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[flemm]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Not really. Her father can do just as much if not more than she can (apart from dying).

The only reason she holds any importance to that is because she's the only important named quarian.

Arguably, Legion is more important than she is, and ironically enough, he's done more in 1 game than Tali has in 2, but I won't go any deeper than that.

Legion and Tali will have roughly the same importance in the Geth/Quarian plot.

It's true that she represents the Quarians, but that is generally true of the aliens on the squad.

Priestly's comment was stupid because it will be cited in flamewars from now to eternity. Flamewars that I have no interest in getting mired down in.

Either they will do justice to Miranda, or they won't. If they do, none of the rest of it will matter. That is the only relevant issue in my mind.

Modifié par flemm, 09 janvier 2012 - 07:19 .

[android654]

jtav wrote...

The point is: a Shepard/Miranda happy ending will be work. They're going to have to suffer. I like that.

I've always liked that in a story; having a hero suffer in order to receive some degree of happiness. But i really do mean suffer.

It makes the resulting happiness seem more deserved, that and my mind thirves on adversity, can't get enough of it.

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

The point is: a Shepard/Miranda happy ending will be work. They're going to have to suffer. I like that. She and Tali have flipped roles. Everything that made the Talimance difficult is gone. She's the easy path, like Miranda was.

I can work with that.

I just sort of hope that the suffering involved isn't what I'm thinking it is....

[AgitatedLemon]

Either they will do justice to Miranda or they won't. If they do, none of the rest will matter. That is theonly relevant issue in my mind.

This is something I can get behind.

I've already prepared my pitchfork and torch for release day.

[naledgeborn]

@ people knocking Hip Hop. It's a genre that's been around for 40 years. It has already stood the test of time. But like everything that can turn a profit it's been hijacked by the entertainment industry. Don't judge an entire musical culture based on what you see on television and hear on the radio.

OT: Miranda like her combat class is a Jack of All Trades. She'll have the best of every type of music from classical to Jazz to Rock to Rap  and everything in between in her "omnipod". Though classical would be her favorite. 

[AgitatedLemon]

naledgeborn wrote...

@ people knocking Hip Hop. It's a genre that's been around for 40 years. It has already stood the test of time. But like everything that can turn a profit it's been hijacked by the entertainment industry. Don't judge an entire musical culture based on what you see on television and hear on the radio.

OT: Miranda like her combat class is a Jack of All Trades. She'll have the best of every type of music from classical to Jazz to Rock to Rap  and everything in between in her "omnipod". Though classical would be her favorite. 

I don't think anyone was.

Anyway... getting back to Miranda, She doesn't strike me as the type of person to really give hip hop a chance, unless someone was persistent enough to get her to listen to it for more than 5 minutes.

At least, I'm judging from "modern day" hip hop.

[Fenris_13]

Nah, I've read the script, and what it tells of Miranda, I wouldn't be disappointed. She looks to turn out really promising in ME3, considering I was afraid they would throw her in a dumpster.

[AgitatedLemon]

Fenris_13 wrote...

Nah, I've read the script, and what it tells of Miranda, I wouldn't be disappointed. She looks to turn out really promising in ME3, considering I was afraid they would throw her in a dumpster.

I don't think anyone was contesting that it COULD turn out promising. That seems to be unanimously agreed upon.

[The Elder King]

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AgitatedLemon wrote...

Not really. Her father can do just as much if not more than she can (apart from dying).

The only reason she holds any importance to that is because she's the only important named quarian.

Arguably, Legion is more important than she is, and ironically enough, he's done more in 1 game than Tali has in 2, but I won't go any deeper than that.

Tali is important in ME3. I'm not going to say more because it'll be spoiler.
And his father is a great idiot. It's his fault that all ot the Quarians in the Alarei died.

Modifié par hhh89, 09 janvier 2012 - 07:43 .

[naledgeborn]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

@ people knocking Hip Hop. It's a genre that's been around for 40 years. It has already stood the test of time. But like everything that can turn a profit it's been hijacked by the entertainment industry. Don't judge an entire musical culture based on what you see on television and hear on the radio.

OT: Miranda like her combat class is a Jack of All Trades. She'll have the best of every type of music from classical to Jazz to Rock to Rap  and everything in between in her "omnipod". Though classical would be her favorite. 

I don't think anyone was.

Anyway... getting back to Miranda, She doesn't strike me as the type of person to really give hip hop a chance, unless someone was persistent enough to get her to listen to it for more than 5 minutes.

At least, I'm judging from "modern day" hip hop.

That's assuming she'd take the time to sit down and actually listen. She's an introvert, she might give it a chance if she actually had the time, but she's a busybody. A lot of "all work and no play" going on with her. Especially since the galaxy is bout to get sploded.

[AgitatedLemon]

hhh89 wrote...

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AgitatedLemon wrote...

Not really. Her father can do just as much if not more than she can (apart from dying).

The only reason she holds any importance to that is because she's the only important named quarian.

Arguably, Legion is more important than she is, and ironically enough, he's done more in 1 game than Tali has in 2, but I won't go any deeper than that.

Tali is important in ME3. I'm not going to say more because it'll be spoiler.
And his father is a great idiot. It's his fault that all ot the Quarians in the Alarei died.

That's why I said "Legion has done more in 1 game than Tali has done in 2". i didn't say anything about ME3.

And it wasn't just Rael's fault the geth were constructed. It was EVERYONE'S fault. At least their intentions were good.

[nitefyre410]

android654 wrote...

jtav wrote...

The point is: a Shepard/Miranda happy ending will be work. They're going to have to suffer. I like that.

I've always liked that in a story; having a hero suffer in order to receive some degree of happiness. But i really do mean suffer.

It makes the resulting happiness seem more deserved, that and my mind thirves on adversity, can't get enough of it.

 

 That is exactly how I feel -  its makes the  happieness earned at the end totally worth something. 

Honestly the problems that Bioware are have with intergating the cast of ME 2 is because  in my opinion ME 2 never really set the stage for  ME 3... Yeah the Collectors where the Reapers by proxy but the main ME 2 still was overshadow in some areas by  the character loyality missions.    My major  grip is that okay if your going to have Cerberus as the main atogonistic force beside the  Reapers pushing the player. How in the  world can  Miranda not be on the ship... she was TIM's right hand,  she is you best source information  outside of say EDI  for how  to deal with them. Always you ad the conflict of can or can you not trust her... to marginalize that seems foolish.   Tali was fine until that completely assinine speach  that you could use to  clear her name.   Removing that would  cut out a lot of this issues in my eyes and leaves of open a better storyline of her and legion being the bridges to peace and saving the quarins from themselves. 

[The Elder King]

AgitatedLemon wrote...



That's why I said "Legion has done more in 1 game than Tali has done in 2". i didn't say anything about ME3.

And it wasn't just Rael's fault the geth were constructed. It was EVERYONE'S fault. At least their intentions were good.

He was in charge, he started the project (with the collaboration of Han'Gerrel) he suggested/ordered to the scientist to operate in a way that lead to the Geth's attack.
If you wish to continue the discussion, feel free to PM me, since we're going off-topic.

[AgitatedLemon]

nitefyre410 wrote...

android654 wrote...

jtav wrote...

The point is: a Shepard/Miranda happy ending will be work. They're going to have to suffer. I like that.

I've always liked that in a story; having a hero suffer in order to receive some degree of happiness. But i really do mean suffer.

It makes the resulting happiness seem more deserved, that and my mind thirves on adversity, can't get enough of it.

 

 That is exactly how I feel -  its makes the  happieness earned at the end totally worth something. 

Honestly the problems that Bioware are have with intergating the cast of ME 2 is because  in my opinion ME 2 never really set the stage for  ME 3... Yeah the Collectors where the Reapers by proxy but the main ME 2 still was overshadow in some areas by  the character loyality missions.    My major  grip is that okay if your going to have Cerberus as the main atogonistic force beside the  Reapers pushing the player. How in the  world can  Miranda not be on the ship... she was TIM's right hand,  she is you best source information  outside of say EDI  for how  to deal with them. Always you ad the conflict of can or can you not trust her... to marginalize that seems foolish.   Tali was fine until that completely assinine speach  that you could use to  clear her name.   Removing that would  cut out a lot of this issues in my eyes and leaves of open a better storyline of her and legion being the bridges to peace and saving the quarins from themselves.

@bolded part-

This is probably the most important thing Tali can do, considering how terribly BioWare have written her in the past.

Off topic, but ME2 seemed to be more about setting up Cerberus, and their ideals than anything. Sure, the Collectors... Whatever. They just needed a Reaper associated villain to fight.

[CrutchCricket]

hhh89 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...



That's why I said "Legion has done more in 1 game than Tali has done in 2". i didn't say anything about ME3.

And it wasn't just Rael's fault the geth were constructed. It was EVERYONE'S fault. At least their intentions were good.

He was in charge, he started the project (with the collaboration of Han'Gerrel) he suggested/ordered to the scientist to operate in a way that lead to the Geth's attack.
If you wish to continue the discussion, feel free to PM me, since we're going off-topic.

Rael: See these geth things we all hate that can heal themselves, replicate and attack us and can also hack into our ships at the speed of light? Let's turn a few of them on.
Random quarian:Sure, there's no way this can blow up in our face.
Random wise quarian: Wait a minute, you guys don't think maybe they'll heal themselves and replicate and attack us? Kind of like what they've always done...
Rael: Somebody write this idiot out of the plot.

Had to post this. I know it's off topic. Maybe I'll write a humorous take on ME...

[android654]

nitefyre410 wrote...

 That is exactly how I feel -  its makes the  happieness earned at the end totally worth something. 

Honestly the problems that Bioware are have with intergating the cast of ME 2 is because  in my opinion ME 2 never really set the stage for  ME 3... Yeah the Collectors where the Reapers by proxy but the main ME 2 still was overshadow in some areas by  the character loyality missions.    My major  grip is that okay if your going to have Cerberus as the main atogonistic force beside the  Reapers pushing the player. How in the  world can  Miranda not be on the ship... she was TIM's right hand,  she is you best source information  outside of say EDI  for how  to deal with them. Always you ad the conflict of can or can you not trust her... to marginalize that seems foolish.   Tali was fine until that completely assinine speach  that you could use to  clear her name.   Removing that would  cut out a lot of this issues in my eyes and leaves of open a better storyline of her and legion being the bridges to peace and saving the quarins from themselves. 

That was the issue I had with it. If anyone has a good reason for being on the SR2 its Miranda since you'll be facing Cerberus. Now if BW's going to make the argument that she can do more off the ship to fight an organization, then why isn't Liara doing the same considering that she has way more resources as the SB?

hhh89 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...



That's why I said "Legion has done more in 1 game than Tali has done in 2". i didn't say anything about ME3.

And it wasn't just Rael's fault the geth were constructed. It was EVERYONE'S fault. At least their intentions were good.

He was in charge, he started the project (with the collaboration of Han'Gerrel) he suggested/ordered to the scientist to operate in a way that lead to the Geth's attack.
If you wish to continue the discussion, feel free to PM me, since we're going off-topic.

Whihc is why she's relevant by proxy, but not essential to the story.

On topic, in addition to Thane I don't think Miranda would care much for Tali either. She might stomach her more than Thane, but I don't think they would spend much time together. Granted that she would be very selective with whom she choses to spend her time with, especially among the SR2 squad.

Modifié par android654, 09 janvier 2012 - 08:11 .

[nitefyre410]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

android654 wrote...

jtav wrote...

The point is: a Shepard/Miranda happy ending will be work. They're going to have to suffer. I like that.

I've always liked that in a story; having a hero suffer in order to receive some degree of happiness. But i really do mean suffer.

It makes the resulting happiness seem more deserved, that and my mind thirves on adversity, can't get enough of it.

 

 That is exactly how I feel -  its makes the  happieness earned at the end totally worth something. 

Honestly the problems that Bioware are have with intergating the cast of ME 2 is because  in my opinion ME 2 never really set the stage for  ME 3... Yeah the Collectors where the Reapers by proxy but the main ME 2 still was overshadow in some areas by  the character loyality missions.    My major  grip is that okay if your going to have Cerberus as the main atogonistic force beside the  Reapers pushing the player. How in the  world can  Miranda not be on the ship... she was TIM's right hand,  she is you best source information  outside of say EDI  for how  to deal with them. Always you ad the conflict of can or can you not trust her... to marginalize that seems foolish.   Tali was fine until that completely assinine speach  that you could use to  clear her name.   Removing that would  cut out a lot of this issues in my eyes and leaves of open a better storyline of her and legion being the bridges to peace and saving the quarins from themselves.

@bolded part-

This is probably the most important thing Tali can do, considering how terribly BioWare have written her in the past.

Off topic, but ME2 seemed to be more about setting up Cerberus, and their ideals than anything. Sure, the Collectors... Whatever. They just needed a Reaper associated villain to fight.

 

which Ironically that is what Cerberus has turned into  unless TIM has a  Dr. Doom level  plot in play. 

android654 wrote...


That was the issue I had with it. If anyone has a good reason for being on the SR2 its Miranda since you'll be facing Cerberus. Now if BW's going to make the argument that she can do more off the ship to fight an organization, then why isn't Liara doing the same considering that she has way more resources as the SB?

 

Precieslly - It can be made but yet some who Liara is on the ship - where she is hell of alot more usefull tatically in the position of SB using that as means to  find  information on   Cerberus plans but also more information on the Protheans as well she could say play the role of Oracle to Shepard if we go with the Batman analogy.  How  they have handled both  characters really bugs me.  Sometimes when you are writting a story you have to stick with what you want to right. You can't constantly change based on what fans want all the time because then the narrative  ends up a mess.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 09 janvier 2012 - 08:20 .

[Td1984]

CrutchCricket wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...



That's why I said "Legion has done more in 1 game than Tali has done in 2". i didn't say anything about ME3.

And it wasn't just Rael's fault the geth were constructed. It was EVERYONE'S fault. At least their intentions were good.

He was in charge, he started the project (with the collaboration of Han'Gerrel) he suggested/ordered to the scientist to operate in a way that lead to the Geth's attack.
If you wish to continue the discussion, feel free to PM me, since we're going off-topic.

Rael: See these geth things we all hate that can heal themselves, replicate and attack us and can also hack into our ships at the speed of light? Let's turn a few of them on.
Random quarian:Sure, there's no way this can blow up in our face.
Random wise quarian: Wait a minute, you guys don't think maybe they'll heal themselves and replicate and attack us? Kind of like what they've always done...
Rael: Somebody write this idiot out of the plot.

Had to post this. I know it's off topic. Maybe I'll write a humorous take on ME...

A spoof that maybe you could call "Mass Defect"?

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

 That is exactly how I feel -  its makes the  happieness earned at the end totally worth something. 

Honestly the problems that Bioware are have with intergating the cast of ME 2 is because  in my opinion ME 2 never really set the stage for  ME 3... Yeah the Collectors where the Reapers by proxy but the main ME 2 still was overshadow in some areas by  the character loyality missions.    My major  grip is that okay if your going to have Cerberus as the main atogonistic force beside the  Reapers pushing the player. How in the  world can  Miranda not be on the ship... she was TIM's right hand,  she is you best source information  outside of say EDI  for how  to deal with them. Always you ad the conflict of can or can you not trust her... to marginalize that seems foolish.   Tali was fine until that completely assinine speach  that you could use to  clear her name.   Removing that would  cut out a lot of this issues in my eyes and leaves of open a better storyline of her and legion being the bridges to peace and saving the quarins from themselves. 

That was the issue I had with it. If anyone has a good reason for being on the SR2 its Miranda since you'll be facing Cerberus. Now if BW's going to make the argument that she can do more off the ship to fight an organization, then why isn't Liara doing the same considering that she has way more resources as the SB?

hhh89 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...



That's why I said "Legion has done more in 1 game than Tali has done in 2". i didn't say anything about ME3.

And it wasn't just Rael's fault the geth were constructed. It was EVERYONE'S fault. At least their intentions were good.

He was in charge, he started the project (with the collaboration of Han'Gerrel) he suggested/ordered to the scientist to operate in a way that lead to the Geth's attack.
If you wish to continue the discussion, feel free to PM me, since we're going off-topic.

Whihc is why she's relevant by proxy, but not essential to the story.

On topic, in addition to Thane I don't think Miranda would care much for Tali either. She might stomach her more than Thane, but I don't think they would spend much time together. Granted that she would be very selective with whom she choses to spend her time with, especially among the SR2 squad.

In regards to your first paragraph, I think Miranda would only join the Normandy again after she finishes her personal business. I can't even begin to say how much I want this to happen.

In regards to your 2nd paragraph, that's why I feel (In ME2) Tali just has a bad case of nepotism. In ME1 it sort of made sense, but it felt really forced and out of the blue in ME2, and I'm talking about all of her appearances. Through meta-gaming, you can apply "Her father told her to go to XX for YY" in all of her appearances.

[ThomGau]

Actually, the name " Mass Defect " is already taken, sorry : www.youtube.com/watch

[AgitatedLemon]

ThomGau wrote...

Actually, the name " Mass Defect " is already taken, sorry : www.youtube.com/watch

Pretentious directors that make note of various things like 

"Cut me some slack, it's my longest video"

or

"Let's see YOU do better"

really turn me off fan made videos, much like how horrible authors turn me off fanfics.

[CrutchCricket]

Though the intro made me laugh ("**** I meant production") the rest was meh. Not even ME related really, just another gmod compilation, trying to be like the Gmod Idiot Box. So even though I hadn't yet considered "Mass Defect" I don't really think people would confuse the two...

[AgitatedLemon]

Precieslly - It can be made but yet some who Liara is on the ship - where she is hell of alot more usefull tatically in the position of SB using that as means to find information on Cerberus plans but also more information on the Protheans as well she could say play the role of Oracle to Shepard if we go with the Batman analogy. How they have handled both characters really bugs me. Sometimes when you are writting a story you have to stick with what you want to right. You can't constantly change based on what fans want all the time because then the narrative ends up a mess.

And this is why I don't think Liara really deserves squad status either.

[ThomGau]

I didn't know the author was that pretentious . Though to some extend I found it funny . But yeah, it is definitely not related to Mass Effect, you just have some characters and items which belong to the ME universe, nothing about the plot .

Modifié par ThomGau, 09 janvier 2012 - 08:38 .

[AgitatedLemon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Though the intro made me laugh ("**** I meant production") the rest was meh. Not even ME related really, just another gmod compilation, trying to be like the Gmod Idiot Box. So even though I hadn't yet considered "Mass Defect" I don't really think people would confuse the two...

Another reason why I utterly despise fan made videos.

If you're going to say that your video is based on something, then base your damn video on your source material.

Having some character models and names (And then having nothing else to do with it) doesn't make it based on anything, that's just ripping it off.

A small percentage of directors can do it, but a good 99.5% of the youtube (Ugh) community suck at it.