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[CrutchCricket]

Youtube- where quality control goes to die.

[Td1984]

ThomGau wrote...

Actually, the name " Mass Defect " is already taken, sorry : www.youtube.com/watch

Oh well. There goes that idea.

[AgitatedLemon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Youtube- where quality control goes to die.

My POV on the whole subject is-

Unless you're actually professional and get paid (Not talking some asinine Yt partnership either, paid as in you work for a living) to make videos, then don't try to sell your sh*tty GMod ripoffs off as proffesional.

And no, fancy editing does not automatically make someone a pro. If it did, I'd be Stephen Spielberg.

A good example of videos of good quality are those found here-
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/

Let's leave this topic, it has nothing to do with Miranda, and it will just get very heated very quickly (As a film maker, I hate people who try to make stupid videos).

Now to steer ourselves back on topic...


http://cain69.devian...er-01-179938176

I gotta say, at first Iidn't care all that much for this particular piece, but the more I look at it, the more I appreciate it. Well done, Cain.

[ThomGau]

Cain really does an amazing job . You've already put some pics he did and I have to say they are really sweet .

Modifié par ThomGau, 09 janvier 2012 - 09:07 .

[Ieldra]

ThomGau wrote...
Cain really does an amazing job . You've already put some pics he did and I have to say they are really sweet .

He does create amazing videos and wallpapers. But I recall the passionate disagreements I had with him on this thread about Miranda. Things actually got unpleasant at times. I wonder if he's serious about not buying ME3 if Miranda is not on the team. 

[AgitatedLemon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ThomGau wrote...
Cain really does an amazing job . You've already put some pics he did and I have to say they are really sweet .

He does create amazing videos and wallpapers. But I recall the passionate disagreements I had with him on this thread about Miranda. Things actually got unpleasant at times. I wonder if he's serious about not buying ME3 if Miranda is not on the team. 

What was his take on the whole thing, if you don't mind me asking?

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
He does create amazing videos and wallpapers. But I recall the passionate disagreements I had with him on this thread about Miranda. Things actually got unpleasant at times. I wonder if he's serious about not buying ME3 if Miranda is not on the team. 

You can be pretty... inflexible in your views

I mean that in the most friendly manner possible. But it's true

[CrutchCricket]

I am actually curious as well as to these topics.

[desispark]

 Thought this picture was funny and decided to share. THis is how facebook timeline was meant to be used. 

Modifié par desispark, 09 janvier 2012 - 09:28 .

[Ieldra]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

ThomGau wrote...
Cain really does an amazing job . You've already put some pics he did and I have to say they are really sweet .

He does create amazing videos and wallpapers. But I recall the passionate disagreements I had with him on this thread about Miranda. Things actually got unpleasant at times. I wonder if he's serious about not buying ME3 if Miranda is not on the team. 

What was his take on the whole thing, if you don't mind me asking?

Where things got unpleasant is when he said it's unnatural for a woman to not care about her infertility. This, of course, discussing Miranda's infertility and her attitude to it. And he appreciated Miranda's emotional side far more than I do and always accused me to want her to be a cold-hearted b*tch, while I accused him of wanting her to be a sentimental twit, the stereotypically over-emotionalized woman we see all too much of in stories, particularly in visual entertainment.

Apart from that, there was - unsurprisingly - a disagreement about the CB decision. I am somewhat infamous for insisting that Miranda's optional line "using anything from this base seems like a betrayal" is out of character for her, compromises her operative's competence and substitutes an inappropriate sentimental judgment instead. In which, as flemm said, I've been indeed rather adamant because I feared (yeah, that''s the right term) that we'd get an overly sentimental Miranda in ME3 who subscribes to the ME universe's infamous feel-good morality instead of using reason to argue her points. I've always liked that Miranda makes reasonable strategic suggestions on missions in ME2, even if they go against what people usually feel to be right, and I seriously hate morality based on sentimentality and couldn't bear to have it attached to Miranda. I still have some concerns about that....

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 janvier 2012 - 09:38 .

[AgitatedLemon]

I dunno. I like that Miranda shows more emotion.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 09 janvier 2012 - 09:41 .

[Ieldra]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
I dunno. I like that Miranda shows more emotion.

The difference was about Miranda making professional decisions based on emotions. Which I say would compromise her competence if it became a habit. The CB decision is quite a serious offender in that if you choose the Paragon option at the first exchange with TIM.

What happens in the romance is a different matter.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 janvier 2012 - 09:40 .

[flemm]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I dunno. I like that Miranda shows more emotion.

Plenty of people do. It's one of those... divisive topics that tend to whirl around the character.

Personally, I believe that the pragmatic, rational side of the character is extremely important.

However, as long as that is not lost, I like the emotional side as well.

Edit: But also Ieldra makes an important point that the disagreement tends to revolve more around the "professional side" than the personal side. Everybody wants Miranda to be emotional to a certain extent, or in certain situations.

Modifié par flemm, 09 janvier 2012 - 09:42 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Does Miranda ever actually bring up her infertility?

I never learned about it until I first played LotSB, and I don't think I've ever heard Miranda discuss it before.

I'll say 1 thing though, I think the infertility is a dumb idea. It's the only story element from any game I know of I wouldn't mind being retconned, or some horribly contrived miracle cure being applied.

Yes, I'd rather cure Miranda's infertility than Thane or Joker.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 09 janvier 2012 - 09:42 .

[ThomGau]

I remember those arguments you had with him now, if I remember well, it was in August or so, right ?
As for her emotional VS cold side . I think a balance between them is a good thing . I love the Ice Queen but I also love her warmer side and I hope BW will keep that balance in ME3 .
About her infertility, we don't know much about it, she may or may not have tried to "fix" that problem . There's nothing to really argue about since there's nothing clear .  We will find out more about this in March I suppose .

Modifié par ThomGau, 09 janvier 2012 - 09:50 .

[Ieldra]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Does Miranda ever actually bring up her infertility?

I never learned about it until I first played LotSB, and I don't think I've ever heard Miranda discuss it before.

She doesn't. Things were discussed based on the evidence of the LotSB dossiers. Now we also have the leaked script where this gets brought up in one version of her story by implication.

I'll say 1 thing though, I think the infertility is a dumb idea. It's the only story element from any game I know of I wouldn't mind being retconned, or some horribly contrived miracle cure being applied.

Yes, I'd rather cure Miranda's infertility than Thane or Joker.

Definitely. I hate the infertility with a passion because it can be read as an Aesop about the supposed evils of genetic engineering, in the way that of course, it will all come to nothing and her completely beneficial enhancements anybody would kill for would not be allowed to propagate just because of some ridiculous taboo about manipulating the human genome.

I would like it if she used a technology similar to her father's when he created her to overcome her condition if she wanted to. It would be a sign that she's made peace with her origins and that her father's insane goals are recognized to not morally contaminate the technology he was using.

But all that should be strictly epilogue stuff. It has no place in the main part of ME3. I also don't want it to actually happen, I only want the possibility to remain explicitly, canonically open.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 janvier 2012 - 09:55 .

[jtav]

Miranda never mentions her infertility. As I don't want small children in my games, I hope it sticks. Where things got ugly is that Yannkee ascribed to Miranda a very traditional view of sex and gender roles. Those early discussions are in part why I'm somewhat hostile to the idea of settling down, Paragons, and Strahovski as an actress.

[ThomGau]

Ieldra2 wrote...

She doesn't. Things were discussed based on the evidence of the LotSB dossiers. Now we also have the leaked script where this gets brought up in one version of her story by implication.

Could you PM about this please ? I've read the Miranda-related stuff from the leak but I haven't found this implication you are referring to .

Modifié par ThomGau, 09 janvier 2012 - 09:57 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Does Miranda ever actually bring up her infertility?

I never learned about it until I first played LotSB, and I don't think I've ever heard Miranda discuss it before.

She doesn't. Things were discussed based on the evidence of the LotSB dossiers. Now we also have the leaked script where this gets brought up in one version of her story by implication.

I'll say 1 thing though, I think the infertility is a dumb idea. It's the only story element from any game I know of I wouldn't mind being retconned, or some horribly contrived miracle cure being applied.

Yes, I'd rather cure Miranda's infertility than Thane or Joker.

Definitely. I hate the infertility with a passion because it can be read as an Aesop about the supposed evils of genetic engineering, in the way that of course, it will all come to nothing and her completely beneficial enhancements anybody would kill for would not be allowed to propagate just because of some ridiculous taboo about manipulating the human genome.

I would like it if she used a technology similar to her father's when he created her to overcome her condition if she wanted to. It would be a sign that she's made peace with her origins and that her father's insane goals are recognized to not morally contaminate the technology he was using.

But all that should be strictly epilogue stuff. It has no place in the main part of ME3. I also don't want it to actually happen, I only want the possibility to remain explicitly, canonically open.

Basically, this.

@jtav, you know you can still have children in the game from romances and still not have it ruin your gameplay, yeah? Just slap it behind an epilogue via cutscene or text scroll. What's your problem with kids anyway?

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 09 janvier 2012 - 09:58 .

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Where things got unpleasant is when he said it's unnatural for a woman to not care about her infertility. This, of course, discussing Miranda's infertility and her attitude to it. And he appreciated Miranda's emotional side far more than I do and always accused me to want her to be a cold-hearted b*tch, while I accused him of wanting her to be a sentimental twit, the stereotypically over-emotionalized woman we see all too much of in stories, particularly in visual entertainment.

Apart from that, there was - unsurprisingly - a disagreement about the CB decision. I am somewhat infamous for insisting that Miranda's optional line "using anything from this base seems like a betrayal" is out of character for her, compromises her operative's competence and substitutes an inappropriate sentimental judgment instead. In which, as flemm said, I've been indeed rather adamant because I feared (yeah, that''s the right term) that we'd get an overly sentimental Miranda in ME3 who subscribes to the ME universe's infamous feel-good morality instead of using reason to argue her points. I've always liked that Miranda makes reasonable strategic suggestions on missions in ME2, even if they go against what people usually feel to be right, and I seriously hate morality based on sentimentality and couldn't bear to have it attached to Miranda. I still have some concerns about that....

No big surprise then. I always felt there was more to your motivations on that argument. And remembering the impressions I first got when I came in a few months ago the conclusion that the "cold-hearted b!tch" was preferred is not completely unwarranted. To me it sometimes felt more like the prevailing opinion was that Shepard shouldn't even matter and Miranda should be the center of all. Of course I stuck around and got the whole story but I could see how someone else might leave.

I think those of us that stuck around have more or less made peace with what we agree and disagree on.

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

Miranda never mentions her infertility. As I don't want small children in my games, I hope it sticks. Where things got ugly is that Yannkee ascribed to Miranda a very traditional view of sex and gender roles. Those early discussions are in part why I'm somewhat hostile to the idea of settling down, Paragons, and Strahovski as an actress.

Ok I've gotten most of this before. But what's with the underlined?

[Ieldra]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
@jtav, you know you can still have children in the game from romances and still not have it ruin your gameplay, yeah? Just slap it behind an epilogue via cutscene or text scroll. What's your problem with kids anyway?

If I may answer for myself: I heavily dislike the emphasis on family stuff in epic stories, especially in endings but also everywhere else. As a result, the future I envision for Miranda and Shepard does not include children, at least not for some time. If an epilogue mentions children, it would fix Miranda's and Shepard's after-the-ending story in a way I do not like. However, if the epilogue just mentioned that Miranda did some research on circumventing her condition, without specifying what actually happens, I'd still be able to imagine their story to continue as I like. 

[jtav]

I don't even want kids in my epilogue without my express consent. As for my problem, it's children being seen as a necessary part of a happy ending that bothers me. I'd like my player avatar to be childfree and still run off with his chosen LI.

[CrutchCricket]

No I meant the problem "with Strahovski as an actress."

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
I think those of us that stuck around have more or less made peace with what we agree and disagree on.

Yes. Of course it's easier now, as ME3 is done and whatever we appreciate or fear might happen can't be influenced any more by the fans.