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[naledgeborn]

"You're part of my team" pretty much invalidates that though. Not saying it shouldn't have been an option. People's perceptions constantly grow and change. She could have at first perceived Shepard as a lowly thug or traumatic case based on his background. She could be turned off by his inability to not blow anything up (heh that's fun). But spend enough time with someone you start to see their qualities and strengths (some of which she lacks) and could begin admiring it. Evidenced by her admiration of his fire and determination.

[ThomGau]

Maybe, she would, afterall doing Shepard isn't so bad . As long as it is not mentally degrading for her .
Wouldn't it screw up their professional and personnal relationship ?

I can't really give an objective point of view on that .

[naledgeborn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I tried actually. Gave up after a couple of first season eps.

Hard to keep watching a show if you despise the main character...

Hero's journey. I hated Luke in the first hour of ANH.

[jtav]

Oh, yes. But i have this Shepard who would just love a chance to break her. I say Lawrence dislikes her, but it's the sort of dislike a Vice cop has for the Mafia. Nicholas' comes with a raging helping of misogyny and sadism. She's gorgeous. He's a hero. How dare she not fall at his feet?

[Saint Hoehn]

Looking at past threads, I think the Ruthless Colonist background makes a hell of alot of sense as a prohuman character renegade, his normal life was destroyed by batarians, family gone, fueled by his hatred of aliens and what they had did to him, his anger propels his ruthless ambition to destroy anything in his path no matter what the cost

[Prudii Aden]

android654 wrote...

Prudii Aden wrote...

While others can empathise with the Earthborn background, Spacer is something I can empathise with - Spacer Sheps are the Services kids, moving around from place, the only constant being their family.

However, as a colonist or Earth born you have the opportunity to share something with Miranda that's central to her character that you can't share as a Spacer. Miranda is an orphan by choice, this is central to understanding her motivations and Shepard could be an orphan by circumstance. As a spacer, it makes Shepard into too traditional a person to be relatable to someone like Miranda.

Simply because the character does amazing things and is perfect in every sense of the word doesn't overwrite the fact that at her core Miranda is a misfit.

I'm not quite sure where you're coming from here. A Spacer Shep would understand and be able to relate to Miranda's need to protect those close to her, and would likely have seen more of the universe than the Colonist or Earthborn, thus understand to the same extent her reason for being with Cerberus.

Not quite sure where you're getting Spacer Shep being too traditional or Miranda being a misfit, either.

[naledgeborn]

LOL That's twisted. Palpatine Shepard.

[jtav]

Having a relatively trauma-free past is a good thing if you ask me.

[ThomGau]

About my " main character " argument, I wanted to clear up the fact that it would be immoral in a video game to suggest that as a choice .

I'm pretty sure that she must have had advances from Cerberus officers during her early career . Though given her intelligence she didn't need it .

You have a lot of different ways to RP Shepard . I do have a few aside from my canon Shep but nothing as " exotic " lol .

Modifié par ThomGau, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:32 .

[naledgeborn]

I don't think Spacer had it any better. While he had family and the stability of the military I always pictured it as being a solitary life. Family that was there were always focused on the job and duty. Make friends, move to another post. Make friends again, move again. Finally he just gave up at some point and stopped allowing people to get close.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:34 .

[Prudii Aden]

jtav wrote...

Having a relatively trauma-free past is a good thing if you ask me.

This is largely why I avoid Sole Survivor. Admittedly most of the Psych profiles come with some variety of potential trauma, but admittedly, they're all variants on survivor guilt.

[Prudii Aden]

naledgeborn wrote...

I don't think Spacer had it any better. While he had family and the stability of the military I always pictured it as being a solitary life. Family that was there were always focused on the job and duty. Make friends, move to another post. Make friends again, move again. Finally he just gave up at some point and stopped allowing people to get close.

That's how it tends to happen (not that I'm speaking from experience mind ) - you can make friends, however the friendships won't be quite as strong/deep as those whereby people have known eachother from birth or for multiple decades.

[Prudii Aden]

double post. Miranda image instead!



One of asakawa's fine drawings...

Modifié par Prudii Aden, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:42 .

[jtav]

I like SS because it's the least impressive. Shepard didn't do the impossible. He held on. Makes him more relatable.

[android654]

jtav wrote...

Having a relatively trauma-free past is a good thing if you ask me.

I think people grow through adversity, challenges people to see how resilient they are. To go from being an orphan on a colony that was butchered to be the most prized naval commander in the galaxy is way more impressive and challenging than being a military brat that slowly rose up the ladder.

Prudii Aden wrote...

android654 wrote...

Prudii Aden wrote...

While others can empathise with the Earthborn background, Spacer is something I can empathise with - Spacer Sheps are the Services kids, moving around from place, the only constant being their family.

However, as a colonist or Earth born you have the opportunity to share something with Miranda that's central to her character that you can't share as a Spacer. Miranda is an orphan by choice, this is central to understanding her motivations and Shepard could be an orphan by circumstance. As a spacer, it makes Shepard into too traditional a person to be relatable to someone like Miranda.

Simply because the character does amazing things and is perfect in every sense of the word doesn't overwrite the fact that at her core Miranda is a misfit.

I'm not quite sure where you're coming from here. A Spacer Shep would understand and be able to relate to Miranda's need to protect those close to her, and would likely have seen more of the universe than the Colonist or Earthborn, thus understand to the same extent her reason for being with Cerberus.

Not quite sure where you're getting Spacer Shep being too traditional or Miranda being a misfit, either.

I think someone who's family was destroyed when their home was turned into an abattoir would value saving afamily more than a normal person with a balanced home life.

If you consider how much Miranda values accomplishment and exceptional people, a Shepard who had to struggle in order to get a beginning and soon rose to be one of the most impressive people in history through his work alone would gain her attention easily.

Modifié par android654, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:47 .

[Prudii Aden]

Android - I think this is the point whereby we agree to disagree...

I'm going to maintain that the Spacer Shep's upbringing wasn't normal and that Shep would value it just as much as someone who saw it taken away from him, or one who never had one. Of all the backgrounds, the Colonist background pre batarians was the most stable of the lot.
Also, it's not like a Spacer Shep wouldn't have to struggle in the services, if anything else, they're more likely to have a tougher time because people would expect more of them due to their familiarity with the services.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I like SS because it's the least impressive. Shepard didn't do the impossible. He held on. Makes him more relatable.

I rarely take War Hero because well, I don't want my Shepard to start out as a war hero. And Ruthless defines him too much for my taste. That's why I tend to take SS. My Sole Survivors also don't suffer from survival's guilt. They held on and had the required piece of luck to survive, but that the others didn't doesn't bother him except for the loss of fellow soldiers as such.

As for Miranda's romance, I think all backgrounds and origins have something that would become a topic in the romance here or there and make it more interesting. Sole Survivor should actually be the most difficult to justify, but I tend to ignore that.  

[Prudii Aden]

Somewhat offtopic, but rather amusing all the same:
How to survive a Reaper Apocalypse

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I heard the ME3 Demo was pushed back.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I recall a scene someone wrote up a year ago, where a graphic designer begged Casey Hudson for a release delay so that he could get Miranda's ass more perfect.

And I imagine his response was: why did you spend all that extra time on her ass when you were supposed to be working on the facescan? You are responsable for Omega, have you seen what happens when she goes there, or do you never pivot the camera?!?!

I kid

Which parallel do you see in that?

Well, initially Shepard is an object to her, and she is just rebuilding him because she has been ordered to do so. She doesn't think it's a good idea. But eventually, her relationship to her creation evolves beyond that.

That's a bit like the designers being asked to come up with the model for the sexy Cerberus ice queen. At first it's just a job, but gradually there is more to it.

Modifié par flemm, 14 janvier 2012 - 07:47 .

[MisterJB]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I heard the ME3 Demo was pushed back.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I heard the ME3 Demo was pushed back.

Someone on YouTube mentioned that it was pushed back to February 7th. *shrugs*

[Dr. Doctor]

@MassEffectFan

It looks like Bioware has altered the deal


James, my cannon Shepard based off of Bucky Barnes from the Captain America comics is a Spacer/War Hero. RP wise he came out of ME1 as a Paragon. ME2 is his turning point, he's used to being the Hero of the Alliance and the Citadel, but instead of being welcomed back both organizations just want him out of their hair. Meanwhile, Cerberus not only believes him about the Reapers, they give him a ship, a crew, and the chance for him to continue his mission. ME3 is going to be the point where he leaves in Winter Soldier phase behind.

I'm also partial to the Colonist/Ruthless combination, but that's reserved for my Renegon Shepards. The Alliance considers what happend at the end of Arrival to be a cataclysm. Shepard thinks it was a pretty good day.

Modifié par Dr. Doctor, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:49 .

[Prudii Aden]

Indeed - my Colonist/Ruthless Shepards are of a similar opinion.

"What do you call the deaths of 300,000 Batarians?"
"A good start."
They really despise batarians.

Modifié par Prudii Aden, 14 janvier 2012 - 09:11 .

[Td1984]

 My MaleShep Thomas is Earthborn/War Hero. I threw together a timeline for him that's pretty bare bones, but what I would likely use in the event I were ever crazy enough to do a Shep/Miranda fan-fic. I put it together in a way that allows for Shep and Miri to know each other prior to the events of ME2. Like I said, I assembled it pretty much on the fly, so it could probably use some work.
- April 11, 2154: Born in Los Angeles to a teenaged mother. Never knew his father- either his mother didn't know who he was or otherwise never told Shepard his identity. Mother became addicted to drugs and Shepard basically took care of himself from a young age
- 2162: At the age of 8, his mother died of an overdose and with no other family, he was forced to live on the streets, eventually joining a gang (Tenth Street Reds)
- 2166: At the age of 12, he tried to steal from a 16-year-old woman (later to be revealed as Miranda Lawson) and got caught. She felt sorry for him and took him in. They lived in an apartment and she taught him for two years. He found out some of her background (only that she was from Sydney and had ran away from an abusive father) and gradually developed feelings for her.
- 2168: Miranda discovers that her father had tracked her down and she and Shepard (now 14) flee. Unfortunately, in the resulting chaos, they get separated and won't see each other for another 17 years. Shepard eventually manages to find a job and support himself until he reaches the age of 18 when he enlists in the Alliance Navy
- 2172 - 2183: Shepard rises through the ranks and eventually finds himself involved in the Battle of Elysium. His heroics there ultimately get him promoted to Commander. Afterwards, he finds out from a friend (who happens to also know Miranda) that Miranda is alive and working for Cerberus. The knowledge that she is still alive and managed to avoid being re-captured by her father is enough to keep him from falling for Ash during the events of ME1.
- 2183: One month after the Battle of the Citadel, Shepard is killed during a Collector attack that destroyed the Normandy SR-1. Cerberus recovers his body and Miranda is tasked with bringing him back from the dead.
- 2185: The project is a success and Shepard and Miranda are finally reunited. All is not well at first however as Miranda's experience with Cerberus has changed her and she "put up a wall"
- As the mission to stop the Collectors progresses, Shep is finally able to break through Miranda's defenses and finally begin to see the woman he once knew. She tells him about the events immediately following their separation. She realized her father had come with several of his men in an attempt to take her back home. Miranda also knew that he had been working on another daughter (Oriana) and that there would be fewer men back home protecting her, so she returned to Sydney and with the help of Niket, took Oriana and got off of Earth. She went to TIM for help and joined Cerberus. Knowing that she could not both work for Cerberus and be an effective mother to Oriana, she and TIM find her a new home out of the reach of her father.