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[android654]

enayasoul wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Judging from the leak, while there is the ability to invoke the redemption = death trope it seems like its pretty easy to avoid.

As for the Bioware internet fallout shelter, the only game that they ever disappointed me with was Dragon Age II. Excellent story, characters, and a protagonist that puts Shepard to shame, but the gameplay wasn't up to par.

I thought the combat fighting was a lot better than the first one.  Fast and quick.  I liked Dragon Age 2 a lot!  The character interaction was great!  Banter, I love, love banter.   There were a lot of emotions in that game.  Sad and happy times.  

Was the combat better in DA2? Yes! Was Varric's and Isabella's banter priceless? Yes!

But the game lacked personality in a big way. It was very clear that Kirkwall was unfinished when the game was released.

Also, just to keep it relevant, Isabella is the DAU's Miranda.

[MisterJB]

flemm wrote...
I do think there's an interesting comparison there. I think there's a difference between the two scenarios, but I'm having a hard time articulating it at the moment.

Here's a difference. Garrus wanted to kill Sidonis out of anger, he wanted vengeance.
Miranda did not want t kill Niket because she was angry he had betrayed her. She wanted him dead because he was a loose end, he had information that could endanger Oriana. Regardless of who kills that rat, she feels sad afterwards.

[MisterJB]

android654 wrote...
Also, just to keep it relevant, Isabella is the DAU's Miranda.

I love them both but Isabela and Miranda couldn't be more different. Unless, of course, you are metagaming. They are both the most obvious romances.

[android654]

MisterJB wrote...

flemm wrote...
I do think there's an interesting comparison there. I think there's a difference between the two scenarios, but I'm having a hard time articulating it at the moment.

Here's a difference. Garrus wanted to kill Sidonis out of anger, he wanted vengeance.
Miranda did not want t kill Niket because she was angry he had betrayed her. She wanted him dead because he was a loose end, he had information that could endanger Oriana. Regardless of who kills that rat, she feels sad afterwards.

We get a glimpse of his recklessness when he first tells us about the good dr "Heart." He was ready and willing to gun down his ship and kill the innocent passengers inside with no thought to their safety, but all of his focus centered around killing his enemy. He is very unfocused in what he does, and only has time to think of the fight and not the result of his actions. That's why he lost his whole team on Omega.

[android654]

MisterJB wrote...

android654 wrote...
Also, just to keep it relevant, Isabella is the DAU's Miranda.

I love them both but Isabela and Miranda couldn't be more different. Unless, of course, you are metagaming. They are both the most obvious romances.

What I meant about them being the same is that they both fill the same role in the respective games. That role being the tough woman who does as she wills and answers only to herself. Both have pasts with men who tried to control them and both had to run away in order to begin anew. They fill the same shoes, but very different people.

[Rdubs]

***POTENTIAL SPOILER*****

jtav wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I'm really tempted to switch my cannon Shepard's playthrough so that Miranda doesn't talk to Oriana. The scene where they talk is heartwarming but emotional!Miranda gets a Heroic BSOD if Oriana's in trouble.

Already done for me, Doctor.

I still want my TIW end, damn it!

I'm confused, I read all the leak ME3 Miranda material in the spoiler group but must have missed something, it sounds like you're saying if you let Miranda talk to Ori then Miranda bites the dust in ME3, I thought that would only happen if she wasn't loyal.
***END SPOILER***

EDIT: What's TIW mean?

Modifié par Rdubs, 12 janvier 2012 - 04:16 .

[flemm]

Rdubs wrote...

***POTENTIAL SPOILER*****

*snip*

***END SPOILER***

No worries there. It was two separate thoughts.

1) Change LM mission outcome to (apparently) get less emotional version of the character.
2) Hope for the best as far as the desired ending.

Modifié par flemm, 12 janvier 2012 - 04:18 .

[enayasoul]

android654 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Judging from the leak, while there is the ability to invoke the redemption = death trope it seems like its pretty easy to avoid.

As for the Bioware internet fallout shelter, the only game that they ever disappointed me with was Dragon Age II. Excellent story, characters, and a protagonist that puts Shepard to shame, but the gameplay wasn't up to par.

I thought the combat fighting was a lot better than the first one.  Fast and quick.  I liked Dragon Age 2 a lot!  The character interaction was great!  Banter, I love, love banter.   There were a lot of emotions in that game.  Sad and happy times.  

Was the combat better in DA2? Yes! Was Varric's and Isabella's banter priceless? Yes!

But the game lacked personality in a big way. It was very clear that Kirkwall was unfinished when the game was released.

Also, just to keep it relevant, Isabella is the DAU's Miranda.

Yes!  I would have like to be allowed to run around Kirkwall after the game was done.  Just the Emporium and his house.   

Yes! I loved Isabella.   .   My three favorite ladies... Morrigan, Miranda and Isabella.  Scratch that. FOUR... I do like Leilana... She's another favorite.  Just while we are at it... Bastila(KOTOR) and Lian Sun(Jade Empire)

I was kind of disappointed with the time frame in years in dragon age 2...  I was expecting something else.    It didn't seem like years flew by just moments.  Epic fail on that one.  

Modifié par enayasoul, 12 janvier 2012 - 04:21 .

[Rdubs]

Unrelated, I'm keeping an eye out for potential distractions to help pass the next two months. I've never played or looked into Gears of War. Is it a good thing to get lost in for a few days, and if so is it worth starting with the first one and play all three or should you just start with #2 or #3?

[Rdubs]

flemm wrote...

No worries there. It was two separate thoughts.

1) Change LM mission outcome to (apparently) get less emotional version of the character.
2) Hope for the best as far as the desired ending.

Thank you flemm!  Whew.

[MisterJB]

 Rdubs:
Highlight to read

I believe that the good Doctor is referring to this line:
"Yes. I can't think straight until I know Ori is safe.

Basically, some people are concerned that convincing Miranda to bond with Oriana makes her focus too much on what is personal in detriment of her more professional side.

EDIT: What's TIW mean?

The Illusive Woman

[flemm]

Rdubs wrote...

Thank you flemm!  Whew.

No problem

Just thought I'd answer because I was following that part of the discussion and didn't want you to be worried

[Rdubs]

JB thank you too sir. Makes sense now. She can be as mushy as she wants in my world, cause that means (in my view, maybe not everyone's) that she'd be more mushy towards my Sheploo too.

EDIT: TIW.  Doh.  Seen that before a lot too.  Brain fart.  Agree with jtav, that would be an awesome ending. 

Modifié par Rdubs, 12 janvier 2012 - 04:27 .

[Td1984]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Miranda has the potential to be a really good villain. If there was ever going to be a rewrite of ME1 I'd introduce Miranda as a part of the Cerberus arc, either after UNC: Missing Marines or UNC: Cerberus.

Presidium, Citadel

Miranda: Commander Shepard, a moment of your time.

Shepard: I'm sorry, but have we met?

Miranda: No. The fact that we're even talking right now means that you've drawn the attention of my organization.

Shepard: And what organization would that be?

Miranda: One that you've become rather familliar with over the last few weeks.

Shepard: Cerberus.

Miranda: Indeed, your exploits on Binthu took out a rogue group of our scientists. A group that I was assigned to deal with. My employer was impressed with your work and I've been instructed to extend you an invitation.

Shepard: To join you? What, so you can wreak more havoc with your experiments?

Miranda: To help advance the cause of humanity in the galaxy. You've dealt with the Council, they're not interested in helping us, they care about the status quo. The Alliance is more interested in prostrating themselves before the Council than helping our people.

Shepard: Why not talk to Terra Firma? I'm sure what you're proposing would be more in their interests.

Miranda: We aren't xenophobes Commander. We can learn from the other races, and work beside them, but we can't assume that they will have our best interests in mind.

Shepard: And Cerberus does?

Miranda: (sighs) I can see that we're not going to be going anywhere with this conversation. (hands Shepard a datapad) You can contact me if you reconsider.

Shepard: And who are you exactly?

Miranda: A potential ally.

Considering that in my headcannon my MaleShep and Miranda go way back (about 20 years prior to ME2), I would've been hard-pressed to reject her invitation.

[schemata]

kinda following the thread but Ive been trying to avoid some spoilers.  Except for the post above, which gives the tag AFTER the question haha.

So anyway. As spoil free as possible. If we do Miris LM, do we lose her in ME3? 

[flemm]

schemata wrote...

So anyway. As spoil free as possible. If we do Miris LM, do we lose her in ME3? 

We don't know really know all the details of what causes what. It's hard to tell from the text files, and this type of thing could change anyway.

But, as with many/most of the characters, if you import with Miranda alive and loyal, you should also be able to keep her alive in ME3, though some choices may have deadly consequences (within ME3).

[schemata]

I've been on several different forums before I came here, and I think quite a few people "miss" what makes miri an amazing character.  So because I think you guys catch her character and her nuance I was wondering what others in this thread think of Liara, Tali, Jack, and Ash? Who they are, where there coming from and interest in potential L.I?

[goofyomnivore]

In fact back when we were talking about letting Miranda kill that Eclipse merc Niket during her LM, the comparison with Garrus-Sidonis came up. I never let Miranda pull the trigger but I always let Garrus do it.

I do the opposite of you. Miranda is presented as professional, cold, pragmatic, etc. outside of Samara I would say she is the most prepared on the squad to take anyone's life and deal with the fallout emotionally.

Stepping into stop Miranda isn't worth the risk of collateral damage imo. I don't think Niket deserves to die, but he isn't worth risking Enyala who is a trigger happy merc with her gun pointed right at you, and is hellbent on getting paid for get Oriana to Mr. Lawson shooting at you. Maybe Niket is captured by Mr. Lawson and is tortured for information? Niket is pretty much dead once he involved himself. Is it gonna hurt Miranda you betcha, however she was already wounded, and Niket was already basically dead to her.

Garrus on the other hand has been putting unreasonable expectations on himself. He thinks vengeance will make his failure as a leader hurt not as much for him or his men's families. However the point is Garrus didn't fail, and if you let him shoot Sidonis that to me reinforces that he did. Garrus needs to open his eyes that he isn't at fault and seeking out Sidonis on motives of unbridled wrath or "justice" for his false failings isn't a healthy mindset.

Just my two cents on those two situations.

Also, just to keep it relevant, Isabella is the DAU's Miranda.

I didn't get into Isabela. I figured I'd like her more since I noticed lots of Miranda fans enjoyed her character and romance. I don't think she is bad or nothing, but she wasn't very memorable to me. I didn't really like any of the romances in Dragon Age 2 though.

[flemm]

schemata wrote...

I've been on several different forums before I came here, and I think quite a few people "miss" what makes miri an amazing character.  So because I think you guys catch her character and her nuance I was wondering what others in this thread think of Liara, Tali, Jack, and Ash? Who they are, where there coming from and interest in potential L.I?

That's a broad question, so I won't try to answer all of it, but personally I'm a big fan of Jack as well as Miranda. Two sides of the same coin, basically.

I'd really like to see them have a scene in ME3, towards the end, after they've gone through whatever they're going to go through over the course of the game. Just think they would have a lot to say to one another.

Some of it might not be super friendly, but anyway, a lot

Never really seen Jack as a LI, though. Just like the character a lot.

Modifié par flemm, 12 janvier 2012 - 05:16 .

[MisterJB]

A rare line from Miranda that I believe gives a good insight into her character.

[schemata]

strive wrote...

In fact back when we were talking about letting Miranda kill that Eclipse merc Niket during her LM, the comparison with Garrus-Sidonis came up. I never let Miranda pull the trigger but I always let Garrus do it.

I do the opposite of you. Miranda is presented as professional, cold, pragmatic, etc. outside of Samara I would say she is the most prepared on the squad to take anyone's life and deal with the fallout emotionally.

Stepping into stop Miranda isn't worth the risk of collateral damage imo. I don't think Niket deserves to die, but he isn't worth risking Enyala who is a trigger happy merc with her gun pointed right at you, and is hellbent on getting paid for get Oriana to Mr. Lawson shooting at you. Maybe Niket is captured by Mr. Lawson and is tortured for information? Niket is pretty much dead once he involved himself. Is it gonna hurt Miranda you betcha, however she was already wounded, and Niket was already basically dead to her.

Garrus on the other hand has been putting unreasonable expectations on himself. He thinks vengeance will make his failure as a leader hurt not as much for him or his men's families. However the point is Garrus didn't fail, and if you let him shoot Sidonis that to me reinforces that he did. Garrus needs to open his eyes that he isn't at fault and seeking out Sidonis on motives of unbridled wrath or "justice" for his false failings isn't a healthy mindset.

Just my two cents on those two situations.

Also, just to keep it relevant, Isabella is the DAU's Miranda.

I didn't get into Isabela. I figured I'd like her more since I noticed lots of Miranda fans enjoyed her character and romance. I don't think she is bad or nothing, but she wasn't very memorable to me. I didn't really like any of the romances in Dragon Age 2 though.

I always think of my run on my main paragon, as someone who can greatly influence the people around them, and show them sides to things they may otherwise not have noticed.  I think you definetly encaspulate why I don't have garrus, "take the shot." 

but the same goes for miri too. She does care about nikit in her own way, even if its no longer very deep. And killing him, is def something in her character that just makes sense. Infact you get a sense she'll easliy be able to live with it.  but I always thought it was about showing her a side to things, thats not so pragmatic. Almost a bit wild to her. To let a loose end left undone, and to let it ride; because she cares. validating her emotions by letting a loose end go;(which is a no-no to her) speaks at her nature imo.  And I also believe its what can set her down a more emotional path; your the influence needed to help your squadmates transcend who they were when you met them to be someone greater.

[schemata]

MisterJB wrote...

A rare line from Miranda that I believe gives a good insight into her character.

yoink

yeah I think that speaks volumes about her

[schemata]

flemm wrote...

schemata wrote...

I've been on several different forums before I came here, and I think quite a few people "miss" what makes miri an amazing character.  So because I think you guys catch her character and her nuance I was wondering what others in this thread think of Liara, Tali, Jack, and Ash? Who they are, where there coming from and interest in potential L.I?

That's a broad question, so I won't try to answer all of it, but personally I'm a big fan of Jack as well as Miranda. Two sides of the same coin, basically.

I'd really like to see them have a scene in ME3, towards the end, after they've gone through whatever they're going to go through over the course of the game. Just think they would have a lot to say to one another.

Some of it might not be super friendly, but anyway, a lot

Never really seen Jack as a LI, though. Just like the character a lot.

Jack is a mixed bag to me.  I never really felt like I influenced her on most of my play throughs.  I thought I got through to her, only slightly however.  In the end of her conversations; in her own way admits to apperciating her and sheps talks.  I feel like I "get jack" she just wasnt one of my favorites.  Put too many things off on others, or too self centered to think outside her own pain. Now rightfully she has been through a lot; and has really never gotten a leg up. So i dont necessarily hate or even dislike her. Just wasnt one of my favorites.

May be missing some conversations from her as far as I can tell. 

I too would like miri and jack to have a sit down, but really more for jacks development.  I think Jack is something miri internalized very early and moved on from, (while jack wanted to reminscent on her pain)  ... thinking of those two- I thought they were complete opposites!

[desispark]

Just watched Yvonne on Jimmy Kimmel Live. No mention of ME3 . Maybe we'll have some luck tomorrow on Attack of the Show.

Modifié par desispark, 12 janvier 2012 - 06:02 .

[android654]

I still think Miranda and Jack are two people who would have an intense time together. If they weren't separated by an organization that pits them against one another and had the opportunity to look at each other, I think it would impossible to separate them after the fact.

Modifié par android654, 12 janvier 2012 - 06:12 .