82210 réponses à ce sujet

[Ieldra]

schemata wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Mordin is easily on the top 5 of my favorite characters in the entire Mass Effect universe.
The genophage was a necessary evil at the time. However, I feel that the Rebellions were as much the salarians's fault as the krogan's and, once it was over, there should have been a real effort on the part of the council races to influence the krogan culture with the purpose of making their existence alongside the other species a possibility. Instead, they washed their hands off the issue, condemning the krogan to a slow extinction. This lead to the continued need for the genophage until the krogans are gone.
However, with Wrex keeping the clans in line and leading them towards a better future, I believe it is time to start thinking about, if not curing it, at least reducing the severity of the genophage.

Pretty much summed up my thoughts way more concise then I couldve said it.  All my games have wrex and the general feel I get for it, is that the need for a genophage is dwindling. Wrex is a visionary.  but this does lead me to wonder what your other top four characters are in the ME universe?

I disagree. Wrex may be a visionary, but he's only one krogan and he has a limited lifespan even if he doesn't get killed by other krogan. I would never restore fertility to the pre-rebellion level, since I wouldn't trust the krogan to keep their population in check.

My top character is of course Miranda Then Mordin and Legion.

[AgitatedLemon]

wright1978 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

jtav wrote...

Not everyone. Jack's awesome. Mordin's funny as ever.Miranda seems to have lost her jagged edges.

I'm sort of getting the feeling that a lot of Miranda's story is going to be tied into the Cerberus arc. Other than TIM she's really the player's connection to Cerberus in ME2.

That's the feeling I had until the leak. Now, the evidence points the other way. As jtav said, at some point putting our hopes into what's missing becomes indistinguishable from wishful thinking. The problem is we don't know if we're past that point.
 

I'm definitely putting my hopes into the sizeable part that's missing as otherwise Miranda's role is devastatingly poor. As a pessimist i realise those hopes are likely to be dashed though.

I wouldn't go so far as to say "devastatingly poor". More like "Unpleasantly below-average".

On a 1/10, based solely on the concept of what is known so far, I'd give it a 6.

[wright1978]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I wouldn't go so far as to say "devastatingly poor". More like "Unpleasantly below-average".

On a 1/10, based solely on the concept of what is known so far, I'd give it a 6.

I'd give it a 3/10.

[AgitatedLemon]

wright1978 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I wouldn't go so far as to say "devastatingly poor". More like "Unpleasantly below-average".

On a 1/10, based solely on the concept of what is known so far, I'd give it a 6.

I'd give it a 3/10.

If I may ask, why do you dislike it so much? I mean, I see your posts and you seem vocal about it, but I don't think I've ever seen you explain why.

[Ieldra]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

jtav wrote...

Not everyone. Jack's awesome. Mordin's funny as ever.Miranda seems to have lost her jagged edges.

I'm sort of getting the feeling that a lot of Miranda's story is going to be tied into the Cerberus arc. Other than TIM she's really the player's connection to Cerberus in ME2.

That's the feeling I had until the leak. Now, the evidence points the other way. As jtav said, at some point putting our hopes into what's missing becomes indistinguishable from wishful thinking. The problem is we don't know if we're past that point.

Before I joined BSN and the spoiler/support groups/thread regarding her, I previously thought Miranda would have been a squadmate, regarding her ties to Cerberus, who is of course now a major antagonistic faction, with her personal missions involving her father at Sanctuary.

As much as I hate putting so much faith into something we have literally no information about, I think BioWare can pull it off.

Oh, I have no doubt in their ability to make an awesome Miranda story arc. It's more the fear that she didn't have a high enough priority in development to actually do so, or that constraints like "Only so many resources allocated to ME2-exclusive team members" might have ruined things. Also, if the leak is any indication, her new writer appears to have had some difficulty in getting into her. Some of her lines made me go "That doesn't sound like Miranda". More because of the phrasing than the content. I don't think giving a complex character like Miranda to a new writer is a good idea. The one-sidedness we're seeing in the script may be the result of that. 

[AgitatedLemon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

jtav wrote...

Not everyone. Jack's awesome. Mordin's funny as ever.Miranda seems to have lost her jagged edges.

I'm sort of getting the feeling that a lot of Miranda's story is going to be tied into the Cerberus arc. Other than TIM she's really the player's connection to Cerberus in ME2.

That's the feeling I had until the leak. Now, the evidence points the other way. As jtav said, at some point putting our hopes into what's missing becomes indistinguishable from wishful thinking. The problem is we don't know if we're past that point.

Before I joined BSN and the spoiler/support groups/thread regarding her, I previously thought Miranda would have been a squadmate, regarding her ties to Cerberus, who is of course now a major antagonistic faction, with her personal missions involving her father at Sanctuary.

As much as I hate putting so much faith into something we have literally no information about, I think BioWare can pull it off.

Oh, I have no doubt in their ability to make an awesome Miranda story arc. It's more the fear that she didn't have a high enough priority in development to actually do so, or that constraints like "Only so many resources allocated to ME2-exclusive team members" might have ruined things. Also, if the leak is any indication, her new writer appears to have had some difficulty in getting into her. Some of her lines made me go "That doesn't sound like Miranda". More because of the phrasing than the content. I don't think giving a complex character like Miranda to a new writer is a good idea. The one-sidedness we're seeing in the script may be the result of that. 

Huh. I never knew Miranda had a new writer (I haven't read any of the leaked dialogue, just the events that take palce).

The very least they could have done, since they have to sideline the ME2 cast, was distribute it greatest -> least, with the more "Important" characters (Miranda, Mordin, Legion) having a stronger ME3 story and presence. They already pissed off the fanbase of virtually every single ME2 exclusive character anyway.

[wright1978]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

If I may ask, why do you dislike it so much? I mean, I see your posts and you seem vocal about it, but I don't think I've ever seen you explain why.

I utterly hate the re-use of the Oriana plot hook. The mission annoys me and i think it is very poor and unoriginal. I'll tolerate it if there's actually a much better mission to follow. Kai Leng and romance stuff are decent.

[Ieldra]

@AgitatedLemon:
Well, it appears that Miranda has the most interaction of all ME2-exclusive team members, so apparently they did prioritize, even if it was within a sidelined group. I'm not exactly worried about the overall quantity of Miranda content (apart from the missing banter and on-mission comments, grrr), it's more about the quantity of content related to Miranda's Cerberus connection and her contribution to the endgame. Miranda is more than Oriana and romance. That's where the leaked script makes me worry.

BTW, I also dislike the re-use of the Oriana plot hook. It's as if they couldn't come up with something new. But unfortunately, it is plausible given that we're going to deal with her father. I recall when asked what part of Miranda's story we most wanted to be resolved in ME3, a majority answered "have her deal with her origin and let her come to a full acceptance of herself". That's exactly what we're getting. Of course, at that time I assumed the Cerberus stuff would be dealt with anyway as part of the main plot.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 janvier 2012 - 09:00 .

[AgitatedLemon]

wright1978 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

If I may ask, why do you dislike it so much? I mean, I see your posts and you seem vocal about it, but I don't think I've ever seen you explain why.

I utterly hate the re-use of the Oriana plot hook. The mission annoys me and i think it is very poor and unoriginal. I'll tolerate it if there's actually a much better mission to follow. Kai Leng and romance stuff are decent.

I dunno. I don't remember what Oriana's part even is, so I'll take your word for it.

[JosephDucreux]

Well, we all know that Bioware's writers usually fail to deliver, so...

Not big surprise.

[AgitatedLemon]

JosephDucreux wrote...

Well, we all know that Bioware's writers usually fail to deliver, so...

Not big surprise.

How so?

[JosephDucreux]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

JosephDucreux wrote...

Well, we all know that Bioware's writers usually fail to deliver, so...

Not big surprise.

How so?

Firstly, I was expecting ME2's sotry to be much better than it was. Also, just look at Mac Walter's books. And they hired HIM to be the chief writer.

Modifié par JosephDucreux, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:06 .

[AgitatedLemon]

I prefer Walters to Richard Knaak.

I get that your main character is supposed to overcome the obstacles, but good god, Knaak turns them INTO gods.

[JosephDucreux]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I prefer Walters to Richard Knaak.

I get that your main character is supposed to overcome the obstacles, but good god, Knaak turns them INTO gods.

It's like preferring ****** to Zyklon B for your breakfast drink.

[AgitatedLemon]

naledgeborn wrote...

"You're part of my team" pretty much invalidates that though. Not saying it shouldn't have been an option. People's perceptions constantly grow and change. She could have at first perceived Shepard as a lowly thug or traumatic case based on his background. She could be turned off by his inability to not blow anything up (heh that's fun). But spend enough time with someone you start to see their qualities and strengths (some of which she lacks) and could begin admiring it. Evidenced by her admiration of his fire and determination.

Another line that brings this to mind is "I don't have the same talent you do. That fire to make people willing to follow you into hell itself." (Paraphrased)

If at first she considered Shepard little more than muscle and gunpowder, she genuinely admires his leadership capabilities -- something your average grunt doesn't have.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 15 janvier 2012 - 12:05 .

[AgitatedLemon]

MisterJB wrote...

If all that can be said about Mordin in ME3 is that he is still funny, I fear for him. Not one of his defining characteristics, if you asked me.

That's probably because his humor is unintentional (To him).

For example: During the Miranda romance, when you talk to him enough times he'll offer you pamphlets regarding "Creative uses of mass effect fields".

[AgitatedLemon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Just noticed how much I'll miss a scene like this in ME3:

BioWare:

[ThomGau]

BW : the sadistic devils ?

[Ghost Warrior]

Seeing how much they changed the appearance of some characters in ME3 (Ash,Anderson),I hope they don't go too far with Miranda. But the most important thing is that they don't change her VA. I hate when they do that.

[Skullheart]

Well, if they changed the VA they should also change her face. Ii wouldn't feel right watching Miranda face with a different voice.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
As jtav said, at some point putting our hopes into what's missing becomes indistinguishable from wishful thinking.

While that is true, I believe I have been epicly stupid in my analysis of the leaked material. For the time being, just... remember I said that.

We'll talk about it more when the time comes 

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
As jtav said, at some point putting our hopes into what's missing becomes indistinguishable from wishful thinking.

While that is true, I believe I have been epicly stupid in my analysis of the leaked material. For the time being, just... remember I said that.

We'll talk about it more when the time comes 

If you don't spell things out now, we'll not be able to say if you're been right or wrong when the time comes. So....speak out.

BTW:
Just finished my last ME1 run before ME3. Got ninjamanced by Ashley for the first time in four years - I spoke with her exactly once before the locker scene! I wonder what triggers the romance. Also found a different reason to save the Council. They are expendable, but the Destiny Ascension is a symbol in the coming war and far less expendable. Nice that Shepard actually says "Save the Destiny Ascension". Nonetheless Cyrus Shepard ended up more Renegade than before due to killing Wrex. The ME2 import insists he was Paragon though. Strange.
Now looking forward for Miranda in ME2 again.

[Skullheart]

They should have given us the option to evacuate the council on an Alliance Frigate. Then use the Ascension to take down Sovereign. After all, it has the bigger and most powerful guns on Citadel space.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Does BioWare not notice the fact that there ARE ME2 Romancers out there? So far they are only pampering the ME1 Characters/LIs/Romancers. I mean, you see Mordin, BUT he's not in your Squad.

What, were all the the ME2 Exclusive Characters just dead weight to the Devs? Were they just something the Devs just placed in the story of ME2 just to keep the ME1 Freaks quiet, as if the ME2 Exclusive Characters have 0 importance what so ever?

Were they just a ruse because they felt that every player has played through ME1 and has Romanced with someone? That way they can place new Characters, only for players to create some stupid love triangle????

My God, what about the ones who don't play ME1, or the ones who played ME2 first, then ME1, but stayed loyal to their ME2 LI, like me?

I for one do NOOOTTTT want to be stuck with ME1 Characters in my Squad AND  on the Normandy throughout the ENTIRE game. It'll end up like that dark, and boring Normandy SR1 all over again!!



I feel like writing a complaint letter to one of the Devs for crying out loud.
<_<

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 15 janvier 2012 - 03:44 .

[Saint Hoehn]

My favorite Squad Members in ME2
Miranda
Zaeed
Garrus
Because you need people to get the job done and won't second guess everytime you shoot someone