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[AgitatedLemon]

I would have preferred a vigilante style to it, ala Kill Bill.

[jtav]

Well ME2 took a serious wrong turn and I ended up sympathizing with and hating the wrong people. They've fixed it in the script a bit, but I want the Alliance taken down a peg or ten and Cerberus reborn.

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

Well ME2 took a serious wrong turn and I ended up sympathizing with and hating the wrong people. They've fixed it in the script a bit, but I want the Alliance taken down a peg or ten and Cerberus reborn.

Who?

[jtav]

I wanted Shepard's head on a pike. And Garrus. And the Alliance as a group. I loved Miranda the most when she was at her coldest. I'm mildly pro-Cerberus and anti-Council.

[AgitatedLemon]

Wait, what did Garrus do? The Alliance and Council I can understand, but Shepard and Garrus?

[Skullheart]

Well, I kinda hated Garrus during ME2. If you are a maleShepard, Garrus only have 3 dialogues with you (after recruit him, before his LM and after his LM). After that he is too busy with the calibrations. No bromance with him.

If you compare it with the number of dialogues that you get with Thand and Jacob, is like meh.

Modifié par Skullheart, 12 janvier 2012 - 01:52 .

[AgitatedLemon]

That wouldn't make me hate him, that'd make me.... Not care.

[jtav]

Hotheaded, impulsive, pushed down my throat as best friend.

[Skullheart]

That remindsme.You can avoid recruit him in ME1, but he still says "just like old times" when you fight against the Colossus.

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

Hotheaded, impulsive, pushed down my throat as best friend.

With three lines? Quite the achievement.

I've always thought Shepard indifferent to Garrus. Certainly he brings little to the table in ME1. And in ME2 I would think Shepard's just glad to have another familiar face since in his view, he's still more or less working with an enemy at that point. After the LM and convos with him Shepard's too busy running the mission (or doing everyone else's personal errands) and Garrus is too busy with his calibrations. Hardly buddying up.

Comrades I say. Even "friend" is a stretch, let alone "best friend". That's not to say you can't role play it differently or have the game (read ME3) evolve it to that naturally.

Actually, come to think of it, where are you getting hotheaded or impulsive from as well? Not wanting to put up with bullsh!t regs isn't necessarily hotheaded. And I would say he's fairly cool in disassembling the gangs on Omega or hunting Sidonis down. He's on his way to becoming a stone-cold killer. And Shepard's gonna show him how it's done.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 12 janvier 2012 - 02:05 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Actually, come to think of it, where are you getting hotheaded or impulsive from as well? Not wanting to put up with bullsh!t regs isn't necessarily hotheaded. And I would say he's fairly cool in disassembling the gangs on Omega or hunting Sidonis down. He's on his way to becoming a stone-cold killer. And Shepard's gonna show him how it's done.

I was just about to ask the same thing.

[android654]

When it comes to Garrus, I'm only upset that I had to recruit him, even though he had nothing to share. Should've gotten someone else to fill his place in ME2. No point in a crew member that can't talk because he's too busy jer-- calibrating the Normandy's guns.

[Dr. Doctor]

Miranda has the potential to be a really good villain. If there was ever going to be a rewrite of ME1 I'd introduce Miranda as a part of the Cerberus arc, either after UNC: Missing Marines or UNC: Cerberus.

Presidium, Citadel

Miranda: Commander Shepard, a moment of your time.

Shepard: I'm sorry, but have we met?

Miranda: No. The fact that we're even talking right now means that you've drawn the attention of my organization.

Shepard: And what organization would that be?

Miranda: One that you've become rather familliar with over the last few weeks.

Shepard: Cerberus.

Miranda: Indeed, your exploits on Binthu took out a rogue group of our scientists. A group that I was assigned to deal with. My employer was impressed with your work and I've been instructed to extend you an invitation.

Shepard: To join you? What, so you can wreak more havoc with your experiments?

Miranda: To help advance the cause of humanity in the galaxy. You've dealt with the Council, they're not interested in helping us, they care about the status quo. The Alliance is more interested in prostrating themselves before the Council than helping our people.

Shepard: Why not talk to Terra Firma? I'm sure what you're proposing would be more in their interests.

Miranda: We aren't xenophobes Commander. We can learn from the other races, and work beside them, but we can't assume that they will have our best interests in mind.

Shepard: And Cerberus does?

Miranda: (sighs) I can see that we're not going to be going anywhere with this conversation. (hands Shepard a datapad) You can contact me if you reconsider.

Shepard: And who are you exactly?

Miranda: A potential ally.

[CrutchCricket]

I wonder whether he was a late addition and they just didn't have the time to write him in a proper dialog path apart from the romance. But that'd be one for the Garrus thread I guess.

[Shotokanguy]

You serious people? Hotheaded is pretty much the first word to describe Garrus. His insistence on stopping the bad guys makes him look almost like a glory hog, like a little kid who wants to be a superhero.

That idea for Miranda's appearance in ME1 sounds really nice. I don't really have any fears about ME3...but if the story were to turn out...disappointing...man. I'd really hope to see a remake for the entire series at some point later in my life. They could really beef up the story, fill in the empty parts that have been discussed in topics like this.

[CrutchCricket]

Shotokanguy wrote...

You serious people? Hotheaded is pretty much the first word to describe Garrus. His insistence on stopping the bad guys makes him look almost like a glory hog, like a little kid who wants to be a superhero..

Uhm... no.

He wants to stop criminals because F*CK crime. Really.  The only reason he's not still with CSec or a Spectre (both far more public positions then his pre-ME2 situation mind you) is because he couldn't deal with the bureaucracy of those positions.

And glory hog? Seriously?  That's why he goes to a sh!thole like Omega where the best you could hope for is the infamy of some mass accelerated lead in your skull and operates under an alias with a face concealing helmet right? Because he wants the galaxy to know that he Garrus Vakarian is Space Batman.<_<

Anyway... I think Miranda would be impressed with his skill if nothing else. And the way he goes off and does something when no one else will is reminiscent of what Cerberus was meant to do. I don't think it'd be that difficult finding common ground between them.

[ParkerArt]

There can't possibly be bonus content for characters because if nothing else, EA would be marketting them to hell and that would effectively make them pree-launch DLC which is just a slap in the face.

And because I can...

http://oi43.tinypic.com/10ick9g.jpg

Modifié par ParkerArt, 12 janvier 2012 - 03:12 .

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

And glory hog? Seriously?  That's why he goes to a sh!thole like Omega where the best you could hope for is the infamy of some mass accelerated lead in your skull and operates under an alias with a face concealing helmet right? Because he wants the galaxy to know that he Garrus Vakarian is Space Batman.<_<

I actually think that you could look at it as being a bit of glory hog, yeah. Doesn't want to just be a cop, can't stand the bureaucracy, so he goes off to be a bit of a vigilante superhero. He was becoming... well-known at least. Doesn't mean he's not sincere on some level.

Overall, I could see Miranda having... mixed feelings. She'd appreciate his skill and his loyalty. I do think he's not... detached enough for her taste, though, as far as work is concerned.

ParkerArt wrote...

There can't possibly be bonus content for characters because if nothing else, EA would be marketting them to hell and that would effectively make them pree-launch DLC which is just a slap in the face.

I think the idea of a new gun or outfit for Shepard that is appropriate for each character seems like the most plausible theory. Something like that.

Not available until 2nd quarter 2012, though, so I don't think they're available pre-launch anyway.

Modifié par flemm, 12 janvier 2012 - 03:10 .

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...

I actually think that you could look at it as being a bit of glory hog, yeah. Doesn't want to just be a cop, can't stand the bureaucracy, so he goes off to be a bit of a vigilante superhero. He was becoming... well-known at least. Doesn't mean he's not sincere on some level.

Overall, I could see Miranda having... mixed feelings. She'd appreciate his skill and his loyalty. I do think he's not... detached enough for her taste, though, as far as work is concerned.

I don't think so man. It's not that he doesn't want to be just a cop. He just wants to get the job done and his superiors keep his hands tied with crap regs. His getting know in some fashion (as the guy killing all the mercs) was a side-effect of what he did. I don't think he sought it out.

Why do you say he's not detached? He was losing it a bit during the Sidonis hit but that's to be expected after what he'd done. That was personal. Otherwise I think he's as cold as the best of them, particularly if you encourage him down the renegade path. In fact back when we were talking about letting Miranda kill  that Eclipse merc  Niket during her LM, the comparison with Garrus-Sidonis came up. I never let Miranda pull the trigger but I always let Garrus do it. I even wrote a dialog between them exploring the differences (can't remember if I posted it here or not). Basically it came down to Shepard stopping Miranda because she was too close and too emotional but letting Garrus go because he'd had time to cool his vengeance. He was cracking during his mission but I think that was more at the prospect of Sidonis escaping him again rather than mixed feelings about whether he should do it.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 12 janvier 2012 - 03:35 .

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Why do you say he's not detached? He was losing it a bit during the Sidonis hit but that's to be expected after what he'd done. That was personal. Otherwise I think he's as cold as the best of them, particularly if you encourage him down the renegade path. In fact back when we were talking about letting Miranda kill that Eclipse merc during her LM, the comparison with Garrus-Sidonis came up. I never let Miranda pull the trigger but I always let Garrus do it. I even wrote a dialog between them exploring the differences (can't remember if I posted it here or not). Basically it came down to Shepard stopping Miranda because she was too close and too emotional but letting Garrus go because he'd had time to cool his vengeance. He was cracking during his mission but I think that was more at the prospect of Sidonis escaping him again rather than mixed feelings about whether he should do it.

Interesting thoughts. I see what you're saying.

I do think there's an interesting comparison there. I think there's a difference between the two scenarios, but I'm having a hard time articulating it at the moment.

Re: Miranda's LM, do you mean Niket? Or the anonymous guy at the beginning?

Modifié par flemm, 12 janvier 2012 - 03:28 .

[enayasoul]

Revan654 wrote...

Yvonne Strahovski will be on Jimmy Kimmel Live Tonight(12:00 am on ABC). She will be promoting the last Episodes of Chuck. Maybe she will say something about Mass Effect 3.

Hey thanks for the update!  I'll be watching it tonight.

[AgitatedLemon]

ParkerArt wrote...

There can't possibly be bonus content for characters because if nothing else, EA would be marketting them to hell and that would effectively make them pree-launch DLC which is just a slap in the face.

And because I can...

http://oi43.tinypic.com/10ick9g.jpg

I like that picture.

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
Re: Miranda's LM, do you mean Niket? Or the anonymous guy at the beginning?

Niket. Fixed it above as well. Don't know what I was thinking. I must be tired lol.

[enayasoul]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Judging from the leak, while there is the ability to invoke the redemption = death trope it seems like its pretty easy to avoid.

As for the Bioware internet fallout shelter, the only game that they ever disappointed me with was Dragon Age II. Excellent story, characters, and a protagonist that puts Shepard to shame, but the gameplay wasn't up to par.

I thought the combat fighting was a lot better than the first one.  Fast and quick.  I liked Dragon Age 2 a lot!  The character interaction was great!  Banter, I love, love banter.   There were a lot of emotions in that game.  Sad and happy times.  

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Niket. Fixed it above as well. Don't know what I was thinking. I must be tired lol.

Something about the train of thought, I think, lol. The first time I read it, I didn't even do a double take on that, it just made sense. Then, it occured to me.