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[wright1978]

Spacer - War Hero is definitely my favourite background. When Miranda exclaims Shep is a bloody icon i think the War Hero part gives that greater resonance. I like the spacer background before i even met Miranda in ME2 but i do feel Miranda & spacer background are a pretty nice mesh.

[flemm]

Wow, this page was full of epic win in the imagery department. Nicely done.

Edit: And by "this page," I mean last page, I was too slow 

Ieldra2 wrote...
But I disagree with the interpretation that the videos - or any parts of Miranda's dossier - imply anything about the relationship between Miranda and Shepard.

Well, that's not quite what I mean (it's all prior to the relationship with Shepard, except perhaps the chat with Oriana and the medical report). But... I think it will become clear in ME3.

Modifié par flemm, 14 janvier 2012 - 02:11 .

[jtav]

I did Colonist because I liked the "farm boy/princess" resonance. The class issues are never far from Matt's mind. He's given himself a crash course on classical music just so he can keep up with her.

[schemata]

@android- yeah I think it can rest with how much your looking to Roleplay, as the missions are either none, or slim to none, as far as your background so your fairly free to flesh out your own background.  I know where your coming from with wanting a character with a... jaded background.

@wright- never did think of it that way.  def can see how you can, and how it would amplify the resonance of miri's statement, (where other sheps of different backgrounds may solely think of the battle of the citadel.) Its clever how some things can add substance to dialogue, while not taking anything away if you don't have charaterization to match.

Man Ive got to say Im really suprised Miri doesnt come back as a squadmate for ME3, ive been doing a playthrough and she's so pivotal in the story- and your nudged in her direction by game design. For example, her  (and jacobs) LM are the first to come up. The character selection screen has her dead center.  Jacob, another squadmate notes that she deserves a better man than him, (how can you not buck up to that statement?) And she cant die even if she's not loyal during the fire team mission.

Just overall yeah- bummy situation her role isnt.... more.

[flemm]

schemata wrote...
 And she cant die even if she's not loyal during the fire team mission.

Well, it's so she can deliver dialog. Really, most of that stuff can simply be explained as a function of her prominence in ME2.

As far as ME3 is concerned, we'll see.

Edit: As a random thought on the squad selection, it's interesting that Miranda and Garrus (front and center) are apparently most-used and one of the most-used respectively. Probably Grunt is used quite a bit (big guy slightly off-center, but stepping forward). The amount the others are used may drop off precipitously after that.

Could be the whole process of squad selection was redesigned in ME3 with that in mind.

Modifié par flemm, 14 janvier 2012 - 02:20 .

[jtav]

And I'd hardly say her romance is an argument. Most people don't romance at all. Her very centrality to the plot makes her difficult to bring back. It's a lot easier to bring back the sidekicks.

Just pray for a good story.

[Vertigo_1]

flemm wrote...

schemata wrote...
 And she cant die even if she's not loyal during the fire team mission.

Well, it's so she can deliver dialog. Really, most of that stuff can simply be explained as a function of her prominence in ME2.

There's also the fact that you need to have a biotic squadmate for the bubble stage; there are a sequence of events whereby you can get Jacob & Jack killed and not have Thane or Samara recruited

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Modifié par Vertigo_1, 14 janvier 2012 - 02:37 .

[Ieldra]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

flemm wrote...

schemata wrote...
 And she cant die even if she's not loyal during the fire team mission.

Well, it's so she can deliver dialog. Really, most of that stuff can simply be explained as a function of her prominence in ME2.

There's also the fact that you need to have a biotic squadmate for the bubble stage; there are a sequence of events whereby you can get Jacob & Jack killed and not have Thane or Samara recruited

Which leads to the paradoxical fact that you can't choose Miranda - who has tech skills - for the vents, while you can choose Jacob, who hasn't got them.

As for Miranda and Garrus, that they were the most-used team members and still end up one on the team and one off it means that this wasn't the primary consideration when the team was decided on.

[naledgeborn]

schemata wrote...

You were born on Earth, but you never knew your parents. A child of the streets, you learned to live by your wits and guts, surviving in the hidden underbelly of the megatropolises of humanity's homeworld.

yeah that description makes me feel like mouse or something from ME2, a street rat I guess.  didnt like the feel of it.  Defined me too much for my tastes. 

Got something against the underprivileged? LOL. Based on my upbringing "street rat" can be loosely applied to myself. Though not all people from "da ghetto" are thugs, pimps, and hoes. Some people do grow up and move on with their life you know. 

Anyway, I like Earthborn because I can relate to it best.

[jtav]

The fact that two of the backgrounds are underprivileged is something I wish they'd played with more.

[JeffZero]

I fit the "Earthborn" description pretty damn aptly, relatively speaking. I was most definitely something of a street rat. Born in Co-Op City in the Bronx, NYC. The projects, in other words. Homeless for a rather depressing amount of time as a kid. Growing up, I had very little.

Making something of myself despite it all.

[naledgeborn]

JeffZero wrote...

Making something of myself despite it all.

And this is why Earthborn is my favorite.

[android654]

JeffZero wrote...

I fit the "Earthborn" description pretty damn aptly, relatively speaking. I was most definitely something of a street rat. Born in Co-Op City in the Bronx, NYC. The projects, in other words. Homeless for a rather depressing amount of time as a kid. Growing up, I had very little.

Making something of myself despite it all.

Co-op isn't that bad, there are was worse places all over New York than Co-op. I'm from the South Bronx and a lot of places there can be way sketchier than Co-op. But now that I'm in manhattan, I wouldn't want to go to Co-op.

Also, some Miranda!

Modifié par android654, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:35 .

[Ieldra]

In RL I have no contact with "street kid" backgrounds, but I like the Earthborn origin for two reasons:

(1) I like coming from the center of human culture, in both the good and the bad aspects.
(2) I find it very appropriate that Shepard with his street kid background and Miranda from the upper class secure the future of the human species together.

[schemata]

naledgeborn wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Making something of myself despite it all.

And this is why Earthborn is my favorite.

I get that really.  not to say I didn't dislike earthborn, I just didnt want to be tied down to too much detail.  If it had offered a wider spectrum of lifestyles from earth, and mentioned I may have been a part of several I might've jumped on it. Whereas spacer and colonist were very open ended.  But moreso because its a Sci Fi and I wanted my very being to be tied to that, which a spacer and colonist offered.  But I see now where others are coming from and why it was their choice which new perspective is always cool.

with that in mind, this.

[android654]

jtav wrote...

The fact that two of the backgrounds are underprivileged is something I wish they'd played with more.

If I remember correctly, if you were a colonist you meet someone who's also a survivor from the batarian attack that was well written and voiced. If you were Earth born, I think you meet a member from a former gang or something to that affect, that you knew as a kid who's homeless on the citadel. Although, now I'm thinking I may be confusing that quest with Spacer.

ME3 should really make some kind of effort to have your Shepard's origins mean something, otherwise there's no point in really having it.

[jtav]

I will say, though, that I don't blame a colonist for wanting to lynch Miranda. Talitha makes it quite clear the batarians used control chips. So for sheer being less likely to want to kill her I'd go Spacer or Earthborn/Ruthless.

[schemata]

Ieldra2 wrote...

In RL I have no contact with "street kid" backgrounds, but I like the Earthborn origin for two reasons:

(1) I like coming from the center of human culture, in both the good and the bad aspects.
(2) I find it very appropriate that Shepard with his street kid background and Miranda from the upper class secure the future of the human species together.

                                                                                








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[JeffZero]

@android

Yeah, fair enough. There definitely are worse places. But, haha, I hear you on Manhattan.

@schemata

I can understand the desire to go full-on sci-fi, too. One of my main Shepard's, the woman Elhaym, is a Colonist. It can certainly be fun as well.

By the way, everyone, the devs have stated that there will be more relevance drawn to background in ME3 than in ME2. Which is good considering how little 2 did with it. I do feel that ME1 had enough content for it though. Something closer to that game's amount of background content should do just fine, I think.

[MisterJB]

But, on the other hand, hearing Jack Harper talk about how entire colonies are disapearing ought to have hit close to home to a Colonist who would then consider working with Cerberus as small price to pay to stop the abductions.

Different dialogue options based on Shepard's profile would have been epic.

schemata: There's nothing particularly Renegade about wanting the best for your own people. The methods you might take to achieve it are what define Shepard as a Paragon or Renegade.

[schemata]

JeffZero wrote...

@android

Yeah, fair enough. There definitely are worse places. But, haha, I hear you on Manhattan.

@schemata

I can understand the desire to go full-on sci-fi, too. One of my main Shepard's, the woman Elhaym, is a Colonist. It can certainly be fun as well.

By the way, everyone, the devs have stated that there will be more relevance drawn to background in ME3 than in ME2. Which is good considering how little 2 did with it. I do feel that ME1 had enough content for it though. Something closer to that game's amount of background content should do just fine, I think.

also hear sheps background comes into play regardless of what you chose... something universal I guess.  (havent and wont read leaks)

[enayasoul]

I can say, I totally missed that with the batarians and the control chip. hmm... I do remember talking her down from killing herself on the citadel.

I'm thinking of starting a new playthrough. Colonist, War hero...

[naledgeborn]

Prohuman = prohuman. Prohuman =/= Renegade (which is just "personality flavor"). I vote for the next BW IP to not have a karma meter.

[jtav]

Merely an observation. I seem to gravitate toward those backgrounds least suited to her on paper. And yet, I can't imagine Matt with anyone else.

[MisterJB]

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