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[Repearized Miranda]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

If Miri hid her doubts at first, why?

Out of respect or fear? I don't know. She's been his subordinate for so long - everytime he said jump, she said "How high!" (Like the Council/Alliance expects Shepard to do) She didn't want to tick him off. I mean, he was essentially a "father figure" to her as we don't know next to nothing about her father - except his participation in how she become and that he's also tied to Cerberus (which might be why she joined. "It's in her blood - erm, genes" if you will") However, she didn't expect TIM to be as ruthless if not more ruthless than her father.

She wouldn't even dare imagine her father doing what TIM is despite having the same philosophy.

That's the personal side of it.

The professional side would be that TIM "glamourized" the idea of being part of Cerberus which was obviously very appealing to her.  Sure, some say she should have left after upteenth failed projects and we know Jack's the last person she should've lay eyes on (too late of course). Yet, she stayed? Why? 

Given the end of ME2 (The Base), TIM was not going to let his genetic success get away from him as you see he's pissed now because she did - despite his pleading (I think she would have left if you chose to have kept the base; therefore, the appeasing to Paragons isn't necessarily true)

[Melra]

 Bit moar pics again, some from last, some from current playthrough.








Random TIM pic, but meh. That could be Miri's chair.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

^ YAY Miri pics!!!!<3<3<3<3

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 26 juin 2011 - 10:17 .

[Caihn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

For the most part I RP that the seeds of doubt were planted after Horizon. Sprouted during the Collector Ship and were fully grown when she resigned.

Personally, I also add the 1st romance conversation to this list.
IMO the conversation about Cerberus sounds like the typical Cerberus propaganda speach, with Miranda trying to convice herself that Cerberus motives are right and still in accord with her personal convictions.

(just my opinion, I understand that other people interpret this scene differently)

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

This is My Screenshot. I added her name AND it is currently my Wallpaper on my Laptop.<3<3<3<3

[Vertigo_1]

Yannkee wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

For the most part I RP that the seeds of doubt were planted after Horizon. Sprouted during the Collector Ship and were fully grown when she resigned.

Personally, I also add the 1st romance conversation to this list.
IMO the conversation about Cerberus sounds like the typical Cerberus propaganda speach, with Miranda trying to convice herself that Cerberus motives are right and still in accord with her personal convictions.

(just my opinion, I understand that other people interpret this scene differently)

Well if we are adding conversations on the Normandy then yes I can see this too.
I was focusing more 'outside' of the Normandy.

[Caihn]

Melrache wrote...

 Bit moar pics again, some from last, some from current playthrough.

I see you use the settings I gave you.
I use the same, but now I lowered the gamma and brightness level.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I also made this from PhotoShop. This was my VERY first "Fan Pic" Tell me what you think

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 26 juin 2011 - 10:24 .

[Melra]

I personally think the doubts began sometime around, when she started to see what Shepard was capable of, it may have made him have really small doubts, but they were far too minor to have much weight. Collector Vessel, was the turning point in my opinion.

My current Shepard is bit ''meh'' about Cerberus, he doesn't trust them nor like them too much, but he doesn't see the point in complaining about it constantly. He's just doing his ''job''.

[Future_Reaper88]

^ I love Miri pics  I am always enchanted by her beauty. 

 Oh I think I have company. *kills cerberus operative sneaking up from behind.*

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Future_Reaper88 wrote...

^ I love Miri pics  I am always enchanted by her beauty. 

 

This lol<3

[MisterJB]

Melrache wrote...
He couldn't have done much. Alliance couldn't have been drawn there in larger number, else the war with Terminus systems would've broken out. Same goes for other council races,

I'm not asking to have fleets standing by but anything is better than warning Shepard only after the colony has already gone silent.
Cerberus has commandos.

also if he hadn't done it, larger colony may have been abducted.  There were colonies constantly vanishing, while you were going on in the game.

That was the only way to at least try and affect on where they'd go next. There always has to be some sort of sacrifice to get back into the game, that you're currently losing.

But did we really get back into the game? What did we win?
We never see TIM doing much with the knowledge that the Collectors were interested in Shepard and alerting them to the fact that Shepard is alive could have sped up the Collectors' operations thus leading to the abduction of the much larger colonies you spoke of.

[MisterJB]

Yannkee wrote...
Personally, I also add the 1st romance conversation to this list.
IMO the conversation about Cerberus sounds like the typical Cerberus propaganda speach, with Miranda trying to convice herself that Cerberus motives are right and still in accord with her personal convictions.

Are you referring to when Miranda defends the Cerberus' operations we encounter in ME1?
Quite frankly, I tought her justifications were all very reasonable.

[alperez]

Melrache wrote...

I personally think the doubts began sometime around, when she started to see what Shepard was capable of, it may have made him have really small doubts, but they were far too minor to have much weight. Collector Vessel, was the turning point in my opinion.

.

Thats mostly how i see it also, that and certain dialogue choices you make as Shepard where you question why she is so loyal to Cerberus and so on. I don't think Pre-Shepard she thought there was any other way to do things than Cerberus's way (or any right way anyhow) but when Shepard came along she wondered about it, then when Shepard questions her (it might be the first time someone actually did that) it created even more doubt in her mind.

Events play their part also, Collector Vessel, Pragia and it comes to a head during the SM, but thats just my take on it, others rightly can take their own also.

[Caihn]

Melrache wrote...

My current Shepard is bit ''meh'' about Cerberus, he doesn't trust them nor like them too much, but he doesn't see the point in complaining about it constantly. He's just doing his ''job''.

As well as most of my Shepards 

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Yannkee wrote...
As well as most of my Shepards 

What cconsequences do you see happening since Miri resigned? I for one hope to see none.

I can't see any reason as to why there would be, but I just feel a bit....concerned.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 26 juin 2011 - 10:34 .

[Melra]

Pragia doesn't always happen on my playthroughs, I am hard at taking ''orders'' from someone who I respect less than sewer rat. I do the opposite, that is asked, usually. So that doesn't happen on everyone's playthrough.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Melrache wrote...

Pragia doesn't always happen on my playthroughs, I am hard at taking ''orders'' from someone who I respect less than sewer rat. I do the opposite, that is asked, usually. So that doesn't happen on everyone's playthrough.

What do you say to jack if you say no? I never tried before.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 26 juin 2011 - 10:36 .

[Repearized Miranda]

Melrache wrote...

I personally think the doubts began sometime around, when she started to see what Shepard was capable of, it may have made him have really small doubts, but they were far too minor to have much weight. Collector Vessel, was the turning point in my opinion.

My current Shepard is bit ''meh'' about Cerberus, he doesn't trust them nor like them too much, but he doesn't see the point in complaining about it constantly. He's just doing his ''job''.

What about a Ren Shep? I could see doubting Shep, but maybe she was doubting TIM as well. She didn't seem to confident. "No, no, he wouldn't!" Yet, two TIM traps later. "Oh, yes, the hell he would, Miri!" My Shep was all about her business, too (that sounded wrong); however, she told TIM to basically stuff it! He jerked her around for the whole game (His three traps) and I'm supposed to be okay with that? Hell no! (Miri feels the same way)

[Vertigo_1]

Melrache wrote...

Pragia doesn't always happen on my playthroughs, I am hard at taking ''orders'' from someone who I respect less than sewer rat. I do the opposite, that is asked, usually. So that doesn't happen on everyone's playthrough.

OUCH!

[MisterJB]

Melrache wrote...

Pragia doesn't always happen on my playthroughs, I am hard at taking ''orders'' from someone who I respect less than sewer rat. I do the opposite, that is asked, usually. So that doesn't happen on everyone's playthrough.

Curiously, Miranda knows about Pragia even if you never do Subject Zero's LM.
 
"A mistake, no question. Not mine. And one that was corrected once we understood the extent of the experiments being performed."

[Melra]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Pragia doesn't always happen on my playthroughs, I am hard at taking ''orders'' from someone who I respect less than sewer rat. I do the opposite, that is asked, usually. So that doesn't happen on everyone's playthrough.

What do you say to jack if you say no?

I don't say no, I just ignore her and hope she doesn't snap and kill my awesome engineer duo.

I don't really think about how things work out with other Shepards. I just play how I feel and hope it ends in some acceptable way, that feels personal. I want to meta game as little as possible.

Yannkee wrote...

Melrache wrote...

 Bit moar pics again, some from last, some from current playthrough.

I see you use the settings I gave you.
I use the same, but now I lowered the gamma and brightness level.

Uhu! I've mentioned it few times already on this thread.

Modifié par Melrache, 26 juin 2011 - 10:46 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Melrache wrote...


I don't say no, I just ignore her and hope she doesn't snap and kill my awesome engineer duo.

I don't really think about how things work out with other Shepards. I just play how I feel and hope it ends in some acceptable way, that feels personal. I want to meta game as little as possible.

Meta Gaming is the player making decisions with knowledge the character(Shepard) does not have, correct?

What does it mean fully in lamens terms....? rofl:P

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 26 juin 2011 - 10:44 .

[alperez]

Melrache

Is that just because you dislike Jack as a character? Or is it more if you don't like the situation as its presented you'll go another route kind of thing?

[Melra]

alperez wrote...

Melrache

Is that just because you dislike Jack as a character? Or is it more if you don't like the situation as its presented you'll go another route kind of thing?

I don't like Jack period, but it works the same way in real life, if I don't respect someone and I end up into situation like that I do the opposite. It became less so after bit of military training, but it's still there, though back there you could just forget the person and respect the rank.