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[AgitatedLemon]

nitefyre410 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I was playing through Gears of War 2 again (Great game btw), and one scene in particular during the single player caught my eye. I'll avoid major spoilers, but Dom (Deuteragonist) finds his wife, Maria, in the hands of the Locust. the scene is incredibly heavy, and the ending is very sad.

What does this have to do with anything? Well, considering one of Miranda's outcomes in ME3 is *redacted*, I drew some similarities. Just replace "Maria" with "Miranda" and "Dom" with "Shepard"

I'll never put myself to *redacted*, but I hope it plays out like the scene in Gears did, for the emotional impact (People who say Gears can't form an emotional SP are blind). Of course, Miranda doesn't have to be in the same state Maria in the video is, but similar enough to invoke the same kind of dread and sadness, and that you truly feel the loss that Dom does in his scene.

   


This scene has to be on the stand out scenes I have  in ages... the writing and the set up with the  score done by Steve Jablowsky who just is amazing.   I would love   too see something like  that  but  not many would be able to deal with  that... hell most could not even understand why Dom did what  he did ... I have seen many of agruements that have called  Dom weak... yes weak for what he did  in his. 

I would have this play out as one of same ways this with  Huskification of some kind ... I  wish was one scene in the main ME 2 quest line and gut punching as that... Now oldly enough you get  that kind of impact in the  Loyality Missions.  Miranda's and Mordins, Samara's  too but not the main questline.

Wait, people called Dom weak for doing that? I'd call him weak for NOT doing it.

But yeah, the main story missions needed more emotion to them. They had the overarching "We're f*cked if we don't do this" vibe, but that's so horrendously cliche that it ceases to instill anything in me.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 11 janvier 2012 - 10:21 .

[jtav]

It really is "base or bust" with Miranda. Her current mission is mechanically redundant. Not only that, but the important part happens even if she's dead. There are strong thematic arguments for her involvement concluding in a satisfactory way, but no hard evidence and some circumstantial evidence against it.

[Dariansarr]

android654 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I'd really like it if they made the ME movie using CGI similar to the ME2 Blur trailer. The biggest worry I have is that there has never been a good video game movie.

I can't stand CGI trailers for games. The games never live up them. I'm looking at you Sacred Ashes Trailer...



I still want that version of Morrigan and Sten, and Leliana could've been more aggressive like in that trailer.

All the Blur trailer did was ****** me off that Thane didn't have SNTD (Super Ninja Take Downs).

Have you seen the new trailer for the new Resident Evil ? Talking about not living up to a trailer

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

It really is "base or bust" with Miranda. Her current mission is mechanically redundant. Not only that, but the important part happens even if she's dead. There are strong thematic arguments for her involvement concluding in a satisfactory way, but no hard evidence and some circumstantial evidence against it.

Wait, what?

Why?

[AgitatedLemon]

@nitefyre

Tell me this music would be perfect for a scene like that as well.

[nitefyre410]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I was playing through Gears of War 2 again (Great game btw), and one scene in particular during the single player caught my eye. I'll avoid major spoilers, but Dom (Deuteragonist) finds his wife, Maria, in the hands of the Locust. the scene is incredibly heavy, and the ending is very sad.

What does this have to do with anything? Well, considering one of Miranda's outcomes in ME3 is *redacted*, I drew some similarities. Just replace "Maria" with "Miranda" and "Dom" with "Shepard"

I'll never put myself to *redacted*, but I hope it plays out like the scene in Gears did, for the emotional impact (People who say Gears can't form an emotional SP are blind). Of course, Miranda doesn't have to be in the same state Maria in the video is, but similar enough to invoke the same kind of dread and sadness, and that you truly feel the loss that Dom does in his scene.

   


This scene has to be on the stand out scenes I have  in ages... the writing and the set up with the  score done by Steve Jablowsky who just is amazing.   I would love   too see something like  that  but  not many would be able to deal with  that... hell most could not even understand why Dom did what  he did ... I have seen many of agruements that have called  Dom weak... yes weak for what he did  in his. 

I would have this play out as one of same ways this with  Huskification of some kind ... I  wish was one scene in the main ME 2 quest line and gut punching as that... Now oldly enough you get  that kind of impact in the  Loyality Missions.  Miranda's and Mordins, Samara's  too but not the main questline.

Wait, people called Dom weak for doing that? I'd call him weak for NOT doing it.

But yeah, the main story missions needed more emotion to them. They had the overarching "We're f*cked if we don't do this" vibe, but that's so horrendously cliche that it ceases to instill anything in me.

 


Yes I  have seen  people say that   about that scene  - true story. Even said that  that it was the worst scene in the game and  they did not understand why he even did...   

Honestly I would love to see something done like the Boss's  last scene at end of the Metal Gear Solid 3. 

[android654]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I was playing through Gears of War 2 again (Great game btw), and one scene in particular during the single player caught my eye. I'll avoid major spoilers, but Dom (Deuteragonist) finds his wife, Maria, in the hands of the Locust. the scene is incredibly heavy, and the ending is very sad.

What does this have to do with anything? Well, considering one of Miranda's outcomes in ME3 is *redacted*, I drew some similarities. Just replace "Maria" with "Miranda" and "Dom" with "Shepard"

I'll never put myself to *redacted*, but I hope it plays out like the scene in Gears did, for the emotional impact (People who say Gears can't form an emotional SP are blind). Of course, Miranda doesn't have to be in the same state Maria in the video is, but similar enough to invoke the same kind of dread and sadness, and that you truly feel the loss that Dom does in his scene.

   


This scene has to be on the stand out scenes I have  in ages... the writing and the set up with the  score done by Steve Jablowsky who just is amazing.   I would love   too see something like  that  but  not many would be able to deal with  that... hell most could not even understand why Dom did what  he did ... I have seen many of agruements that have called  Dom weak... yes weak for what he did  in his. 

I would have this play out as one of same ways this with  Huskification of some kind ... I  wish was one scene in the main ME 2 quest line and gut punching as that... Now oldly enough you get  that kind of impact in the  Loyality Missions.  Miranda's and Mordins, Samara's  too but not the main questline.

Wait, people called Dom weak for doing that? I'd call him weak for NOT doing it.

But yeah, the main story missions needed more emotion to them. They had the overarching "We're f*cked if we don't do this" vibe, but that's so horrendously cliche that it ceases to instill anything in me.

I have an issue with this playing out in ME3. The only "emotional" scene we've actually seen from the beta gameplay is

*SPOILERS*


Shepard trying to console a small child in an air vent  before running off with Anderson. It simply didn't work, or maybe its because I don't care for children? Either way kid in vent and Shepard tries to calm him down before he crawls into the shadows and I believe the building falls after Shepard exits.


*SPOILERS*


When I saw that scene, it felt like Bioware trying to insert some emotion into the scene, and I didn't feel it at all. Maybe it has to do with the placing of the scene, and having a shoot out only seconds before an emotional scene with an unknown character doesn't work? If the emotional scenes are ham fisted then it wont really matter what happens to which character, because it'll feel rather bland and it could've been anyone other than a character you're attached to.

What I'm getting at is, the pacing of a story is way more important to the actual presentation of it than its contents. You can have Shepard and Miranda have the most emotional scenes right before you have to make a gut wrenching choice but the delivery has to match the gravity of the situation

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I was playing through Gears of War 2 again (Great game btw), and one scene in particular during the single player caught my eye. I'll avoid major spoilers, but Dom (Deuteragonist) finds his wife, Maria, in the hands of the Locust. the scene is incredibly heavy, and the ending is very sad.

What does this have to do with anything? Well, considering one of Miranda's outcomes in ME3 is *redacted*, I drew some similarities. Just replace "Maria" with "Miranda" and "Dom" with "Shepard"

I'll never put myself to *redacted*, but I hope it plays out like the scene in Gears did, for the emotional impact (People who say Gears can't form an emotional SP are blind). Of course, Miranda doesn't have to be in the same state Maria in the video is, but similar enough to invoke the same kind of dread and sadness, and that you truly feel the loss that Dom does in his scene.

   


This scene has to be on the stand out scenes I have  in ages... the writing and the set up with the  score done by Steve Jablowsky who just is amazing.   I would love   too see something like  that  but  not many would be able to deal with  that... hell most could not even understand why Dom did what  he did ... I have seen many of agruements that have called  Dom weak... yes weak for what he did  in his. 

I would have this play out as one of same ways this with  Huskification of some kind ... I  wish was one scene in the main ME 2 quest line and gut punching as that... Now oldly enough you get  that kind of impact in the  Loyality Missions.  Miranda's and Mordins, Samara's  too but not the main questline.

Wait, people called Dom weak for doing that? I'd call him weak for NOT doing it.

But yeah, the main story missions needed more emotion to them. They had the overarching "We're f*cked if we don't do this" vibe, but that's so horrendously cliche that it ceases to instill anything in me.

I have an issue with this playing out in ME3. The only "emotional" scene we've actually seen from the beta gameplay is

*snip*


When I saw that scene, it felt like Bioware trying to insert some emotion into the scene, and I didn't feel it at all. Maybe it has to do with the placing of the scene, and having a shoot out only seconds before an emotional scene with an unknown character doesn't work? If the emotional scenes are ham fisted then it wont really matter what happens to which character, because it'll feel rather bland and it could've been anyone other than a character you're attached to.

What I'm getting at is, the pacing of a story is way more important to the actual presentation of it than its contents. You can have Shepard and Miranda have the most emotional scenes right before you have to make a gut wrenching choice but the delivery has to match the gravity of the situation

I know, hence my choosing of a specific point in the game, where it WOULD be appropriate.

edit: I'm not sure if you read my first post before I took out the spoilers. If you did, then you should understand why I chose that specific point in the plot. If not, I can PM you what I meant originally.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 11 janvier 2012 - 10:34 .

[Whyp_2]

(Asked probably a million times, but asks anyway)

Does the Miri romance turn out good? Are you satisfied with the out come of it? Or are you disappointed?

If someone could answer, it would be very much appreciated

[nitefyre410]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

@nitefyre

Tell me this music would be perfect for a scene like that as well.

 

oh that would be  nice 

I like this piece it was done by the same composer that did the music for Gear of War 2  

Steve Jablowsky -  No Prisioners,  only Trophies 



@Android  

To what your  point   -  I have always said that if you story lack emotional impact from the start  and an emotional tone  trying to force it in is going to very hard. Lets take the scene with Dom finding his wife in GoW  2  that was set up in  first game because you know that  he was searching for her ... so the feed  you with clues and such. Now with the child that  Shepard is trying to save and he see's  then shuttle destoryed there still is a bit of disconnect. Now lets say if Shepard found the child  going the process of  huskification and brings him to the   Normandy  with  nothing that  Chakwas can do for him.   Shepard sits  there with for the last moments as Chakwas give that child something that  well you get that point...   then that would be kick  in gut. If that did tug on heart then  I don't know what will. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 11 janvier 2012 - 10:44 .

[android654]

Whyp_2 wrote...

(Asked probably a million times, but asks anyway)

Does the Miri romance turn out good? Are you satisfied with the out come of it? Or are you disappointed?

If someone could answer, it would be very much appreciated

Its very much what you would expect from someone like Miraanda.

Dariansarr wrote...

android654 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I'd really like it if they made the ME movie using CGI similar to the ME2 Blur trailer. The biggest worry I have is that there has never been a good video game movie.

I can't stand CGI trailers for games. The games never live up them. I'm looking at you Sacred Ashes Trailer...



I still want that version of Morrigan and Sten, and Leliana could've been more aggressive like in that trailer.

All the Blur trailer did was ****** me off that Thane didn't have SNTD (Super Ninja Take Downs).

Have you seen the new trailer for the new Resident Evil ? Talking about not living up to a trailer

I'm watching it right now, and I've never been one to be compelled to play a zombie game before, but this trailer could come close to tricking me. But only close.

[ThomGau]

Whyp_2 wrote...

(Asked probably a million times, but asks anyway)

Does the Miri romance turn out good? Are you satisfied with the out come of it? Or are you disappointed?

If someone could answer, it would be very much appreciated

It was asked quite a few times indeed .

Well from what we read, we all seemed agree on the fact that the romance is carried over well . The writing is definitely better than in ME2, way more emotional .

Modifié par ThomGau, 11 janvier 2012 - 10:42 .

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

Whyp_2 wrote...

(Asked probably a million times, but asks anyway)

Does the Miri romance turn out good? Are you satisfied with the out come of it? Or are you disappointed?

If someone could answer, it would be very much appreciated

Its very much what you would expect from someone like Miraanda.

Dariansarr wrote...

android654 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I'd really like it if they made the ME movie using CGI similar to the ME2 Blur trailer. The biggest worry I have is that there has never been a good video game movie.

I can't stand CGI trailers for games. The games never live up them. I'm looking at you Sacred Ashes Trailer...



I still want that version of Morrigan and Sten, and Leliana could've been more aggressive like in that trailer.

All the Blur trailer did was ****** me off that Thane didn't have SNTD (Super Ninja Take Downs).

Have you seen the new trailer for the new Resident Evil ? Talking about not living up to a trailer

I'm watching it right now, and I've never been one to be compelled to play a zombie game before, but this trailer could come close to tricking me. But only close.

Different people have different expectations of the character. What's your take?

And shame on you for not playing Dead Rising or Left 4 Dead.

[MisterJB]

The romance in ME3 is all kinds of awesome.

[jtav]

Romance is very good. It's the professional I worry about.

[android654]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

android654 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I was playing through Gears of War 2 again (Great game btw), and one scene in particular during the single player caught my eye. I'll avoid major spoilers, but Dom (Deuteragonist) finds his wife, Maria, in the hands of the Locust. the scene is incredibly heavy, and the ending is very sad.

What does this have to do with anything? Well, considering one of Miranda's outcomes in ME3 is *redacted*, I drew some similarities. Just replace "Maria" with "Miranda" and "Dom" with "Shepard"

I'll never put myself to *redacted*, but I hope it plays out like the scene in Gears did, for the emotional impact (People who say Gears can't form an emotional SP are blind). Of course, Miranda doesn't have to be in the same state Maria in the video is, but similar enough to invoke the same kind of dread and sadness, and that you truly feel the loss that Dom does in his scene.

   


This scene has to be on the stand out scenes I have  in ages... the writing and the set up with the  score done by Steve Jablowsky who just is amazing.   I would love   too see something like  that  but  not many would be able to deal with  that... hell most could not even understand why Dom did what  he did ... I have seen many of agruements that have called  Dom weak... yes weak for what he did  in his. 

I would have this play out as one of same ways this with  Huskification of some kind ... I  wish was one scene in the main ME 2 quest line and gut punching as that... Now oldly enough you get  that kind of impact in the  Loyality Missions.  Miranda's and Mordins, Samara's  too but not the main questline.

Wait, people called Dom weak for doing that? I'd call him weak for NOT doing it.

But yeah, the main story missions needed more emotion to them. They had the overarching "We're f*cked if we don't do this" vibe, but that's so horrendously cliche that it ceases to instill anything in me.

I have an issue with this playing out in ME3. The only "emotional" scene we've actually seen from the beta gameplay is

*snip*


When I saw that scene, it felt like Bioware trying to insert some emotion into the scene, and I didn't feel it at all. Maybe it has to do with the placing of the scene, and having a shoot out only seconds before an emotional scene with an unknown character doesn't work? If the emotional scenes are ham fisted then it wont really matter what happens to which character, because it'll feel rather bland and it could've been anyone other than a character you're attached to.

What I'm getting at is, the pacing of a story is way more important to the actual presentation of it than its contents. You can have Shepard and Miranda have the most emotional scenes right before you have to make a gut wrenching choice but the delivery has to match the gravity of the situation

I know, hence my choosing of a specific point in the game, where it WOULD be appropriate.

edit: I'm not sure if you read my first post before I took out the spoilers. If you did, then you should understand why I chose that specific point in the plot. If not, I can PM you what I meant originally.

I read it, and I essentially agree with you. But what I mean is the pacing between the gameplay and that scene, there needs to be x amount of "cool down" before you get there so your attention is redirected to the scene at hand. The scene I mentioned was: shoot, shoot, shoot, emotional scene, SHEPARD! shoot, shoot, shoot, end of tutortial.

That's not the proper way to pace it. In the middle of a shoot out its a good place to but in decisions about the current fight, who will stay who will go, who will be in charge of what. But if you're going to put an emotional scene in the midst of firefights you need some sort of tether back to the beginning of that section so it actually affects your gameplay.

[AgitatedLemon]

@android

Oh, yeah.

I thought you were saying my choice of scene wasn't appropriate (You aren't saying that, are you?)

I honestly have no idea how the pacing between the gunfights and heartbreaking emotion is going to play.

[Dr. Doctor]

@ Whyp

There's still quite a bit of it that hasn't been revealed yet. Shepard has some really good lines, and as a whole the romance seems more like a loving relationship rather than an excuse to clear the engine room.

Pretty much Miranda's arc seems to be focused on resolving her past so she can move on with her life. What results from that remains to be seen.

[android654]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

android654 wrote...

Whyp_2 wrote...

(Asked probably a million times, but asks anyway)

Does the Miri romance turn out good? Are you satisfied with the out come of it? Or are you disappointed?

If someone could answer, it would be very much appreciated

Its very much what you would expect from someone like Miraanda.

Dariansarr wrote...

android654 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I'd really like it if they made the ME movie using CGI similar to the ME2 Blur trailer. The biggest worry I have is that there has never been a good video game movie.

I can't stand CGI trailers for games. The games never live up them. I'm looking at you Sacred Ashes Trailer...



I still want that version of Morrigan and Sten, and Leliana could've been more aggressive like in that trailer.

All the Blur trailer did was ****** me off that Thane didn't have SNTD (Super Ninja Take Downs).

Have you seen the new trailer for the new Resident Evil ? Talking about not living up to a trailer

I'm watching it right now, and I've never been one to be compelled to play a zombie game before, but this trailer could come close to tricking me. But only close.

Different people have different expectations of the character. What's your take?

And shame on you for not playing Dead Rising or Left 4 Dead.

She's very direct and forceful in an alluring way. But it doesn't negate an underlying warmth trying to find a way out whilst not negating the leader role she's made for herself.

A friend gave me a copy of Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 along with the Orange Box. Since ME3's coming out I'm wrapping up my last Shepard, then I'll jump back on HL2. But to be honest, the only game I'm thinking about now is The Witcher 2, I'm loving everything I'm reading and seeing about it.

Modifié par android654, 11 janvier 2012 - 10:52 .

[wright1978]

I still some concerns about the romance content but there definitely does seem to be some decent dialogue in evidence in the leak.

Modifié par wright1978, 11 janvier 2012 - 10:54 .

[AgitatedLemon]

wright1978 wrote...

I still some concerns about the romance content but there definitely does seem to be some decent dialogue in evidence in the leak.

Concerns like what?

[jtav]

Regarding Miranda, I think it really depends on how brave the writers are. There's a chance I may get my reformed Cerberus arc, which would make me happy. But it would require a degree of...nuance I don't associate with ME. I'm beginning to wish Oriana had been tragically killed during Miranda's LM.

As for the romance, it's almost exactly to my taste, but I'm not concerned as much anyway.

Modifié par jtav, 11 janvier 2012 - 10:58 .

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

Regarding Miranda, I think it really depends on how brave the writers are. There's a chance I may get my reformed Cerberus arc, which would make me happy. But it would require a degree of...nuance I don't associate with ME. I'm beginning to wish Oriana had been tragically killed during Miranda's LM.

I'm curious to see how Miranda's psyche would be affected by this.

[android654]

How would that have affected her development for ME3 if Oriana were killed by Eclipse Mercs? I fear it would've been used as a cheap ploy for her to turn "evil" and become the new illusive man.

We have to take into consideration that bold ideas that would be well received by few, but add substance to a story is seldom found in video games.

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

How would that have affected her development for ME3 if Oriana were killed by Eclipse Mercs? I fear it would've been used as a cheap ploy for her to turn "evil" and become the new illusive man.

We have to take into consideration that bold ideas that would be well received by few, but add substance to a story is seldom found in video games.

I had the lingering thought that it would make her depressed or go insane.

But your idea is better, if still a horrible idea, no offense.

edit: Can anyone PM me the romance dialogue?

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 11 janvier 2012 - 11:04 .