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[ThomGau]

This would be very satirical Especially for fShep .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
Every ounce of knowledge about action movie romances makes me think they'll end up together when I see that scene.

I see what you mean, in the sense that, if Jacob were the hero of the story, he would prove himself in the end. But he's not, so the hero (Shepard/player) has the opportunity to step up and be that guy.

[Vertigo_1]

What's this about an action movie?

I honestly don't see it getting done, but if it does then I'll just ignore it
Wasn't there confirmation it would take place prior the events of Mass Effect?

[Dr. Doctor]

I'm actually looking at Vega as being my cannon femshep's LI. He has some of Jacob's normality, but he's actually willing to talk to Shepard. Also the fact that Shepard and Vega have gotten to know each other over the six month gap betweeen ME2 and 3 could make the romance seem less spur of the moment.

[CrutchCricket]

Wow, seriously? I must say I'm quite surprised as to how much relevance people are putting on this one way or another. I never saw Jacob/Miranda in any serious capacity, found the idea laughable in fact. Maybe as a fling, one time "let's just do it" type of thing, but feelings? Please. Maybe he tried at one point. But "better man than I" sounds like acceptance, not longing. They value each other as friends, nothing more. As it should be. Saying they end up together (or expecting them to) sounds as nonsensical as purple monkey dishwasher to me.

I could see how the better man line might be a turn off for female Shepards. Makes no difference to me though.

[flemm]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

What's this about an action movie?

I honestly don't see it getting done, but if it does then I'll just ignore it
Wasn't there confirmation it would take place prior the events of Mass Effect?

Not an actual action movie, sorry this has gotten confusing

More like... "if that were a scene in an action movie, and Jacob were the hero of that action movie..." type of hypothetical situation.

[jtav]

As most of my MSheps do step up. But it sucks to be fShep in that scene. Thanks, Bioware.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Saying they end up together (or expecting them to) sounds as nonsensical as purple monkey dishwasher to me.

Hey... that's my favorite type of dishwasher

In all seriousness, I agree. But... still kind of an interesting scene to discuss and dissect.

Modifié par flemm, 12 janvier 2012 - 09:23 .

[MisterJB]

flemm wrote...
More like... "if that were a scene in an action movie, and Jacob were the hero of that action movie..." type of hypothetical situation.

In an Hollywood movie, I think it would be more likely for Miranda to be brought down to his level, tragically.

[jtav]

I think the principal problems is that one of Miranda's functions is as prize for the male gamer. First in Galaxy, where the player controls Jacob, and the in ME2. So, she's always being romanced by the player, but the avatar changes.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
I think the principal problems is that one of Miranda's functions is as prize for the male gamer. First in Galaxy, where the player controls Jacob, and the in ME2. So, she's always being romanced by the player, but the avatar changes.

I'm not sure that, in itself, is a problem. All of the romances are designed as a prize or payoff for the player.

Problem is more that it screws with Jacob as a satisfying reward for femshep (you feel like you are his second choice). Not sure that was the inevitable result, but it would have to have been written differently.

Ironically, Jacob is Mr. The Prize himself...

So... there has to be a pun in there somewhere

Modifié par flemm, 12 janvier 2012 - 09:31 .

[Dr. Doctor]

If Jacob was in an action movie this would be his response to most of the events in said movie.

Actually, I'm surprised that Miranda doesn't really have anything to say about Jacob.

[jtav]

Okay, so the problem is that they keep forgetting fShep exists.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
My reaction as MShep: "Then I'll do everything in my power to be that man."
My reaction as FShep: "What am I? Chopped liver?" Keep in mind Shepard/Jacob can start before Horizon.

Just so.

However, I believe that impression, though totally predictable when you think about it, was a completely unintended consequence. Someone at Bioware just didn't take femShep into account. So as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't mean anything for ME3.

As I see it, it's a prime example of what Hanlon's Razor is about: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

@CrutchCricket:
I agree with your view of the situation (hey, pigs can fly! )

Modifié par Ieldra2, 12 janvier 2012 - 09:33 .

[100k]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...
I think the principal problems is that one of Miranda's functions is as prize for the male gamer. First in Galaxy, where the player controls Jacob, and the in ME2. So, she's always being romanced by the player, but the avatar changes.

I'm not sure that, in itself, is a problem. All of the romances are designed as a prize or payoff for the player.

Problem is more that it screws with Jacob as a satisfying reward for femshep (you feel like you are his second choice). Not sure that was the inevitable result, but it would have to have been written differently.

Ironically, Jacob is Mr. The Prize himself...

So... there has to be a pun in there somewhere

His romance starts out so strong-- easily the strongest in the series behind Liara -- then it goes south with the Shep-Taylor sex crazed flirting.

Jacob gets a really bad wrap, and I don't blame him for it, but his romance (like Miranda's) could've been so much more.

[MisterJB]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

If Jacob was in an action movie this would be his response to most of the events in said movie.

Actually, I'm surprised that Miranda doesn't really have anything to say about Jacob.

Nah, black people in action movies have to do loud and obnoxious thing. Sad but true.
Unless they're being played by Will Smith, of course.

Modifié par MisterJB, 12 janvier 2012 - 09:35 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Okay, so the problem is that they keep forgetting fShep exists.

Or they just didn't do a good job writing for Jacob, in the romance or elsewhere. He's hurt by Miranda's prominence in the game because he ends up feeling like an accessory to the main plot as well (Lazarus, Suicide Mission). He also doesn't have a strong point of view (@ Dr. Doctor, lol ).

Not that I'm really complaining. Just an observation.

100k wrote...

His romance starts out so strong-- easily the strongest in the series behind Liara -- then it goes south with the Shep-Taylor sex crazed flirting.

I've certainly heard that part commented on frequently. The Miranda romance does have its issues, as we've discussed many times here. I've never found that getting into it was really one of them, though. Rather, I want more depth once I'm in it.

I'm optimistic that ME3 is really going to improve on this, though.

Modifié par flemm, 12 janvier 2012 - 09:40 .

[ThomGau]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

If Jacob was in an action movie this would be his response to most of the events in said movie.

Actually, I'm surprised that Miranda doesn't really have anything to say about Jacob.

Thanks for the funny link . This might be Jacob's responce indeed

I think she doesn't talk about him because at first she is being professional, she doesn't want to share personnal feelings with Shepard, moreover, they shouldn't interfere with the mission . With Jacob' LM you can see that she has definitely moved on from that . Then if you choose to romance her, well why would she about him lol ?

Modifié par ThomGau, 12 janvier 2012 - 09:46 .

[Td1984]

I feel bad for the Jacobmancers as well. Now what are they going to do?

[ThomGau]

They will have to find another prize I suppose ... Vega seems like a nice guy for that purpose . They have some similarities but he doesn't seem unpleasant contrarely to Jacob .

Modifié par ThomGau, 12 janvier 2012 - 09:42 .

[jtav]

Throw things mostly. All I want is a decent male LI. I don't even like playing mShep, but I feel compelled to.

[flemm]

ThomGau wrote...

They will have to find another prize I suppose ... Vega seems like a nice guy for that purpose . They have some similarities but he doesn't seem unpleasant contrarely to Jacob .

It seems that one big priority this time around was creating an attractive male lead. Hence Mac Walters being the writer for Vega.

[ThomGau]

They really wanted to take good care of him . Avoiding another " Jacob Flop "

[CrutchCricket]

Meh. If I ever get around to playing more of my female Shepard there's only one very blue option for her.

[jtav]

Well, Kaidan didn't flop among female gamers, but I sure hope Vega's better.