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[MisterJB]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
RP Shep has some acting experience, but Miranda has not, so maybe he can show her what it's like.

I contest this. I think Miranda would have learned how to act so as to better manipulate her targets.

[AgitatedLemon]

MisterJB wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
RP Shep has some acting experience, but Miranda has not, so maybe he can show her what it's like.

I contest this. I think Miranda would have learned how to act so as to better manipulate her targets.

And?

I DID make clear that it was my RP Shepard/playthrough, did I not? And that I would change a trait or 2 of Miranda's without totally breaking her character.

[naledgeborn]

MisterJB wrote...

Took a bit of planning but I finished my "Humans-Only" playthrough.



This Shepard and Colonel Ashe would get along marvelously. I expect he will spend most of ME3 complaining about how he can't help Cerberus invade Sur'Kesh, Thessia, etc.
God, I hate him.

You are awesome. Can you zshare the save file for me?

[Td1984]

Other than having the rough childhood that comes with having been an Earthborn, I haven't really thought about my MaleShep's (named Thomas, after myself) interests, beyond that of survival. I have an outline of his background story that I finally came up with yesterday, but it's not overly detailed as I'm not making a Shep/Miranda fan-fic based on it.

[The Elder King]

CrutchCricket wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
Shepard is generally isn't particulary bright. He's a competent soldier and a charismatic leader, but in a lot of his options in the dialogues (and in some speech you can't change) he seems dumb.
Plus, I could role play a Shepard with a completely different view from mine own, that does decisions that I'd never approve. In that case, someone could not like him.

What? Where are you getting this "Shepard=dumb" thing? Examples please?

And yes you can roleplay someone different from yourself and potentially repugnant to you but to do so imost of the time? Seems a little strange.

In ME, there was the dialogue line with Sovereign that it's a machine, and machines could be destroyed. In ME3 there is "We fight or we die. That's the plan" or the line in the Sur'kesh demo "I'd like to" in response to the Krogan princess.  I don't remember now if there were some speech that Shepard said and that you can't change (I found a bit stupid when Shepard said to TIM in their first meeting "I thought I would meet you in person". A leader of an organization labeled as terrorist by the Coucil would meet a former Spectre that could've destroyed many operation of that organization?riiiiight). There were options in the dialogue wheel that you can avoid but that made Shepard looks dumb, at least in my opinion (choosing to kill Samara and let an asari that can nearly hypnotize people and kill them by mating on your ship? Morinth is respect the pact, but you can't know that), or pointing a gun to Zaeed in the Paragon persuasion in his LM (while the former suffered a phsicological trauma with a similar situation). One or two Paragon dialogues options in the dialogues with Mordin about the genophage (don't remember if on the Normandy or Tuchanka). Headbutting a Krogan.  There were others, but I don't remember all, and I'm tired at the moment. If you want to discuss about it, tomorrow I can send you a post about it.

[enayasoul]

The N7 option sounds like my kind of Shepard. He'd teach what he knows best. He hates politics or politicians rather. 

My Male Shep is also a bad dancer, okay singer. He'd try to impress her by singing to her as a way of "seduction" maybe? Just a thought... Miranda would probably laugh at him.

He can appreciate classical music but I think he'd be more into the fast beat type music in clubs and maybe some rock, like the group Foreigner.

Modifié par enayasoul, 10 janvier 2012 - 10:38 .

[Ryzaki]

Actually the headbutting a Krogan option was Shep being very observant and intelligent.

He (if you saved Wrex) could clearly see it was a gesture of dominance. It was a way to show Uvenk he considered himself above him and a nice way of saying STFU I'm in charge.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 janvier 2012 - 10:27 .

[AgitatedLemon]

hhh89 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
Shepard is generally isn't particulary bright. He's a competent soldier and a charismatic leader, but in a lot of his options in the dialogues (and in some speech you can't change) he seems dumb.
Plus, I could role play a Shepard with a completely different view from mine own, that does decisions that I'd never approve. In that case, someone could not like him.

What? Where are you getting this "Shepard=dumb" thing? Examples please?

And yes you can roleplay someone different from yourself and potentially repugnant to you but to do so imost of the time? Seems a little strange.

In ME, there was the dialogue line with Sovereign that it's a machine, and machines could be destroyed. In ME3 there is "We fight or we die. That's the plan" or the line in the Sur'kesh demo "I'd like to" in response to the Krogan princess.  I don't remember now if there were some speech that Shepard said and that you can't change (I found a bit stupid when Shepard said to TIM in their first meeting "I thought I would meet you in person". A leader of an organization labeled as terrorist by the Coucil would meet a former Spectre that could've destroyed many operation of that organization?riiiiight). There were options in the dialogue wheel that you can avoid but that made Shepard looks dumb, at least in my opinion (choosing to kill Samara and let an asari that can nearly hypnotize people and kill them by mating on your ship? Morinth is respect the pact, but you can't know that), or pointing a gun to Zaeed in the Paragon persuasion in his LM (while the former suffered a phsicological trauma with a similar situation). One or two Paragon dialogues options in the dialogues with Mordin about the genophage (don't remember if on the Normandy or Tuchanka). Headbutting a Krogan.  There were others, but I don't remember all, and I'm tired at the moment. If you want to discuss about it, tomorrow I can send you a post about it.

How does Shepard asking TIM why they weren't meeting in person dumb? 

Killing Samara and taking Morinth is a terrible example. By that logic, having renegade sex with Jack makes Shepard a gigolo.

Putting his gun to Zaeed's head. How is this dumb? I wouldn't let a man who could potentially stab me in the back (Literally) because I didn't help him out on my ship without showing him that I'M the one with the control.

Genophage dialogue. None of this is dumb. All of Shepard's points are valid. Mordin's are as well. By your logic, Mordin is the equivalent to Hitler or Pol Pot in that respect by deploying the genophage.

[AgitatedLemon]

enayasoul wrote...

The N7 option sounds like my kind of Shepard. He'd teach what he knows best. He hates politics or politicians rather. 

My Male Shep is also a bad dancer, okay singer. He'd try to impress her by singing to her as a way of "seduction" maybe? Just a thought... Miranda would probably laugh at him.

He can appreciate classical music but I think he'd be more into the fast beat type music in clubs and maybe some rock, like the group Foreigner.

My Shepard would do exactly the same thing.

Miranda would just scoff and say "What in the hell are you doing?"

But club music? Ick.

[The Elder King]

AgitatedLemon wrote...






How does Shepard asking TIM why they weren't meeting in person dumb? 

Killing Samara and taking Morinth is a terrible example. By that logic, having renegade sex with Jack makes Shepard a gigolo.

Putting his gun to Zaeed's head. How is this dumb? I wouldn't let a man who could potentially stab me in the back (Literally) because I didn't help him out on my ship without showing him that I'M the one with the control.

Genophage dialogue. None of this is dumb. All of Shepard's points are valid. Mordin's are as well. By your logic, Mordin is the equivalent to Hitler or Pol Pot in that respect by deploying the genophage.

1)Did you read my post? You have to think that TIM is stupid to meet you in person.
2)It's not the same thing. Again, why would you choose to allowing in your ship a person that as compulsion to mating (And killing her mates) and that can hypnotize you, withouth any proof that she can be trusted? If I were Morinth, I'd kill Shepard the moment after I killed Samara. The difference in power in hand-to hand combat or in a biotic combat it's obvious.
3)How threatening a person (that is immobilized) could convince that person to follow you? It's not like Shepard showed Zaeed that you're stronger than you.
4)I don't agree on the genophage, and even less with about the genophage 2.0. I said that some Paragon dialogues that Shepard said (again don't remember when, in the Normandy or on Tuchanka) made me thing that Shepard is stupid. But it's not the fact that ParaShep believes that genophage was wrong.

Ryzaki wrote...

Actually the headbutting a Krogan option was Shep being very observant and intelligent.

He
(if you saved Wrex) could clearly see it was a gesture of dominance. It
was a way to show Uvenk he considered himself above him and a nice way
of saying STFU I'm in charge.

It's not the reason why he did that I contest. Headbutting a Krogan, for a human, is stupid. And there is no proof that Shepard's implants makes him that much stronger.

[MisterJB]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
And?

I DID make clear that it was my RP Shepard/playthrough, did I not? And that I would change a trait or 2 of Miranda's without totally breaking her character.

So? If you had written that Miranda can't fire a submachine gun and Shepard gives her tips, I would contest it just the same.

[Ryzaki]

hhh89 wrote...
It's not the reason why he did that I contest. Headbutting a Krogan, for a human, is stupid. And there is no proof that Shepard's implants makes him that much stronger.

By that time Shep could've taken a Yahg in hand to hand. (One on One isn't accurate as Liara is the one who lands the final blow. )

And...yeah there's plenty of proof Shep's implants make him that much stronger. Read the heavy weave and muscle upgrades. Shep himself can notice his/her body is different ("I noticed a few upgrades. I hope you didn't replace anything really important.")

Plus Shep could've drank something that would've killed any other human at that point (Omega) and drank something that should've severely hurt him (Ryncol hits aliens like ground glass. (courtesy of Grunt).) and just gets a bit slurry from it before collasping and waking up perfectly fine.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 janvier 2012 - 10:51 .

[AgitatedLemon]

MisterJB wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
And?

I DID make clear that it was my RP Shepard/playthrough, did I not? And that I would change a trait or 2 of Miranda's without totally breaking her character.

So? If you had written that Miranda can't fire a submachine gun and Shepard gives her tips, I would contest it just the same.

So do you have a problem with me?

[The Elder King]

Ryzaki wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
It's not the
reason why he did that I contest. Headbutting a Krogan, for a human, is
stupid. And there is no proof that Shepard's implants makes him that
much stronger.

By that time Shep could've taken a
Yahg in hand to hand. (One on One isn't accurate as Liara is the one
who lands the final blow. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie])

And...yeah
there's plenty of proof Shep's implants make him that much stronger.
Read the heavy weave and muscle upgrades. Shep himself can notice
his/her body is different ("I noticed a few upgrades. I hope you didn't
replace anything really important.")

Plus Shep could've drank
something that would've killed any other human at that point (Omega) and
drank something that should've severely hurt him (Ryncol hits aliens
like ground glass. (courtesy of Grunt).) and just gets a bit slurry from
it before collasping and waking up perfectly fine.

Yes, they make him stronger. If you did the research (and while
it's stupid to not do them, they're still not required for that
interrupt). I was talking about the implants he had from the start of
ME2, when he woke up.
Where's the dialogue I bolded? It could be a bit differen with the Italian VO.

Modifié par hhh89, 10 janvier 2012 - 10:54 .

[MisterJB]

hhh89: It seems to me that most of your points come from options that Shepard doesn't have to take.
For example, it is incredibly stupid for Shepard to be surprised that asari can mate with each other. Solution: don't pick that option when it appears. The same applies to Morinth.

There are other options that make Shepard sound smart. For example, outsmarting Read Admiral Mikalovich by having him inspect the Normandy in an unnoficial matter.
Having Shepard be the one who suggests making him a Spectre after Saren has been proven a traitor.
Break into Hock's vault without firing a single shot.
Convince Jeong that Feros can be good publicity.
Convince that Asari in ME2 to employ the Quarian slave.
Among others.

[MisterJB]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
So do you have a problem with me?

With you, personally? Not particularly though you appear to be easily angered.

[AgitatedLemon]

1)Did you read my post? You have to think that TIM is stupid to meet you in person.
2)It's not the same thing. Again, why would you choose to allowing in your ship a person that as compulsion to mating (And killing her mates) and that can hypnotize you, withouth any proof that she can be trusted? If I were Morinth, I'd kill Shepard the moment after I killed Samara. The difference in power in hand-to hand combat or in a biotic combat it's obvious.
3)How threatening a person (that is immobilized) could convince that person to follow you? It's not like Shepard showed Zaeed that you're stronger than you.
4)I don't agree on the genophage, and even less with about the genophage 2.0. I said that some Paragon dialogues that Shepard said (again don't remember when, in the Normandy or on Tuchanka) made me thing that Shepard is stupid. But it's not the fact that ParaShep believes that genophage was wrong.

1. Subjective.

2. Is this really even debatable?

3. By NOT going after Vido, Zaeed has every reason in the world to want to kill Shepard, as seen by him shoving his assault rifle in Shepard's face.

4. I don't even know what you're talking about.

[AgitatedLemon]

MisterJB wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
So do you have a problem with me?

With you, personally? Not particularly though you appear to be easily angered.

Well, when someone's example of a "smart retort" is something as stupid as your SMG bit, then yeah, it's kind of irritating.

You don't see me contesting something in your RP's and then go "Har Har you must also think the sky is red"

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 10 janvier 2012 - 10:56 .

[Ryzaki]

hhh89 wrote..
Yes, they make him stronger. If you did the research (and while
it's stupid to not do them, they're still not required for that
interrupt). I was talking about the implants he had from the start of
ME2, when he woke up.
Where's the dialogue I bolded? It could be a bit differen with the Italian VO.

It's one of the renegade options when Shep first meets TIM.

Those implants still make him able to take on a Yahg in hand to hand. So headbutting a Krogan isn't that strange.

[MisterJB]

AgitatedLemon: Continuing this discussion would be most unwise. Honestly, I can't see it leading anywhere pleasant or interesting.

Modifié par MisterJB, 10 janvier 2012 - 11:00 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Then why did you bother starting it?

To get back on topic: My Shepard also likes video games about as much as I do, so he may try to se if it's something she may care for. Almost definitely not, but hey, it won;t hurt to try.

[The Elder King]

MisterJB wrote...

hhh89: It seems to me that most of your points come from options that Shepard doesn't have to take.
For example, it is incredibly stupid for Shepard to be surprised that asari can mate with each other. Solution: don't pick that option when it appears. The same applies to Morinth.

There are other options that make Shepard sound smart. For example, outsmarting Read Admiral Mikalovich by having him inspect the Normandy in an unnoficial matter.
Having Shepard be the one who suggests making him a Spectre after Saren has been proven a traitor.
Break into Hock's vault without firing a single shot.
Convince Jeong that Feros can be good publicity.
Convince that Asari in ME2 to employ the Quarian slave.
Among others.

I already said in my first post that most of the things I think that makes Shepard dumb are option. Howewer there are some line that you can't avoid. Since they asked me, I posted both.

AgitatedLemon wrote...



1. Subjective.

2. Is this really even debatable?

3.
By NOT going after Vido, Zaeed has every reason in the world to want to
kill Shepard, as seen by him shoving his assault rifle in Shepard's
face.

4. I don't even know what you're talking about.

1 Then Shepard thought that TIM was an idiot. I think Shepard is stupid on thinking than Cerberus's leader would be stupid to meet him in person
2 What? Morinth's superiorty in biotics?
3?I agree. But what Shepard did to convince him in the Paragon persuasion isn't very bright. What he shown to Zaeed? Tha he can kill him when he can't move?

[AgitatedLemon]

@hhh

Shepard is telling Zaeed (Without using words) "I'm not going to take any lip from you. If you have a problem with the way I do things, then that's your own damn business."

And because Morinth is a more powerful biotic than Shepard means what? Soldier Shepard is better at firearms and hand to hand combat, most likely. Engi Shepard is a better mechanic and scientist. So what? Is it really debatable?

[Ryzaki]

I always thought picking Morinth over Samara was ridiculous for my Sheps.

A clever renegade Shep could figure out how to use Samara's code against her.

Meanwhile there's no guarantee Morinth won't decide to snack on one of the crew. And Kelly would end up being Ardat Yakshi (or however it's spelled) chow in about .5 seconds.

Too much of a damn headache. At least Samara's code makes her predictable.

[AgitatedLemon]

@Ry

I'm not sure how much Shepard even knows of the Justicar code. He;s shown no evidence of knowing about their existence prior to Samara, and he never really asks that many questions regarding the Code (The only one I remember is "What does the Code say about killing?")