only that does not match what we learned about him, it's usually people who contact him to buy information, but we also know that he intended to have Miranda work for him. Oriana would be much more useful as a trump card.
And even if he did sell the info to Mr.Lawson, there should be records of it and Liara would be aware of it by now and could warn Miranda.

Cerberus can use Oriana's safety to blackmail Miranda regardless of the amount of contact between the sisters but having Oriana know Miranda beforehand could make the process smoother if she (Oriana) has to be evacuated during ME3.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

Not that they'd ever do this, but I have a reputation to keep up.

jtav wrote...
If you had to choose between Miranda having a large role in ME3 and her having a relationship with Oriana, which would you choose?

I think I'd go with the later.  I'm such a sap I know but her being happy with her sister is important.  It's why I nudged her to talk to Oriana in ME2. 

But I have a feeling she would be itching to do something useful against the Reapers...she doesn't seem the type to stop working.

Although...having a larger role = chances of beating the Reapers would go up and then when Reapers are defeated she can have a proper relationship with her sister.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 26 juin 2011 - 06:47 .