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[nitefyre410]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

How do you figure "sperm+egg" was circumvented? You still need a fertilized embryo to grow a human. Fertilized embryo=sperm+egg. The "natural methods" were the only thing that was circumvented.

But hell if that's the better way why stop there? Let's go to the next step:

What is this picture?

 

The Matrix - when Neo - wakes up. 

[AgitatedLemon]

You're a little late :|

[android654]

It wouldn't be "for the lulz," it would be a means of bypassing disease and genetic malformations, improving the quality of life for countless millions. It has the potentiality to do amazing things. Imagine if Jokers parents had the foresight to see their son would be born with BBD and knew they could go around their kid having countless painful medical procedures for the rest of their lives.wouldn't you think they'd take it?

On the movies, I see her seeing things that she wouldn't consider plebeian. I could see her movie folder having: Eyes Wide Shut, The Count Of Monte Cristo, anything she would consider high brow.

[nitefyre410]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

You're a little late :|

 


better late than never... I was having dinner

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

It wouldn't be "for the lulz," it would be a means of bypassing disease and genetic malformations, improving the quality of life for countless millions. It has the potentiality to do amazing things. Imagine if Jokers parents had the foresight to see their son would be born with BBD and knew they could go around their kid having countless painful medical procedures for the rest of their lives.wouldn't you think they'd take it?

On the movies, I see her seeing things that she wouldn't consider plebeian. I could see her movie folder having: Eyes Wide Shut, The Count Of Monte Cristo, anything she would consider high brow.

If you're concerned abuot disease, then I'll refer you to my part about genetic modification post-birth. I already said I have no problems with that, and post birth mods are easier than pre-op.

Ethically, to risk f**king someone up even worse than natural chance is the biggest barrier, aside from astronomical cost.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 10 janvier 2012 - 01:42 .

[Ryzaki]

Actually wasn't that quest with the pregger woman in ME1 saying that actually getting the gene theraphy was less risky and harmful to the child then suffering from the disease that killed it's father? I don't think the disease could be cured only treated. It's been a while since I did that quest though. And actually the guy said the pre birth gene theraphy was less or just as risky as the gene modification every alliance soldier went through. It wasn't more risky.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 janvier 2012 - 01:48 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Ryzaki wrote...

Actually wasn't that quest with the pregger woman in ME1 saying that actually getting the gene theraphy was less risky and harmful to the child then suffering from the disease that killed it's father?

I've never encountered her, and I no longer have my ME1 disc.

Run by me what happens/her dialogue.

edit: That reminds me of the couple in ME2 (I think on the citadel) discussing whther to get some neuro enhancers for their child.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 10 janvier 2012 - 01:49 .

[Ryzaki]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Actually wasn't that quest with the pregger woman in ME1 saying that actually getting the gene theraphy was less risky and harmful to the child then suffering from the disease that killed it's father?

I've never encountered her, and I no longer have my ME1 disc.

Run by me what happens/her dialogue.

Read my edit. Pre birth modification isn't more dangerous than post natal. And some things that can be treated pre birth can't be treated afterwards.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 janvier 2012 - 01:49 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Can you find the name of the assignment? I can search it on the wiki and read the full dialogue.

[Ryzaki]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Can you find the name of the assignment? I can search it on the wiki and read the full dialogue.

http://masseffect.wi...:_Family_Matter

[AgitatedLemon]

Ryzaki wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Can you find the name of the assignment? I can search it on the wiki and read the full dialogue.

http://masseffect.wi...:_Family_Matter

Oh. That's just gene therapy.

Yeah, that's fine.

What I was ranting about earlier was the actual creation of human beings via synthesis.

Gene therapy to dissuade a disease or ailment is perfectly fine, but I see ethical/moral problems in actually creating living humans from tissue and chromosome samples, ala Miranda.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 10 janvier 2012 - 01:57 .

[android654]

I can't think of a good argument against it.

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

I can't think of a good argument against it.

Against what?

[MisterJB]

Creating more humans like Miranda through the same method, I presume.

[AgitatedLemon]

android always leaves when you have something to say to him :|

[Ryzaki]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Oh. That's just gene therapy.

Yeah, that's fine.

What I was ranting about earlier was the actual creation of human beings via synthesis.

Gene therapy to dissuade a disease or ailment is perfectly fine, but I see ethical/moral problems in actually creating living humans from tissue and chromosome samples, ala Miranda.

Frankly I don't.

Do you have a problem with creating them the "natural" way and then placing the embroyo in a (pod would be a better term) for it to develop?

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 janvier 2012 - 02:31 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Ryzaki wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Oh. That's just gene therapy.

Yeah, that's fine.

What I was ranting about earlier was the actual creation of human beings via synthesis.

Gene therapy to dissuade a disease or ailment is perfectly fine, but I see ethical/moral problems in actually creating living humans from tissue and chromosome samples, ala Miranda.

Frankly I don't.

Do you have a problem with creating them the "natural" way and then placing the embroyo in a (pod would be a better term) for it to develop?

Would someone actually do that?

I don't have a rebuttal for a proposition so pointless.

[Ryzaki]

I hate DPs. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 janvier 2012 - 02:46 .

[Ryzaki]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Oh. That's just gene therapy.

Yeah, that's fine.

What I was ranting about earlier was the actual creation of human beings via synthesis.

Gene therapy to dissuade a disease or ailment is perfectly fine, but I see ethical/moral problems in actually creating living humans from tissue and chromosome samples, ala Miranda.

Frankly I don't.

Do you have a problem with creating them the "natural" way and then placing the embroyo in a (pod would be a better term) for it to develop?

Would someone actually do that?

I don't have a rebuttal for a proposition so pointless.

I'm talking about the "natural" way being the mother's egg and the father's sperm with no modifications in the pod to grow. Not the mother sleeping with the father getting pregnant and then removing the child.

So you've never been pregnant? It's far from pointless. You get the baby without the pain and bloating. Child birth isn't some magical experience with no downsides. 

Edit: not trying to be offensive. But almost always when I hear stuff about the "natural" way being the main way it should be done it's almost always from men or women who haven't give birth.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 janvier 2012 - 02:49 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Ryzaki wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Oh. That's just gene therapy.

Yeah, that's fine.

What I was ranting about earlier was the actual creation of human beings via synthesis.

Gene therapy to dissuade a disease or ailment is perfectly fine, but I see ethical/moral problems in actually creating living humans from tissue and chromosome samples, ala Miranda.

Frankly I don't.

Do you have a problem with creating them the "natural" way and then placing the embroyo in a (pod would be a better term) for it to develop?

Would someone actually do that?

I don't have a rebuttal for a proposition so pointless.

I'm talking about the "natural" way being the mother's egg and the father's sperm with no modifications in the pod to grow. Not the mother sleeping with the father getting pregnant and then removing the child.

So you've never been pregnant? It's far from pointless. You get the baby without the pain and bloating. Child birth isn't some magical experience with no downsides. 

Edit: not trying to be offensive. But almost always when I hear stuff about the "natural" way being the main way it should be done it's almost always from men or women who haven't give birth.

Well, no, I can say I've never been pregnant. I'm a male.

Why are you even talking to me about things that no one besides you are bringing up?

[Ryzaki]

I was simply asking out of curiosty.

If you don't want to answer say so.

Anyway I fully support the idea of Miranda like babies. As long as their not abused like Miranda was I don't see the problem. If someone wants to have children the way it's currently done that option is open to them.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 janvier 2012 - 02:55 .

[Skullheart]

Creating more humans like Miranda could be good, only if everyone ic capable of doing it.

The main problem is that it can create a big social gap, generating jealosly (from the naturals who can't affor it) and racism. A good analogy could be Gundam Seed (Naturals vs Coordinators)

[AgitatedLemon]

Skullheart wrote...

Creating more humans like Miranda could be good, only if everyone ic capable of doing it.

The main problem is that it can create a big social gap, generating jealosly (from the naturals who can't affor it) and racism. A good analogy could be Gundam Seed (Naturals vs Coordinators)

there's also this.


though I don't think racism is the right word, just prejudice.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 10 janvier 2012 - 03:03 .

[flemm]

Skullheart wrote...

Creating more humans like Miranda could be good, only if everyone ic capable of doing it.

The main problem is that it can create a big social gap, generating jealosly (from the naturals who can't affor it) and racism. A good analogy could be Gundam Seed (Naturals vs Coordinators)

Well, that would be the difference between Miranda and her father, essentially: he thought only of himself, whereas Miranda would have less selfish reasons. Basically, it would be the whole idea of "human advancement," as opposed to "human domination" coming to fruition.

(I know we've talked about this before, just thought I'd reiterate it.)

Modifié par flemm, 10 janvier 2012 - 03:03 .

[Ryzaki]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

Creating more humans like Miranda could be good, only if everyone ic capable of doing it.

The main problem is that it can create a big social gap, generating jealosly (from the naturals who can't affor it) and racism. A good analogy could be Gundam Seed (Naturals vs Coordinators)

there's also this.


though I don't think racism is the right word, just prejudice.

Prejudice already exists and will always exist. The victims will simply change.

I don't see that as a good reason to hold the human race as a whole back.

That said that doesn't mean those who choose not to augment their kids should have to deal with their kids being left in the cold. Laws and such like now should protect those less advanced then the rest of the species.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 janvier 2012 - 03:07 .