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[jtav]

I type slowly Crutch. But lets just say MEfan isn't the first to equate Strahovski, Miranda, and Sarah Walker. I think Strahovski did a great job as Miranda, but I'm not a big fan of her other work.

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

I don't even want kids in my epilogue without my express consent. As for my problem, it's children being seen as a necessary part of a happy ending that bothers me. I'd like my player avatar to be childfree and still run off with his chosen LI.

Of course, the choice to have kids would be made by the player, not mandatory.

[jtav]

But Bioware has, in the past, forced children on the player. Which is why I'm so militant about this. I don't want a Baldur's Gate/Jade Empire one size fits all epilogue.

Modifié par jtav, 09 janvier 2012 - 10:16 .

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

But Bioware has, in the past, forced children on the player. Which is why I'm so militant about this.

When/Where?

The only other BW game I've played was DAO, and none of my romances have had children in that game, so it makes me curious.


Everyone probably already knows my stance on it (I've done it to death), but I'd like to at least experiment with Miranda and Shepard having children. At least if it's bad, I can make fun of it.

[jtav]

Throne of Bhaal with Aerie and Viconia. I believe Jade Empire as well. And KOTOR/TOR.

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

I type slowly Crutch. But lets just say MEfan isn't the first to equate Strahovski, Miranda, and Sarah Walker. I think Strahovski did a great job as Miranda, but I'm not a big fan of her other work.

I haven't seen much of her other work to really judge. But I loved her in Chuck. Due to my stance on recasting I do see Miranda and Strahovski as necessarily linked and Sarah Walker and Strahovski as necessarily linked but Walker and Miranda? Not so much. They're similar sure, but not the same.  And Strahovski isn't typecast as femme fatale superspy (at least not yet). Yet, if you like one, why do you dislike the other?

Although there were plenty of scenes in Chuck where I just imagined you cringing...

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 09 janvier 2012 - 10:32 .

[spirosz]

jtav wrote...

Throne of Bhaal with Aerie and Viconia. I believe Jade Empire as well. And KOTOR/TOR.

I've played through KOTOR around 30 times and I cannot remember a situation where that happens, not with Bastila at least.  Juhani, or female romance? 

[Skullheart]

Well, if Miranda has a new VA then the problem of people comparing Miranda and Sarah will be solved in some way.

For me they are two diferent characters in totally diferent situations. They just share the same actress.

And btw, Strahovski can always be replaced even if she did a good job in ME2.

[CrutchCricket]

I can also replace my head with a cauliflower. Doesn't mean I should.

And I'm kind of curious about kids in KOTOR. I mean these are Jedi where talking about... or you know Sith. Not really prominent parents.

[AgitatedLemon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

I can also replace my head with a cauliflower. Doesn't mean I should.

And I'm kind of curious about kids in KOTOR. I mean these are Jedi where talking about... or you know Sith. Not really prominent parents.

Nevermind, I read it wrong

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 09 janvier 2012 - 10:51 .

[jtav]

Revan fathered a child with Bastila before he left.

[Skullheart]

I said that she can be replaced, I didn't say that I like though, I´'ll despise it. It could be one more reason to not have high hopes in BW games.

And as for KOTOR, I don't remember they mention any kids/childrens in KOTOR or KOTOR2 (this wasn't from BW). Still, I haven't played TOR or readed the novels, so I can't give a worthy opinion.

[CrutchCricket]

Huh.... Well I guess Satele Shan had to come from somewhere lol. Too much of a coincidence if she just happens to share a last name.

The Old Republic novels are really good. Decieved and Betrayal (or Betrayed?) kick ass. I intensely dislike the notion of a Sith Empire but the stories are interesting.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 09 janvier 2012 - 11:00 .

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
But all that should be strictly epilogue stuff. It has no place in the main part of ME3.

I'm not sure.

Now that we've seen where this whole story is going thematically, I think it can very plausibly have its place in the main story of the game.

It may not be a coincidence that Miranda's infertility and the idea that she represents the "future of humanity" were introduced in the same DLC, at which point the basic outline of the story for ME3 was probably already sketched out.

Basically, you just have to think about what appears to be the best or "perfect" ending of the game. If Miranda's story plays into that (which I think it plausibly will), then I think the infertility could remain, but not as a stigma with any negative connotations.

[jtav]

Can you elaborate, in the spoiler group if necessary?

[AgitatedLemon]

flemm wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
But all that should be strictly epilogue stuff. It has no place in the main part of ME3.

I'm not sure.

Now that we've seen where this whole story is going thematically, I think it can very plausibly have its place in the main story of the game.

It may not be a coincidence that Miranda's infertility and the idea that she represents the "future of humanity" were introduced in the same DLC, at which point the basic outline of the story for ME3 was probably already sketched out.

Basically, you just have to think about what appears to be the best or "perfect" ending of the game. If Miranda's story plays into that (which I think it plausibly will), then I think the infertility could remain, but not as a stigma with any negative connotations.

How do you figure "The future of humanity" and being infertile is a good combination?

That's like Morinth saying she's the "Genetic destiny of the asari", but she's sterile. Samara also comments on this.

[Skullheart]

Future of humanity + being infertile... No childrens... no future?

I don't get it.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Can you elaborate, in the spoiler group if necessary?

I think that themes are probably too abstract to really be considered spoilers, so I think I can do it here, but it will be a little vague.

Basically, one of the themes of the game is unity of man and machine. Synthetic life becoming more like organic life, while organic life becomes more like synthetic life, and in the ideal or best case scenarios, the two tend to become more harmonious, closer to one another, whether it be individual missions or the game as a whole.

There are lots of examples of the two types of life interacting: the Geth, Shepard post-Lazarus, the Reapers (in a way).

The new celebrity spoiler character is another example, and we have already noticed certain in-story parallels between that character and Miranda (parallel, but also contrasting).

So, Miranda is another example. She is organic, but engineered, not "natural." One of the differences between organic life and synthetic life is means of reproduction. So, with all that in mind, I could see Miranda's story being partly about removing the stigma of her "unnaturalness." Not sure how it would be handled exactly, but it fits.

Miranda would represent one case of the barrier between organic and synthetic life beginning to blur.

Skullheart wrote...

Future of humanity + being infertile... No childrens... no future?

I don't get it.

Does that make more sense now?

Modifié par flemm, 09 janvier 2012 - 11:17 .

[Skullheart]

Let's see. a way (simbiosis organic and not organic) to continue existing with no need of procreate?

[flemm]

Skullheart wrote...

Let's see. a way (simbiosis organic and not organic) to continue existing with no need of procreate?

Well, she would just be able to procreate via other means, as we have often discussed here. My point was more about how that would fit into the main story of the game, why it might be done that way, and why it might be linked to the "future of humanity."

To be more blunt, when Geth reproduce, I don't think they have sex, they just... build another geth.

Miranda was basically created that way, she was... built. So, one "future of humanity" would be embracing that possibility.

I'm sure those people will still have sex for fun, though

And to form deep emotional bonds, of course

Modifié par flemm, 09 janvier 2012 - 11:27 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Miranda was basically created that way, she was... built. So, one "future of humanity" would be embracing that possibility.

If I may...

That's one of the dumbest things I have ever read.

[jtav]

But she was built. The ordinary method of sperm + egg was circumvented. And from a strictly utilitarian view, why not grow your kid in a vat? I don't agree, but I understand.

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

But she was built. The ordinary method of sperm + egg was circumvented. And from a strictly utilitarian view, why not grow your kid in a vat? I don't agree, but I understand.

I know, but no.

Just... No.

[flemm]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

If I may...

That's one of the dumbest things I have ever read.

*sigh*

It's accurate. Or "engineered," if you prefer. That's not really a controversial statement, it's part of the character's backstory.

Modifié par flemm, 09 janvier 2012 - 11:40 .

[AgitatedLemon]

flemm wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

If I may...

That's one of the dumbest things I have ever read.

*sigh*

It's accurate. Or "engineered," if you prefer. That's not really a controversial statement, it's part of the character's backstory.

That wasn't my point.

Were you suggesting humanity make more synth-humans? That's what I got from it, and that's the dumb part.