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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Wait, you mean I could have it plugged in with the ac adapter, and NOT have the battery in it this whole time?

[Dr. Doctor]

Yep, as long as you have it plugged in you can run your laptop without a battery. That should keep it a lot cooler if you're using it to play ME2

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Holy ****. So that's why the fan has been going crazy every time I have a major program on, like ME2?

This entire year I've had the battery in

[Ryzaki]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Holy ****. So that's why the fan has been going crazy every time I have a major program on, like ME2?

This entire year I've had the battery in

*cringes*

Yeah...that'll really screw up your battery life. Not good. Try to keep it out if you're not not running the lappy off battery power or charging the battery.

[Rdubs]

jtav wrote...

Right:

My reaction as MShep: "Then I'll do everything in my power to be that man."

LOL that's mine too!  I mentally say "Don't worry buddy she found him.  I'll take it from here."

[AgitatedLemon]

http://browse.devian...lpaper#/d3da3jh

I was scouting DArt for some wallpapers, and I found this. It made me lol. *In URL form, maybe/maybe not NSFW (No nudity, just kinda risque)*

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 13 janvier 2012 - 04:03 .

[flemm]

Rdubs wrote...

jtav wrote...

Right:

My reaction as MShep: "Then I'll do everything in my power to be that man."

LOL that's mine too!  I mentally say "Don't worry buddy she found him.  I'll take it from here."

It's true lol. That's why that line fits so well in the Miranda romance. It's just weird that it's at the end of the Jacob LM, though I'm not really complaining.

Modifié par flemm, 13 janvier 2012 - 04:03 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Ryzaki wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Holy ****. So that's why the fan has been going crazy every time I have a major program on, like ME2?

This entire year I've had the battery in

*cringes*

Yeah...that'll really screw up your battery life. Not good. Try to keep it out if you're not not running the lappy off battery power or charging the battery.

I wonder if it could also be the disc making my laptop overheat, yeah I have the DVD Rom version, not the digital version

[raziel1980]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Holy ****. So that's why the fan has been going crazy every time I have a major program on, like ME2?

This entire year I've had the battery in

*cringes*

Yeah...that'll really screw up your battery life. Not good. Try to keep it out if you're not not running the lappy off battery power or charging the battery.

I wonder if it could also be the disc making my laptop overheat, yeah I have the DVD Rom version, not the digital version

Highly unlikely... I have the disc version as well and that has never happened to me... hell, all of my pc games are disc versions...

[Ryzaki]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Holy ****. So that's why the fan has been going crazy every time I have a major program on, like ME2?

This entire year I've had the battery in

*cringes*

Yeah...that'll really screw up your battery life. Not good. Try to keep it out if you're not not running the lappy off battery power or charging the battery.

I wonder if it could also be the disc making my laptop overheat, yeah I have the DVD Rom version, not the digital version

Nope.

It would just be things that add heat, like using the laptop on the bed, or having the battery in or having the computer not ventilated properly.

[Dr. Doctor]

flemm wrote...

It's true lol. That's why that line fits so well in the Miranda romance. It's just weird that it's at the end of the Jacob LM, though I'm not really complaining.

Actually, Jacob's LM to me does more to develop Miranda's character than it does Jacob's:

Aeia

Shepard: Okay then, so you dad went mad with power and bent innocent people to his will using toxic fauna. Spectre manual says that in these situations we just shoot the guy responsible.

Jacob: Meh.

Shepard: Jacob, I'm going to kill your dad. The man you spent years trying to find? Hell, your ex-girlfriend went behind the Illusive Man's back to keep a promise that she made to you and all you can say is 'meh'?

Jacob: Pretty much.

Shepard: You know I could just leave him here with a pistol, forced to contemplate suicide or death by a bunch of crazy people. Or, you could always make a heartfelt speech about how you love your dad and that he should be given a fair trial by the Alliance.

Jacob: I don't really like forcing these conversations Shepard.

Shepard: (pulls trigger and sighs) Alright then, back to the ship.

[flemm]

The truth... you speak it

[android654]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

flemm wrote...

It's true lol. That's why that line fits so well in the Miranda romance. It's just weird that it's at the end of the Jacob LM, though I'm not really complaining.

Actually, Jacob's LM to me does more to develop Miranda's character than it does Jacob's:

Aeia

Shepard: Okay then, so you dad went mad with power and bent innocent people to his will using toxic fauna. Spectre manual says that in these situations we just shoot the guy responsible.

Jacob: Meh.

Shepard: Jacob, I'm going to kill your dad. The man you spent years trying to find? Hell, your ex-girlfriend went behind the Illusive Man's back to keep a promise that she made to you and all you can say is 'meh'?

Jacob: Pretty much.

Shepard: You know I could just leave him here with a pistol, forced to contemplate suicide or death by a bunch of crazy people. Or, you could always make a heartfelt speech about how you love your dad and that he should be given a fair trial by the Alliance.

Jacob: I don't really like forcing these conversations Shepard.

Shepard: (pulls trigger and sighs) Alright then, back to the ship.

You know that little conversation betwen Shepard, Jacob, TIM, and Miranda led me to feel that thier separation was perhaps Jacob's decision entirely.

That little bit between them is the only time after Freedom's Progress where their conversations aren't entirely professional. She made it sound as though the way they fell apart was his choosing and that she might have clung on a bit to the memory of them. Then even though he resolved the issues of a man he believed dead, he seemed trouble but I think it has to do with the fact that Miranda kept searching for his father long after they grew a cold distance between each other.

Oh snap! I think I figured out the surprise in ME3, Miri leaves Shepard before he wakes up only to run off with Jacob.

[schemata]

android654 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

flemm wrote...

It's true lol. That's why that line fits so well in the Miranda romance. It's just weird that it's at the end of the Jacob LM, though I'm not really complaining.

Actually, Jacob's LM to me does more to develop Miranda's character than it does Jacob's:

Aeia

Shepard: Okay then, so you dad went mad with power and bent innocent people to his will using toxic fauna. Spectre manual says that in these situations we just shoot the guy responsible.

Jacob: Meh.

Shepard: Jacob, I'm going to kill your dad. The man you spent years trying to find? Hell, your ex-girlfriend went behind the Illusive Man's back to keep a promise that she made to you and all you can say is 'meh'?

Jacob: Pretty much.

Shepard: You know I could just leave him here with a pistol, forced to contemplate suicide or death by a bunch of crazy people. Or, you could always make a heartfelt speech about how you love your dad and that he should be given a fair trial by the Alliance.

Jacob: I don't really like forcing these conversations Shepard.

Shepard: (pulls trigger and sighs) Alright then, back to the ship.

You know that little conversation betwen Shepard, Jacob, TIM, and Miranda led me to feel that thier separation was perhaps Jacob's decision entirely.

That little bit between them is the only time after Freedom's Progress where their conversations aren't entirely professional. She made it sound as though the way they fell apart was his choosing and that she might have clung on a bit to the memory of them. Then even though he resolved the issues of a man he believed dead, he seemed trouble but I think it has to do with the fact that Miranda kept searching for his father long after they grew a cold distance between each other.

Oh snap! I think I figured out the surprise in ME3, Miri leaves Shepard before he wakes up only to run off with Jacob.

I think Jacob's LM was ok, and others speak to his character. Noteably, Jack, and Samara.  He's a good guy, and doesn't know how good.  Jack points this out by saying "Jacob doesn't know who he is but that's not my problem.  Samara I feel leaves his fate open;  He'll either ascend through the bad times a Great guy or he'll be crushed.  however I still believe he's just not on miri's level, and isnt ashamed to admit it.  (Which btw would KILL a femshep relationship. Nobody wants to be someones after thought, what they "settle for.") 

I think as far as the debriefing with TIM, shep, jacob, and miri its a testament to her "character" that even though theyve moved away from each other- she still keeps her word to him.  I think its nuanced and executed pretty well. something I felt was just another piece that spoke volumes about her.  Add to that I feel she internalized their relationship before shep had ever entered the picture. She's not the type to dwell or even hold on to baggage.  Which if I remember right was one of the striking moments for me, on my first playthough that made her really catch my eye.

The same time there is conversation you can initiate with jacob, asking about his and miris relationship. Jake warns to drop it; but you can take it further by telling him your interested in her. He gets pretty offended and ends the conversation.  However I dont think it was cause it was an open wound for him, just that he has... higher values and doesnt deem it appropiate to talk about out of respect for her and what they had. Or, that was my initial take anyway.

going back a page or two there was a discussion about what the new cerberus would be called, and Id def vote for ATLAS as it would be very fitting. And proth- prometheus was it? reminds me of FEAR, and was the name of the project from that game.

One last note, I never really consider women playing ME before, and didnt really think of what their situation might be like as far as L.I. go.  But I bet money there going to knock it out of the park with Vega, especially considering he's going to embody sawyer from Lost. (sorry for spelling, peace)

[android654]

schemata wrote...

I think as far as the debriefing with TIM, shep, jacob, and miri its a testament to her "character" that even though theyve moved away from each other- she still keeps her word to him.  I think its nuanced and executed pretty well. something I felt was just another piece that spoke volumes about her.  Add to that I feel she internalized their relationship before shep had ever entered the picture. She's not the type to dwell or even hold on to baggage.  Which if I remember right was one of the striking moments for me, on my first playthough that made her really catch my eye.

The same time there is conversation you can initiate with jacob, asking about his and miris relationship. Jake warns to drop it; but you can take it further by telling him your interested in her. He gets pretty offended and ends the conversation.  However I dont think it was cause it was an open wound for him, just that he has... higher values and doesnt deem it appropiate to talk about out of respect for her and what they had. Or, that was my initial take anyway.

That just isn't true. Miranda holds onto a lot of things. Shepard makes a point to point out how often she references her father and his hand guiding her entire life.

She's a person who takes control of situations, but I think that a big part of that is because she doesn't let things go. If something bothers her, whether its something serious like her father hunting Oriana or something relatively benign like a bad break up, she seems to never fully let go. I'd wager that she would still think about Jacob, less and less over time, but I think there would be lingering feelings that wouldn't let the door close completely.

I think Jacob's got archetypical alpha male personality, but is putting that aside from his work. Methinks he doesn't like other men going ofter what was once his.

[flemm]

android654 wrote...
That just isn't true. Miranda holds onto a lot of things. Shepard makes a point to point out how often she references her father and his hand guiding her entire life.

She's a person who takes control of situations, but I think that a big part of that is because she doesn't let things go. If something bothers her, whether its something serious like her father hunting Oriana or something relatively benign like a bad break up, she seems to never fully let go. I'd wager that she would still think about Jacob, less and less over time, but I think there would be lingering feelings that wouldn't let the door close completely.

Well, it's a brief little glimpse that one can interpret a variety of different ways, but I tend to find schemata's interpretation to be more convincing. One of Miranda's defining traits is loyalty, so that's what it seems to be about really, more than lingering feelings: a promise kept.

There's nothing to indicate how they broke up, probably mutual? But, if anything, there seems to be more lingering feelings on Jacob's side, due to how he talks about her. Miranda doesn't talk about/to Jacob much, and when she does, it tends to be a little condescending.

Modifié par flemm, 13 janvier 2012 - 06:29 .

[schemata]

android654 wrote...

schemata wrote...

I think as far as the debriefing with TIM, shep, jacob, and miri its a testament to her "character" that even though theyve moved away from each other- she still keeps her word to him.  I think its nuanced and executed pretty well. something I felt was just another piece that spoke volumes about her.  Add to that I feel she internalized their relationship before shep had ever entered the picture. She's not the type to dwell or even hold on to baggage.  Which if I remember right was one of the striking moments for me, on my first playthough that made her really catch my eye.

The same time there is conversation you can initiate with jacob, asking about his and miris relationship. Jake warns to drop it; but you can take it further by telling him your interested in her. He gets pretty offended and ends the conversation.  However I dont think it was cause it was an open wound for him, just that he has... higher values and doesnt deem it appropiate to talk about out of respect for her and what they had. Or, that was my initial take anyway.

That just isn't true. Miranda holds onto a lot of things. Shepard makes a point to point out how often she references her father and his hand guiding her entire life.

She's a person who takes control of situations, but I think that a big part of that is because she doesn't let things go. If something bothers her, whether its something serious like her father hunting Oriana or something relatively benign like a bad break up, she seems to never fully let go. I'd wager that she would still think about Jacob, less and less over time, but I think there would be lingering feelings that wouldn't let the door close completely.

I think Jacob's got archetypical alpha male personality, but is putting that aside from his work. Methinks he doesn't like other men going ofter what was once his.

I dont think your wrong but you def have a different perspective than I do, and its one Im taking in and thinking about.  But to clarify my position.  I wouldnt say that she never lets go of anything due to her need for control, but issues of control can be found in her core, or spirit.   however I only think its too a point.  I believe miri is multi dimensional. I also believe she's pragmatic. As in, she'll deal with an issue until its resolved, and once its resolved shes almost immediately "over it." think of her shooting wilson; it needed to be done, she did it- nothing more to discuss. Or her line before Freedoms progress when shep trys to dig into her character, she ends the conversation with, we can talk about it- or do it (referring to the mission over engaging in small talk.)  I can think of a few scenes where that ISN'T the case however again I would stress her being multidimensional.   I do think her relationship with her father is a completely different bag of peanuts, and isnt about control or being pragmatic.

I do think her passing jacob his LM was speaking more to the audience about her keeping her word- regardless of circumstances between them, (jacob mentioning there history and so on) which that debriefing was giving a window to her character. 

Edit: for a misspelling and.    You think jacob is the archetype alpha male?  I thought he bowed down to shep any chance he got. This is something Im also thinking on, wondering others opinions are as well.

another edit: I thought jacobs LM, was to elaborate on jacobs values and core; and how he brings in the justice system alliance to handle the situation even though he's deeply tied to the main bad guy of this small subplot.  also wondered if it was to give doubts as to jacobs future, showing where he comes from (his father) couldnt handle being in command. Maybe implying there may be underlying weaknesses to jacob.  But these ideas are a stretch and kinda out there, even for me.

Modifié par schemata, 13 janvier 2012 - 07:11 .

[JosephDucreux]

So I'm guessing BW won't un-douchebag and reveal something about Miri?

*ragequit*

[schemata]

Samara: Miranda is undoubtedly a hard woman I respect her strength and determination she carries many burdens and doesn't share them with others... as it should be.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

Portrait excerpt:

Claire had been a success. Her older sisters had been genetic defectives I had been forced to discard. Some would call me cruel for that. Wasn't it enough to have circumvented my sterility and created a genetic child of my own? But if all I wanted was an infant to dandle on my knee, that were cheaper methods of getting one of those. To him who much is given, much will be required. I had been given much. Humanity needed heroes, now more than ever. We needed to be faster, stronger, and smarter if we were ever going to compete with the aliens. My children would be the first of this stronger humanity. There was no sense diverting resources away from those who would never succeed to those who could, even if they were my flesh and blood. I discarded Eve and Amanda to focus on Claire.

Claire hated me. I always knew she would hate me for driving her almost beyond endurance. Instead of tea parties, she had math lessons. Instead of friends, she had tutors. I never gave her birthday gifts the way other fathers did. She earned every present I ever gave her, and I earned her undying hatred. I have my reasons, even if she still didn't understand them. There was no achievement without adversity. Genetics were only the foundation; the traits must be nurtured to express properly. Genes controlled intelligence, but it was environment that determined whether that intelligence would be expressed in becoming a great scientist or making homemade bombs. So I drove her.

My only true mistake was the operation, but how could I turn down the chance to give my daughter that kind of power? Perhaps I should have discarded her. The pain limited her in ways I could never have dreamed. She was easily tired, and a hundred ordinary things were now beyond her. But a curious thing happened: I began to love her. So many would have simply given up after what happened to her, but Claire kept fighting. She completed every task I set for her. Far from weakening her, the pain had made her more inventive and determined than before. Whereas she once would have simply overpowered an opponent in a self-defense class, she now outthought them. She was the true heir I had conceived of when I began this project all those years ago.

And then she left. I knew she would. What kind of successor would she be if she simply endured my regimen? She outwitted my guards and defeated my security system. Clever girl. She went to Cerberus, just as I knew she would. My constant talk of needing to help humanity rubbed off on her after all. Someday, though, my brilliant darling girl would return to reclaim what was rightfully hers. Probably by killing me. That hardly mattered. The day she did was the day she vindicated everything I had ever done to make her what she was.

I never counted on her taking the spare with her.

Very good, jtav. If only the ME3 version turned out to be this interesting. Then Miranda would have a real decision on her hands when she meets him again instead of a foregone conclusion, and we could have a debate about how justified he might have been considering that the result is Miranda instead of all agreeing that he must of course die. Scant hope of that, sad to say.

Also interesting to note that in this timeline, Miranda was wrong when she attributed only selfish motivations to her father. Of course he wants the improved humans to be his legacy and not someone else's, and he has a disregard for those who would be left behind, but that doesn't change that the benefit goes beyond himself. He's even prepared to accept death as a consequence of his actions in true Nietzschean fashion. Not a man easy to judge. Reminds me of Thane's line "The measure of an individual can be difficult to discern by actions alone".

[Ieldra]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
Getting off of this whole NDA discussion. What do you suppose is going to happen with Cerberus post-ME3? Taking out TIM might cripple the organization but there's potentially other cells and experiments laying around the galaxy. I'm sort of picturing a post-ME3 story where Shepard and Miranda hunt down the remaining cells to keep their work from falling into the wrong hands.

I don't think we'll hear anything about that. I think they'll write it so that Cerberus cells are either indoctrinated by TIM and destroyed afterwards, gone over to the Alliance or - if we'll get that scenario - controlled by Miranda. Remember, this is supposed to be THE END - they'll wrap up everything that can plausibly be in a final way. 

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
You don't want to know how long it took me to learn to spell her last name.

You think that's difficult? Try her original (Polish) name: Yvonne Strzechowski. "Strahovski" is, in fact, a stage name adopted for easier pronounciation (source: Wikipedia).

[Hillbillyshep]

schemata wrote...





Samara: Miranda is undoubtedly a hard woman I respect her strength and determination she carries many burdens and doesn't share them with others... as it should be.

That hair mod is horrible. 

[JosephDucreux]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
You don't want to know how long it took me to learn to spell her last name.

You think that's difficult? Try her original (Polish) name: Yvonne Strzechowski. "Strahovski" is, in fact, a stage name adopted for easier pronounciation (source: Wikipedia).

You think that's bad? Try reading it in the original Polish script. Saw it somewhere and...you get the idea.

[Ieldra]

schemata wrote...
[...]however I still believe he's just not on miri's level, and isnt ashamed to admit it.  (Which btw would KILL a femshep relationship. Nobody wants to be someones after thought, what they "settle for.") 

Well yes, he is not on Miranda's level, that's why I never rooted for them, even when I played femSheps. But that's exactly what jtav complained about. If Miranda requires "a better man than I", what does that say about femShep? Clearly, someone at Bioware didn't think enough of the femShep side.

I think as far as the debriefing with TIM, shep, jacob, and miri its a testament to her "character" that even though theyve moved away from each other- she still keeps her word to him.  I think its nuanced and executed pretty well. something I felt was just another piece that spoke volumes about her.  Add to that I feel she internalized their relationship before shep had ever entered the picture. She's not the type to dwell or even hold on to baggage.  Which if I remember right was one of the striking moments for me, on my first playthough that made her really catch my eye.

Yes, I agree that scene added greatly to her characterization. She doesn't forget and discharges her obligations, or what she feels are her obligations, but she puts things behind. The downside is that neither will she forget old grudges, in the same semi-detached manner where they don't stay an issue but action might be taken to "correct" things. 

The same time there is conversation you can initiate with jacob, asking about his and miris relationship. Jake warns to drop it; but you can take it further by telling him your interested in her. He gets pretty offended and ends the conversation.  However I dont think it was cause it was an open wound for him, just that he has... higher values and doesnt deem it appropiate to talk about out of respect for her and what they had. Or, that was my initial take anyway.

Higher values? I think he simply doesn't like to talk about himself and his feelings. He thinks you're intrusive by continuing your questions - and actually, he might have a point. However, in my games he never got offended when I told him I was interested in Miranda. He just answers "If I knew what makes her tick, I'd be with her....or dead."

going back a page or two there was a discussion about what the new cerberus would be called, and Id def vote for ATLAS as it would be very fitting. And proth- prometheus was it? reminds me of FEAR, and was the name of the project from that game.

I recommend reading up on Greek mythology: Prometheus.