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[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...
A blue alien with a conventional psychology tends to be more acceptable - to say nothing of more politically correct - than a morally questionable operative with no sign of changing her ways.

Miranda in a movie can only end badly for her. She'll end up derailed or dead.

May I question how "morally questionable" Miranda really is (or would be in the context of a movie looking at ME2)? The whole thing with her origins probably wouldn't come up as much in a movie and that would probably come across as the most uncoventional anyway. Otherwise they can upplay the resignation while avoiding that line you despise so much.

I'm not denying it's rather unlikely they'll do this right. But it is possible if you have the right people.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 11 janvier 2012 - 05:58 .

[flemm]

Well, all characters start with some basic trope, but the great ones transcend their origins.

With Miranda, we know what the "humble beginnings" were: the femme fatale.

What jtav is describing would be the death of Miranda, suffocated at last by the trope that was used to create her. That could easily happen in a movie (or, even, in the game).

I don't think that's what's happening in the leaked script, though. About that, at least, I think we can be pleased.

Modifié par flemm, 11 janvier 2012 - 06:07 .

[AgitatedLemon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
A blue alien with a conventional psychology tends to be more acceptable - to say nothing of more politically correct - than a morally questionable operative with no sign of changing her ways.

Miranda in a movie can only end badly for her. She'll end up derailed or dead.

May I question how "morally questionable" Miranda really is (or would be in the context of a movie looking at ME2)? The whole thing with her origins probably wouldn't come up as much in a movie and that would probably come across as the most uncoventional anyway. Otherwise they can upplay the resignation while avoiding that line you despise so much.

I'm not denying it's rather unlikely they'll do this right. But it is possible if you have the right people.

They'll likely do the same as they did to Mrs. Gillespie in the SH movie, except they'll do the exact opposite. I know I posted something similar earlier.

Just replace the words "Psycho b*tch" with "Morally ambiguous" and "One of the main villains" with "Deuteragonist".

I can't name a single protagonist/deuteragonist/tritagonist/whatever in film that has ever had a "happy" ending.

edit: I mean a protagonist that's been described as morally ambiguous.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 11 janvier 2012 - 08:56 .

[nitefyre410]

The best thing they could do for the Live action movie is may set it in the future after the original Mass Effect Trilogy where you can some of the longer lived characters appear playing a different type of role.

Now the Anime they should be fine depending on who is writing... I trust T/O and Funimation more than I trust any hollywood studio.

[AgitatedLemon]

I was playing through Gears of War 2 again (Great game btw), and one scene in particular during the single player caught my eye. I'll avoid major spoilers, but Dom (Deuteragonist) finds his wife, Maria, in the hands of the Locust. the scene is incredibly heavy, and the ending is very sad.

What does this have to do with anything? Well, considering one of Miranda's outcomes in ME3 is *redacted*, I drew some similarities. Just replace "Maria" with "Miranda" and "Dom" with "Shepard"

I'll never put myself to *redacted*, but I hope it plays out like the scene in Gears did, for the emotional impact (People who say Gears can't form an emotional SP are blind). Of course, Miranda doesn't have to be in the same state Maria in the video is, but similar enough to invoke the same kind of dread and sadness, and that you truly feel the loss that Dom does in his scene.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 11 janvier 2012 - 06:37 .

[jtav]

Spoilers, Lemon. Not everyone wants to know that yet.

[AgitatedLemon]

I fixed it.

I think.

[Dr. Doctor]

@ Lemon

Gears of War 3's story was written by Karen Traviss. She's one of the better writers of military science fiction today. If you liked that games story I recommend her novel City of Pearl.

[Ghost Warrior]

jtav wrote...

Putting aside my attachment to the character, Miranda is the natural choice to be killed off in a filmed suicide mission for your average screenwriter. She has a large role, increasing audience attachment, but she's an obstacle to whatever romance is established in ME1. Her function would be as temptress figure to be redeemed by our hero. But redemption equals death. So, she'd resign and die immediately afterward, and we'd get an epilogue of Shepard telling Oriana how much Miranda loved her.

Do you really want to see that?

Sounds good. Saw it a million times,but I still like it.

[AgitatedLemon]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

@ Lemon

Gears of War 3's story was written by Karen Traviss. She's one of the better writers of military science fiction today. If you liked that games story I recommend her novel City of Pearl.

I know. I was just stating my opinion on how I'd like a certain thing in ME3 to happen, even if I couldn't bring myself to see it.

Besides, my statement was directed primarily towards the 2nd game.

I'm curious, how does anyone else feel? Does that video accurately sum it up?

[jtav]

Can I derail my own thread for a minute? Would those of you who like Portrait go for a short story jumping straight to the romantic part of the story and the revelation of Miranda's identity? I love the characters but am suffering from severe burnout.

[Dr. Doctor]

@jtav

Sounds good to me.

[Ieldra]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
@ Lemon

Gears of War 3's story was written by Karen Traviss. She's one of the better writers of military science fiction today. If you liked that games story I recommend her novel City of Pearl.

Yep. The whole "Tales of the Wess'har Wars" cycle is great, though I know nothing about Gears of War and any possible similarities therein with Miranda's situation.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Can I derail my own thread for a minute? Would those of you who like Portrait go for a short story jumping straight to the romantic part of the story and the revelation of Miranda's identity? I love the characters but am suffering from severe burnout.

OK with me. I don't know what you had planned originally, but that revelation is due shortly anyway.

[android654]

jtav wrote...

Can I derail my own thread for a minute? Would those of you who like Portrait go for a short story jumping straight to the romantic part of the story and the revelation of Miranda's identity? I love the characters but am suffering from severe burnout.

I've only got to chapter 5, and am liking it so far. I'd like to read anything you've writeen if its of the same quality of the story so far.

[flemm]

Well, I think Miranda's writer for ME3 understands Redemption = Death, and that this is the cliché ending for the femme fatale (one of two, actually, but the relevant one here).

What's... clever about what I'm seeing in the script is that, I think, essentially, the more support you give the character, the more she is able to transcend the cliché. That's where player agency comes in.

Modifié par flemm, 11 janvier 2012 - 07:21 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...
@ Lemon

Gears of War 3's story was written by Karen Traviss. She's one of the better writers of military science fiction today. If you liked that games story I recommend her novel City of Pearl.

Yep. The whole "Tales of the Wess'har Wars" cycle is great, though I know nothing about Gears of War and any possible similarities therein with Miranda's situation.

The video snippet I included is a decent (I feel) comparison.

edit: A decent comparison to one of Miranda's possible outcomes anyway.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 11 janvier 2012 - 07:22 .

[AgitatedLemon]

flemm wrote...

Well, I think Miranda's writer for ME3 understands Redemption = Death, and that this is the cliché ending for the femme fatale (one of two, actually, but the relevant one here).

What's... clever about what I'm seeing in the script is that, I think, essentially, the more support you give the character, the more she is able to transcend the cliché. That's where player agency comes in.

In regards to your second paragraph--


Yes, lest BioWare is willing to take the gunfire and shrapnel that is the internet if they disappoint anyone.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 11 janvier 2012 - 08:25 .

[Dr. Doctor]

Judging from the leak, while there is the ability to invoke the redemption = death trope it seems like its pretty easy to avoid.

As for the Bioware internet fallout shelter, the only game that they ever disappointed me with was Dragon Age II. Excellent story, characters, and a protagonist that puts Shepard to shame, but the gameplay wasn't up to par.

[wright1978]

flemm wrote...

wright1978 wrote...
Well for me her main mission better have been missing in the leak. If that's the case i'll give the lame re-use of the plot hook in the 1st mission a pass.

Well, in fairness, the mission in the leak is not so much a repeat of the Loyalty Mission as it is the completion of it: it goes farther and seemingly has a finality to it, as far as Miranda's personal issues are concerned. For that very reason, though, it must be the stepping stone to other things.

The best that can be said is that it is an extension of the loyalty mission. As a stepping stone to her proper role i'll consider a weak but acceptable excuse to keep her out of the picture for a significant portion of the game.

[AgitatedLemon]

wright1978 wrote...

flemm wrote...

wright1978 wrote...
Well for me her main mission better have been missing in the leak. If that's the case i'll give the lame re-use of the plot hook in the 1st mission a pass.

Well, in fairness, the mission in the leak is not so much a repeat of the Loyalty Mission as it is the completion of it: it goes farther and seemingly has a finality to it, as far as Miranda's personal issues are concerned. For that very reason, though, it must be the stepping stone to other things.

The best that can be said is that it is an extension of the loyalty mission. As a stepping stone to her proper role i'll consider a weak but acceptable excuse to keep her out of the picture for a significant portion of the game.

That's a main reason for my cynicism regarding the whole thing.

If they turn her mission flow from "Shepard I need your help" to "Thanks Shepard, now I'm off to go do whatever and not ever contact you again for the remainder of the game", I'm going to do this--

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 11 janvier 2012 - 09:47 .

[flemm]

wright1978 wrote...
The best that can be said is that it is an extension of the loyalty mission. As a stepping stone to her proper role i'll consider a weak but acceptable excuse to keep her out of the picture for a significant portion of the game.

Noted

And yes, that's what it is, in large part. Which is one reason why the ending needs to be awesome.

Modifié par flemm, 11 janvier 2012 - 09:40 .

[MisterJB]

I think people are giving too little credit to Miranda's mission. Were it to happen in some random planet, in a random base that was governed only by Mr.Lawson and forced Shepard to go out of his way to do it, then yes. One could honestly claim that it would be an extension of Miranda's LM and little else.
However, despite having the obvious plothook of Oriana and a final confrontation with Mr.Lawson, it happens on one of the most important locations of the game. There will even be references to that place before we go there and Miranda is doing more than simply rescuing Oriana and dealing with her father.

Personally, I feel that Bioware did a good job mesclin Miranda's personal issues that had to be dealt with and her contribution to the greater war.
Since the leak even appears to be incomplete, I think there are reasons to be somewhat optimistic.

Modifié par MisterJB, 11 janvier 2012 - 09:59 .

[Td1984]

CrutchCricket wrote...

This may have been brought up before, but do any of you have "jump ship" conditions? Like if x happens, you're done with the character? I don't personally but I suspect some of you do.

I agree with what has already been said, in that if she became a "damsel in distress", which according to the leaked script she is not, then I would jump ship. Like I said though, it doesn't appear that will be the case.

EDIT: Also recast or unavoidable death would cause me to jump ship as well. Luckily I'm not doing my canon run starting with ME1 until after ME3 comes out, so I'll know what's going to happen in regards to Miranda and if any of those 3 conditions occur, I won't romance Miranda in ME2.

Modifié par Td1984, 11 janvier 2012 - 10:18 .

[nitefyre410]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I was playing through Gears of War 2 again (Great game btw), and one scene in particular during the single player caught my eye. I'll avoid major spoilers, but Dom (Deuteragonist) finds his wife, Maria, in the hands of the Locust. the scene is incredibly heavy, and the ending is very sad.

What does this have to do with anything? Well, considering one of Miranda's outcomes in ME3 is *redacted*, I drew some similarities. Just replace "Maria" with "Miranda" and "Dom" with "Shepard"

I'll never put myself to *redacted*, but I hope it plays out like the scene in Gears did, for the emotional impact (People who say Gears can't form an emotional SP are blind). Of course, Miranda doesn't have to be in the same state Maria in the video is, but similar enough to invoke the same kind of dread and sadness, and that you truly feel the loss that Dom does in his scene.

   


This scene has to be on the stand out scenes I have  in ages... the writing and the set up with the  score done by Steve Jablowsky who just is amazing.   I would love   too see something like  that  but  not many would be able to deal with  that... hell most could not even understand why Dom did what  he did ... I have seen many of agruements that have called  Dom weak... yes weak for what he did  in his. 

I would have this play out as one of same ways this with  Huskification of some kind ... I  wish was one scene in the main ME 2 quest line and gut punching as that... Now oldly enough you get  that kind of impact in the  Loyality Missions.  Miranda's and Mordins, Samara's  too but not the main questline.