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[Vertigo_1]

desispark wrote...

I was going to say the same thing. Would BioWare give her a NDA if she WASN'T working on ME3? (Optimism) Maybe the fact that she can't talk about it is actually confirmation that she is doing the vo?? (/Optimism). I'm hoping she'll mention something on Attack of the Show tonight which is normally pretty video game oriented. She was there for an interview on Mass Effect 2 I believe. They mentioned yesterday though, that she would be talking about her "new" movie Killer Elite . Guess we'll see.

That came out in September...why talk about that now?

desispark wrote...
I wish BioWare would just end my misery and release a statement.

They are going to, just not today/tomorrow or next week.  We will have to wait.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 12 janvier 2012 - 07:51 .

[who would know]

We interrupt your worrying to bring you a pic of Miranda in glasses and modified uniform and a possible prologue:



The usual galactic powers became destablized in the wake of the Reaper invasion. The interests of entire peoples were never in greater need of protectors and enforcers, of lights in the darkness. Humanity was no exception. Inheriting her father's fortune, Miranda Lawson spearheaded the Prometheus Foundation. By developing Lazarus technology into a plethora of widely available human enhancement packages, the Foundation became a guardian, an indomitable force in building mankind a prosperous future in a galaxy set reeling towards an uncertain fate. In the remaining years of her life and in her lasting gift to humanity, Miranda would no longer make the impossible possible: she would make the impossible commonly possible.

Modifié par who would know, 12 janvier 2012 - 08:03 .

[jtav]

I just finished Jacob's LM on my latest run. Leaving aside the leak, they couldn't have designed a better scenario to warn your average female gamer away from Jacob if they tried. Everything about the debrief scene screams that he still has feelings for her and I ought to be rooting for them to reconcile. If half expect them to have the sex scene. Miranda/Jacob was stupid from a design standpoint because it makes Shep feel like second best. At least Miranda seems into you.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

I just finished Jacob's LM on my latest run. Leaving aside the leak, they couldn't have designed a better scenario to warn your average female gamer away from Jacob if they tried. Everything about the debrief scene screams that he still has feelings for her and I ought to be rooting for them to reconcile. If half expect them to have the sex scene. Miranda/Jacob was stupid from a design standpoint because it makes Shep feel like second best. At least Miranda seems into you.

The LM itself is... odd from that point of view. It's not something I ever really thought about much, as a male gamer, but the content of that mission is hardly conducive to romance.

Compare with Miranda's, where you help her save her sister and she gets all emotional, if you so choose.

[jtav]

She cries regardless. And more than that, it shows how enormously protective she is of her loved ones. If she'll do this for Oriana, what will she do for a romanced Shep. I had to have her then.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

She cries regardless.

True. Anyway, yeah, Miranda's LM basically erases any doubts you might have about the character's capacity for deep feeling and emotional attachment, whereas on Jacob's... you find out his father basically reduced the female members of his crew to mindless concubines... or something.

Not sure what they were thinking with that. Not that Jacob would necessarily behave in the same manner, of course, but I'm not sure what it adds to the whole thing, really.

Modifié par flemm, 12 janvier 2012 - 08:22 .

[wright1978]

jtav wrote...

I just finished Jacob's LM on my latest run. Leaving aside the leak, they couldn't have designed a better scenario to warn your average female gamer away from Jacob if they tried. Everything about the debrief scene screams that he still has feelings for her and I ought to be rooting for them to reconcile. If half expect them to have the sex scene. Miranda/Jacob was stupid from a design standpoint because it makes Shep feel like second best. At least Miranda seems into you.

I've always seen that scene as confirmation that Jacob never really knew Miranda. So definitely no rooting from me at all ever.

[jtav]

And the debrief kills it because it's a big neon sign that he still cares about her with "better man than I." Every ounce of knowledge about action movie romances makes me think they'll end up together when I see that scene. Miranda's the number one reason I can't romance him. I don't want her leavings.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

And the debrief kills it because it's a big neon sign that he still cares about her with "better man than I." Every ounce of knowledge about action movie romances makes me think they'll end up together when I see that scene. Miranda's the number one reason I can't romance him. I don't want her leavings.

It's been a while since I played through any of that stuff, but I remember thinking that much of Jacob's dialog about Miranda was written with me in mind, i.e. the straight male gamer who is going to romance Miranda. The "better man than I" part in particular, i.e. Shepard/the player.

Not sure if all of it pops up for femshep, but I guess most of it does. And gets in the way.

[ThomGau]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

She cries regardless.

True. Anyway, yeah, Miranda's LM basically erases any doubts you might have about the character's capacity for deep feeling and emotional attachment, whereas on Jacob's... you find out his father basically reduced the female members of his crew to mindless concubines... or something.

Not sure what they were thinking with that. Not that Jacob would necessarily behave in the same manner, of course, but I'm not sure what it adds to the whole thing, really.

Well, I think that Jacob's LM helps paradoxically more to develop a romance with Miranda than him lol .
 Both LM are supposed to be cannonically played at the same time since Miranda and Jacob are the first to ask you for your help. There is a big chance that you have already done Miranda' LM at this time of the game .
The debriefing scene shows once more a part of her emotional side, that she is " done " with Jacob, she is  definitely available/romancable for Shepard .
As for Jacob, well his LM doesn't really help him regarding a romance .

Modifié par ThomGau, 12 janvier 2012 - 08:37 .

[flemm]

ThomGau wrote...

Well, I think that Jacob' LM helps paradoxically more to develop a romance with Miranda than him lol . 

Agreed, yeah, that's basically what I was trying to say.

Jacob's LM says more about Miranda than it does about Jacob.

[Ryzaki]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

And the debrief kills it because it's a big neon sign that he still cares about her with "better man than I." Every ounce of knowledge about action movie romances makes me think they'll end up together when I see that scene. Miranda's the number one reason I can't romance him. I don't want her leavings.

It's been a while since I played through any of that stuff, but I remember thinking that much of Jacob's dialog about Miranda was written with me in mind, i.e. the straight male gamer who is going to romance Miranda. The "better man than I" part in particular, i.e. Shepard/the player.

Not sure if all of it pops up for femshep, but I guess most of it does. And gets in the way.

Yeah it does. Which if you're intending to romance Jacob led me to at least go "So...if you're not good enough for her why in the hell would you be good enough for Shep?" 

That said my Shep wouldn't really care one way or the other if they got back together. He'd be happy for them but that's about it.

[ThomGau]

If you ask me, her " relationship " with Jacob was just meant to show that she is " able to have feelings " (so to speak)for a man, she is not just the Ice Queen .
I don't thing BW has ever considered the fact that Miranda and Jacob could possibly develop a serious relationship in ME3 .

Modifié par ThomGau, 12 janvier 2012 - 08:42 .

[flemm]

ThomGau wrote...

If you ask me, her " relatioship " with Jacob was just meant to show that she is " able to have feelings " for a men, she is not just the Ice Queen .

In that sense it combines nicely with her own LM.

It's also part of the backstory for the game, established in whatever extended universe stuff preceded ME2, so they probably felt some closure was necessary there.

Modifié par flemm, 12 janvier 2012 - 08:43 .

[MisterJB]

If you ask me, her "relationship" was the reward for completing "Galaxy" but then, Bioware also needed her to be romanceable for ME2.

IMO, Bioware was just too subtle. They sould have made it more obvious. After Jacob says "She requires a better man than I" there should have been an option for Shepard to ask:
"So...does that mean she is free?"

[jtav]

If not for the leak, I'd be rooting for them. It's a romance type I enjoy, and my view of Miranda's romance is that it's the best of a bad lot. I had Kaidan. Of course, that was before Jacob became a jerk, Miranda's romance became good, and Kaidan disappointed me. So, I'm stuck with her.

[ThomGau]

I agree, they have been through a lot together with Cerberus in the past so, as a man and a woman I think it is normal for them to develop some feelings for each other .

I forget to mention that her relationship with Jacob also shows that she has high expectations toward men . Finding what makes her tickle isn't an easy task .
Shepard has to be a damn good man for her .

Modifié par ThomGau, 12 janvier 2012 - 08:50 .

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
IMO, Bioware was just too subtle. They sould have made it more obvious. After Jacob says "She requires a better man than I" there should have been an option for Shepard to ask:
"So...does that mean she is free?"

Wait... Not really sure I follow/agree. I think it works fine from the point of view of the Miranda romance. The comment is just wierd when considered from the point of view of Jacob's romance.

Compare with an equivalent situation in real life. It's not the ex-boyfriend you are going to ask. It's the woman.

Modifié par flemm, 12 janvier 2012 - 08:55 .

[MisterJB]

That was a joke.
And "She requires a better man than I" should have been gender specific.
Not like it's the only "Jacob wants Miranda back" dialogue in the game, mind you. Poor Jacobmancers. The game was rigged from the start.

Modifié par MisterJB, 12 janvier 2012 - 08:56 .

[jtav]

Right:

My reaction as MShep: "Then I'll do everything in my power to be that man."
My reaction as FShep: "What am I? Chopped liver?" Keep in mind Shepard/Jacob can start before Horizon.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

That was a joke.

LoL. I remember this happened once before, where you made a joke and I completely missed it.

Apparently I am blind to your sense of humor

MisterJB wrote...
And "She requires a better man than I" shoudl have been gender specific.

Yeah, probably.

Modifié par flemm, 12 janvier 2012 - 08:58 .

[Dr. Doctor]

@ Flemm

The "better man than I" line still occurs with femshep.

*Highlight*


What makes matters worse is that Jacob dumps Shepard for a character who's personality is similar to Miranda's. Citing that he wasn't willing to wait for Shepard.

Modifié par Dr. Doctor, 12 janvier 2012 - 09:01 .

[jtav]

Heh. At this rate, I'll be rooting for Miranda to have been s/s so I'm not relegated to singleness.

[flemm]

@ Dr. Doctor, re: the highlighted spoilers, well, if it does end up working like that, it will certainly not be the most... fulfilling romance path in the game. LoL.

Modifié par flemm, 12 janvier 2012 - 09:04 .

[MisterJB]

flemm wrote...

@ Dr. Doctor, re: the highlighted spoilers, well, if it does end up working like that, it will certainly not be the most... fulfilling romance path in the game. LoL.

I hope she is a pale brunette with blue eyes. Just to increase that creepy factor by tenfold.
If you are going to make something bad, might as well make it hilariously bad.

Modifié par MisterJB, 12 janvier 2012 - 09:10 .