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[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
If you had to choose between Miranda having a large role in ME3 and her having a relationship with Oriana, which would you choose?

The large role. Miranda's impact on the big picture is more important, and in-world it would make sense that she focuses on the war instead of personal relationships.

[Melra]

Wow, I am really alone in this? Interesting.. Oh well, as much as I like seeing Miranda happy, I rather have her be happy with Shepard, than worry about her sister constantly. I personally see, that everything that's to be done was done during her loyalty mission.

If Miranda wants to go after her father, Shepard will support her, but I don't count that under the ''Oriana'' category. I want something else.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I want Miri to have a larger role.

Both may be possible if you allowed Miri to talk to her, though I may be wrong.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 26 juin 2011 - 06:50 .

[Melra]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Both may be possible if you allowed Miri to talk to her, though I may be wrong.

It wasn't about if it was possible to have both, it was that if you could choose in a situation where you have to choose one, not both, what would you choose.

[ViSeiRa]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

Again, flesh her out more! Let us know in more detail why she is who and like she is and by not just using the "She's like her father" excuse and yeah, I totally get what you're saying, too. It's the unknown variables that are the problem - that can be said for just about every character. As much as I'd like a "Character-Story," there's still a game to play - a galaxy )Earth) to save. (Btw, people are complaining about how she only changed her mind regarding TIM - defending it with bad writing of course)

It IS bad writing you know, I agree with you on the unknown variables, but Miranda showed no sign of doubt before the resignation, something should've come up, like two paths:

1- You take Miranda with you to Pragia, she finds evidence that TIM didn't actually sanction the experiments there but was well aware of the situation and let it go on because he thought it might bear fruit and if it didn't he can use his supposed lack of knowledge as an out.

2- If you didn't bring her she knows about this second hand from the mission report or better yet she doesn't find out at all and she won't resign at all whether you bring her to the final boss or not.

Either way they had to pave the way to her resignation, which I don't think is out of character but I think was rushed and baseless in the story.

Modifié par ViSeirA, 26 juin 2011 - 07:20 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Melrache wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Both may be possible if you allowed Miri to talk to her, though I may be wrong.

It wasn't about if it was possible to have both, it was that if you could choose in a situation where you have to choose one, not both, what would you choose.

I know I have to choose. And I want Miri to have a larger role. Miri may want to have a little less interaction with Oriana in ME3, due to the fact that Cerberus may be After her. 

So Miri wouldn't want Cerberus to go after Oriana. If they find Miri, they find Oriana, you know what I mean?

The least she could do is relocate her to where Cerberus has no intell or knowledge about.

I may be COMPLETELY WRONG.

And I love Miri to be at my side throughout the game.<3<3<3<3^_^


....What do you guys think?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 26 juin 2011 - 07:02 .

[13commander]

 Damn why can't we just get some Darn info about Miri ... the damn wait is making my brain itch 

[ZeroCrewX]

Rawke wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Rawke wrote...
Her (Miranda) body's not THAT far away from the original. I mean, put Yvonne in a catsuit and...well, you get the picture. Miranda's proportions are as feminine as it gets, but Yvonne isn't exactly flatchested or shaped androgynous either.

I know, what I'm saying is that she doesn't have Miranda's proportions and it would look odd with an exact head copy of Yvonne's head.

Another thought could be that her face was hard to work with and they had to make adjustments?  We aren't talking about the latest face modeling tech here either.

This is all speculation, Bioware won't say anything on that.
This discussion is starting to sound a little strange to me though...

Possible. I guess somethign would seem "off" if you don't do a full body mdel of her. I'm okay with her current face model though, the only thing that's annoying me personally is the light/shadow issue that makes a lof of unique face models in ME2 look sutpid.

Like Jacob's teeth or eyes? Hahaha he just looks so retarded at times! makes me rofl every time

[ZeroCrewX]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ZeroCrewX wrote...

jtav wrote...

Speaking of her father, it would be kind of neat for her father to deliver a Hannibal Lecture about how she's truly become his daughter after all (ruthlessness, pro-human, Lazarus) and she gets a Shut Up Hannibal.

You know... if Cerberus are indoctrinated in ME3 it brings up a reall cool plot twist regarding Miranda and her Father too

Ugh...I don't know what you're getting at, but we already have "indoctrinated Miranda" on our "things to avoid" list. Should she initially be an antagonist (she won't stay that way I'm sure), she should be one from her own will or because of being blackmailed by Cerberus with Oriana.

No you missed my point, what I meant was her loyalties to Cerberus would be tested to the max, it would also be an interesting plot of how exactly she handles this "betrayal"! As far as indoctrinated Miranda goes I seriously doubt that will happen.

[ViSeiRa]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Both may be possible if you allowed Miri to talk to her, though I may be wrong.

It wasn't about if it was possible to have both, it was that if you could choose in a situation where you have to choose one, not both, what would you choose.

I know I have to choose. And I want Miri to have a larger role. Miri may want to have a little less interaction with Oriana in ME3, due to the fact that Cerberus may be After her. 

So Miri wouldn't want Cerberus to go after Oriana. If they find Miri, they find Oriana, you know what I mean?

The least she could do is relocate her to where Cerberus has no intell or knowledge about.

I may be COMPLETELY WRONG.

And I love Miri to be at my side throughout the game.<3<3<3<3^_^


....What do you guys think?

Actually if they find Miri before Oriana then Oriana will be no longer in danger, and unfortunately in such case Miranda may get the Grayson treatment which is worse if you ask me than using her sister to turn her against Shepard or something along these lines...

As for wanting Miranda to have a bigger role or a better relationship with Oriana then I'll have to go with the former, Oriana will be in the story somehow but Miranda wants to be at the heart of the war with the reapers, her love for her sister dictates that she tries to leave her in a safe galaxy, so I don't think she'd sit around bonding when she can make a difference elsewhere.

[jtav]

Found this in the Kaidan thread. Had to share.



I'm in love

[Ieldra]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

No you missed my point, what I meant was her loyalties to Cerberus would be tested to the max, it would also be an interesting plot of how exactly she handles this "betrayal"! As far as indoctrinated Miranda goes I seriously doubt that will happen.

Ah...well. You do know that she resigns from Cerberus, telling that to TIM in no uncertain terms, if you destroy the Collector base and have you with her at the final boss? At least in those games, it makes sense that she isn't with Cerberus in ME3, and since she also disagrees with keeping the Collector base (don't get me started on that) and I don't think they'll use different starting points I suspect she won't be with Cerberus no matter what.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

ViSeirA wrote...


Actually if they find Miri before Oriana then Oriana will be no longer in danger, and unfortunately in such case Miranda may get the Grayson treatment which is worse if you ask me than using her sister to turn her against Shepard or something along these lines...

As for wanting Miranda to have a bigger role or a better relationship with Oriana then I'll have to go with the former, Oriana will be in the story somehow but Miranda wants to be at the heart of the war with the reapers, her love for her sister dictates that she tries to leave her in a safe galaxy, so I don't think she'd sit around bonding when she can make a difference elsewhere.

Did my point make little sense? 

Did anyone understand me this time?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 26 juin 2011 - 07:29 .

[ViSeiRa]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...


Actually if they find Miri before Oriana then Oriana will be no longer in danger, and unfortunately in such case Miranda may get the Grayson treatment which is worse if you ask me than using her sister to turn her against Shepard or something along these lines...

As for wanting Miranda to have a bigger role or a better relationship with Oriana then I'll have to go with the former, Oriana will be in the story somehow but Miranda wants to be at the heart of the war with the reapers, her love for her sister dictates that she tries to leave her in a safe galaxy, so I don't think she'd sit around bonding when she can make a difference elsewhere.

Did my point make little sense? 

Not that, it was reversed... Oriana is a pressure card against Miranda not the other way around, if they already have Miranda then they have numerous ways to force her to do their bidding so Oriana would be safe in such case.

I'd really like if problems with Oriana is dealt with in the background, before we even get a chance to meet Miranda, that way we avoid any Deja Vu and get to know more about Miranda from another part of her back-story.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

ViSeirA wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...


Actually if they find Miri before Oriana then Oriana will be no longer in danger, and unfortunately in such case Miranda may get the Grayson treatment which is worse if you ask me than using her sister to turn her against Shepard or something along these lines...

As for wanting Miranda to have a bigger role or a better relationship with Oriana then I'll have to go with the former, Oriana will be in the story somehow but Miranda wants to be at the heart of the war with the reapers, her love for her sister dictates that she tries to leave her in a safe galaxy, so I don't think she'd sit around bonding when she can make a difference elsewhere.

Did my point make little sense? 

Not that, it was reversed... Oriana is a pressure card against Miranda not the other way around, if they already have Miranda then they have numerous ways to force her to do their bidding so Oriana would be safe in such case.

I'd really like if problems with Oriana is dealt with in the background, before we even get a chance to meet Miranda, that way we avoid any Deja Vu and get to know more about Miranda from another part of her back-story.

Perhaps during the rest of the time period between ME2 and ME3, she secretly relocates Oriana again?

If that were to be the case, hopefully Miri was able to pull this off without Cerberus Intelligence tracking her.

I may be wrong again.


And where is everyone else?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 26 juin 2011 - 07:38 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

Found this in the Kaidan thread. Had to share.



I'm in love

Kaidan and Miranda! That's who I want to see on the ME3 cover along with Shepard. Only not *this* Shepard....let's say she's not my type and leave it at that.

[ViSeiRa]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...


Actually if they find Miri before Oriana then Oriana will be no longer in danger, and unfortunately in such case Miranda may get the Grayson treatment which is worse if you ask me than using her sister to turn her against Shepard or something along these lines...

As for wanting Miranda to have a bigger role or a better relationship with Oriana then I'll have to go with the former, Oriana will be in the story somehow but Miranda wants to be at the heart of the war with the reapers, her love for her sister dictates that she tries to leave her in a safe galaxy, so I don't think she'd sit around bonding when she can make a difference elsewhere.

Did my point make little sense? 

Not that, it was reversed... Oriana is a pressure card against Miranda not the other way around, if they already have Miranda then they have numerous ways to force her to do their bidding so Oriana would be safe in such case.

I'd really like if problems with Oriana is dealt with in the background, before we even get a chance to meet Miranda, that way we avoid any Deja Vu and get to know more about Miranda from another part of her back-story.

Perhaps during the rest of the time period between ME2 and ME3, she secretly relocates Oriana again?

If that were to be the case, hopefully Miri was able to pull this off without Cerberus Intelligence tracking her.

I may be wrong again.

And where is everyone else?

That'd be preferable, maybe even fake her death so Cerberus gets off her back for ever.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

We need more Pics. Miri and I match.<3<3<3<3^_^

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 26 juin 2011 - 07:42 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Sorry to go off topic, but which is better off for MaleSheps? Default? Custom?

I ALWAYS find something wrong with it. I have to go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, then back and forth again to fix it, and still no promising results for my taste.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 26 juin 2011 - 07:55 .

[Repearized Miranda]

ViSeirA wrote...

Repearized Miranda wrote...

Again, flesh her out more! Let us know in more detail why she is who and like she is and by not just using the "She's like her father" excuse and yeah, I totally get what you're saying, too. It's the unknown variables that are the problem - that can be said for just about every character. As much as I'd like a "Character-Story," there's still a game to play - a galaxy )Earth) to save. (Btw, people are complaining about how she only changed her mind regarding TIM - defending it with bad writing of course)

It IS bad writing you know, I agree with you on the unknown variables, but Miranda showed no sign of doubt before the resignation, something should've come up, like two paths:

1- You take Miranda with you to Pragia, she finds evidence that TIM didn't actually sanction the experiments there but was well aware of the situation and let it go on because he thought it might bear fruit and if it didn't he can use his supposed lack of knowledge as an out.

2- If you didn't bring her she knows about this second hand from the mission report or better yet she doesn't find out at all and she won't resign at all whether you bring her to the final boss or not.

Either way they had to pave the way to her resignation, which I don't think is out of character but I think was rushed and baseless in the story.

But does she need to give a reason for having done it? I didn't expect a "I know what you're up to," however, people do ask: "Why the change of heart," in which they may or not give a explanation for nor do they have to. It would have been worse if Miranda read TIM the riot act if you think about it. She has her reasons. People do say that and leave it alone! Just like TIM doesn't need to explain his motives to any and everybody nor does he. That's not bad writing. It's only bad because fans think they need to be spoon-fed everything. (I will not get into that)

[Ieldra]

Repearized Miranda wrote...
But does she need to give a reason for having done it? I didn't expect a "I know what you're up to," however, people do ask: "Why the change of heart," in which they may or not give a explanation for nor do they have to. It would have been worse if Miranda read TIM the riot act if you think about it. She has her reasons. People do say that and leave it alone! Just like TIM doesn't need to explain his motives to any and everybody nor does he. That's not bad writing. It's only bad because fans think they need to be spoon-fed everything. (I will not get into that)

I still think her resignation is pandering to Paragon players who wanted Miranda as their LI. They would have complained if their protagonists and their LIs end up in different factions in the end. The best piece of evidence I can offer is that the scene only happens if you take Miranda to the final boss. If you destroy the base and don't take Miranda there, she doesn't resign. The majority of all players will never see her resigning. That's why I think her resignation will be of little to no importance in ME3.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 juin 2011 - 08:17 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Sorry to go off topic, AND for posting it twice, but which is better off for MaleSheps? Default? Custom?

I ALWAYS find something wrong with it. I have to go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, then back and forth again to fix it, and still no promising results for my taste.

[jtav]

I think she'll have resigned regardless. Hope it goes better than Grayson's.

Do you think Miranda would ever use her relationships (actual relationships, not honey traps) for professional gain? Like passing something a lover told her in confidence to Cerberus?

[Td1984]

MisterJB wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

And even talking to her sister isn't a forced event like the interrupt, it was more of a suggestion and if she hasn't already considered it she wouldn't have done it... though I guess that said decision is gonna bring her more trouble in ME3, we saw how the shadow broker already knows about her and Oriana, and even though Liara is now the shadow broker there's no telling who he told about the info before he died... I rarely make her leave without talking to Oriana but I I reckon it'll bring us more trouble in ME3.

I disagree. The Shadow Broker could have sold the information to Mr.Lawson but I doubt. Not only that does not match what we learned about him, it's usually people who contact him to buy information, but we also know that he intended to have Miranda work for him. Oriana would be much more useful as a trump card.
And even if he did sell the info to Mr.Lawson, there should be records of it and Liara would be aware of it by now and could warn Miranda.

Cerberus can use Oriana's safety to blackmail Miranda regardless of the amount of contact between the sisters but having Oriana know Miranda beforehand could make the process smoother if she (Oriana) has to be evacuated during ME3.

This. After all, if you have Miranda talk to Oriana, in the event this occurs and Oriana (and her family need to be relocated again), Oriana will know who she is and be much quicker to trust her than she would be if you don't have Miri talk to her.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Do you think Miranda would ever use her relationships (actual relationships, not honey traps) for professional gain? Like passing something a lover told her in confidence to Cerberus?

It depends. I think she would not do such a thing for personal gain. But she might do it for an important cause if she considers is important enough.