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[MisterJB]

At least stop talking about how you played ME2 first. That's entirely irrelevant. I played ME1 first and I still prefer the ME2 cast.
Anyway, the VS deserves to be in ME3 squad
I would prefer if Liara was not on the squad, especially since she gained a very important role that she could play elsewhere.
I will give the new characters a chance. Except Secret Squadmate number 2. No. HELL NO! NEVER!!!
Garrus and Tali is hipocrisy at it's best.



I like that she believes in "what Cerberus stands for". It gives me hope that even if Cerberus has abandoned the cause of humans in ME3, she won't.

Modifié par MisterJB, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:15 .

[viserion]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I cherish the ME2 Characters, I played ME2 first. What BioWare is doing is serious bull****! I don't give a damn about new characters. I don't care if the Characters in ME2 would have died. BioWare STILL could have given more time for ME2 Characters, instead of just pampering and milking the loyal ME1 nerds!

You're taking a b*tch-fit right now. It's not bullsh*t, it makes sense. Although I don't like how they made Garrus and Tali squadmates in ME3 only because they're popular. That's the only thing that rubs me the wrong way.

So What? You're not even going to give the new characters a chance? All because what? Miranda isn't a squadmate? I for one, will be giving all the new characters a chance, the same way I had to do when ME2 rolled into town with a sh*t load of new squadmates and the VS was nowhere to be found. At the end of the day, you're still getting better treatment than Horizon. And pampering the ME1 loyal nerds? Seriously? Coming from you?

I suggest you suck it up. It's not the end of the world.

Well that's another problem: BioWare is under a stupid impression that every player has played ME1 first when it came out in 2008. Wrong, there are also players who played ME2 first, and quite possibly didn't want to play ME1 at all.

Hey, buddy. Relax a little. I played ME2 first too and I know where you're coming from - the ME2 cast is tends to be closer to my heart than the ME1 cast. (Doesn't mean I like them any less!) But I agree with MegaBad. You should give the new characters -and the game itself- a chance. I'm definitely looking forward to learning about the new characters. I know nothing about them (I didn't spoil myself with the leak) but I'm not going to shut them off just because they get more screen time than our favorite. Furthermore, the story doesn't revolve around Miranda, despite her being the love of your Shepard's life (correct me if I'm wrong.)

I'll admit though, I'm bitter that Miranda won't be around as often as I would like, and it irks me that some characters appear to have been given preferrential treatment (team dextro?), but I'll reserve my final judgment for March. Maybe you should too? 

Modifié par Wintersect, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:14 .

[Terminatort800]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

We've been scammed, it's not right that only on part of the fanbase gets what they want.

ME3 was supposed to be good for EVERY player, whether they Played ME1 or ME2 first, or never wanted to play ME1 and just play ME2.

I agree with you, but what can we do with it? We can only hope that BW will give us some positive info...

[jtav]

Calm down. Look at it as an opportunity. If she's not with you, she can be doing something offscreen. I have concerns, but they're more to do with characterization than screen time.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Liara shouldn't be in the Squad. IMO, she's better off off-screen most of the time (if not romanced) getting vital information. She's the new Shadow Broker. It's logical for her not to be in the squad all the time.

I don't mind Garrus in my Squad because I first met him in ME2, so I feel that he's more of an ME2 character, a little more.

I just don't understand the special treatment given to Garrus and Tali, they could have died in ME2 as well.

[jtav]

Simple: Garrus and Tali move merchandise in large quantities very quickly. Miranda is only somewhat slower, but Strahovski is more expensive. And, well, she can't be female lead again, so they may not think it was a good idea narratively or economically to make her optional squad.

[android654]

But by doing so, they potentially sacrifice the integrity of their story. I may not be a professional writer, but I think I'd be a bit upset if I had to sacrifice the quality of my work in order to sell t-shirts or whatever merchandise those two help promote.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

And I hate the fact that I can't be neutral: Neither Alliance, nor Cerberus, under the command of no one. I left the Alliance, and resigned from Cerberus along with Miri quitting as well. It's only logical that you aren't forced back into the Alliance if you don't want to. This is a prime example of Railroading....

[ThomGau]

I agree with jtav, we both already discussed about this .
She set the tone of ME2 in more than one way ( main NPC/second main character, most used squadmate, most chosen LI ) .
Since BW probably wanted to change the tone of their next game, she couldn't have the same
role in ME3 .
It was either sideline her completely or her being the hero of her own journey .

Modifié par ThomGau, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:43 .

[MegaBadExample]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Liara shouldn't be in the Squad. IMO, she's better off off-screen most of the time (if not romanced) getting vital information. She's the new Shadow Broker. It's logical for her not to be in the squad all the time.

I don't mind Garrus in my Squad because I first met him in ME2, so I feel that he's more of an ME2 character, a little more.

I just don't understand the special treatment given to Garrus and Tali, they could have died in ME2 as well.

Actually she should. She's the only old squad mate that can't die and has the biggest role in the overall plot. I dislike her immortally a lot though
"I don't mind, because he's a ME2 character." .....Yo bro.....Seriously? It shouldn't matter. All of these characters are in included in "Mass Effect" the games 1 and 2, the books, the comics... they all should be took into consideration. Not just the ME2 squad mates (Miranda) because..... YOU PLAYED ME2 FIRST AND ROMANCED HER!
It's not hard to understand why. Tali and Garrus are fan favourites. They represent the aliens. An they're the only squad mates who've had a place with Shepard from the start. Again, it makes sense to have them as permanent squadie (Even though they're really not)

[MegaBadExample]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

And I hate the fact that I can't be neutral: Neither Alliance, nor Cerberus, under the command of no one. I left the Alliance, and resigned from Cerberus along with Miri quitting as well. It's only logical that you aren't forced back into the Alliance if you don't want to. This is a prime example of Railroading....

They're making a game here. Not directing your life story. The same thing happened in ME2, if you remember.

[jtav]

The truth is Cerberus being such a big part of the story may have killed Miranda's chances as a squad member. Logically, she would have a lot to say every time Cerberus showed up. Tali only affects one localized plot line. Squad!Miranda would affect everything. I have an idea for a way around that, but it's gamey and would ****** off every other fanbase. Still want to hear?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

jtav wrote...

The truth is Cerberus being such a big part of the story may have killed Miranda's chances as a squad member. Logically, she would have a lot to say every time Cerberus showed up. Tali only affects one localized plot line. Squad!Miranda would affect everything. I have an idea for a way around that, but it's gamey and would ****** off every other fanbase. Still want to hear?

Speak, what do you have in mind?

[ThomGau]

Yep go ahead, I'm listening

[MisterJB]

MegaBadExample wrote...
They're making a game here. Not directing your life story. The same thing happened in ME2, if you remember.

Yeah but in ME1 Shepard could either be honored to be a Spectre or tell the Council to shut up. In ME2, there are these options "This isn't a Cerberus mission" or "I wish Cerberus had recruted me earlier.
In ME3, with everything coming to an end, it would make sense to have to choose between helping Alliance/Cerberus/Do your own thing. Failing that, I just want an option to roleplay against the Alliance. Why can't I throw the dogtags at Anderson's face before leaving Earth?

Modifié par MisterJB, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:53 .

[jtav]

If she survives, have Cerberus assassins kill her between games. Yes, kill her. This puts all saves on an equal playing field. Then, use already existing VI and cybernetics tech to effectively reconstruct her--Cerberus needs her expertise, and they have a restraining bolt. It's dumb, but no dumber than *spoiler* Or, less dramatically, make her available for only the final mission.

The problems should be obvious.

Modifié par jtav, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:58 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I don't like the Alliance's attitudeand denial toward this whole thing. And I don't like Cerberus's Experiments.

Was Cerberus ALWAYS like that? TIM founded Cerberus right?

What is Miri's view on Cerberus? In other words, what is Miri's Cerberus, her vision of Cerberus? What would Cerberus be if she were in Charge? Surely not horrid experiments.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 15 janvier 2012 - 06:03 .

[ThomGau]

It is a shame we don't have the choice to do own thing, we are stuck with the Alliance .
Maybe there's some renegade choices which are anti-Alliance but that would be all ...

[wright1978]

Bringing everyone back under the Alliance banner i can understand makes sense for storytelling simplicity. However the squad make-up should have allowed people to feel they could reflect a different tone in the relationship in the same way that you could have use rabid anti cerberus squaddies in ME2. ME3 instead seems to have none of this variety and instead the only variation seems to be you get less if you don't like dextro.

[MegaBadExample]

MisterJB wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...
They're making a game here. Not directing your life story. The same thing happened in ME2, if you remember.

Yeah but in ME1 Shepard could either be honored to be a Spectre or tell the Council to shut up. In ME2, there are these options "This isn't a Cerberus mission" or "I wish Cerberus had recruted me earlier.
In ME3, with everything coming to an end, it would make sense to have to choose between helping Alliance/Cerberus/Do your own thing. Failing that, I just want an option to roleplay against the Alliance. Why can't I throw the dogtags at Anderson's face before leaving Earth?

Didn't make much of a difference in ME2. At the end of the day you still worked with Cerberus and did everything TIM said right up until the end, basically.

Well, maybe because Shepard needs the Alliance in some way to save Earth. His ship and team seems to be Alliance again. In ME3 it looks like Shepard needs all the help he can get. And besides, why would he act like a child throwing dog tags at Anderson's face when reapers are blowing up crap up all around him lol? I think he would be more focused or overwhelmed with the task at hand.

Anyway, from what I heard, you can roleplay against the Alliance. I just hope it's done better than ME2.

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[Dr. Doctor]

@ThonGau

You can actually play as a Shepard who's not happy to be back with the Alliance.

[ThomGau]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

@ThomGau

You can actually play as a Shepard who's not happy to be back with the Alliance.

Glad to hear it !

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...

If she survives, have Cerberus assassins kill her between games. Yes, kill her. This puts all saves on an equal playing field. Then, use already existing VI and cybernetics tech to effectively reconstruct her--Cerberus needs her expertise, and they have a restraining bolt. It's dumb, but no dumber than *spoiler* Or, less dramatically, make her available for only the final mission.

The problems should be obvious.

You know, this really puts Miranda's role in ME3 in perspective. In a good way, sorry.

MegaBadExample wrote...
Didn't make much of a difference in ME2. At the end of the day you still worked with Cerberus and did everything TIM said right up until the end, basically.

Shepard could choose to not give them the data recovered from an Eclipse base and could give David to the Grissom academy.
I can deal with it if the choices are merely cosmetic. But at least give us a choice.

Well, maybe because Shepard needs the Alliance in some way to save Earth. His ship and team seems to be Alliance again. In ME3 it looks like Shepard needs all the help he can get.

Like I said before, I can deal with Shepard having to work with the Alliance to stop the Reapers but I would at least like to have the freedom to roleplay how my character feels.Where is the option to point out to Anderson that he betrayed Shepard in ME2?

And besides, why would he act like a child throwing dog tags at Anderson's face when reapers are blowing up crap up all around him lol? I think he would be more focused or overwhelmed with the task at hand.

Same reason the VS acted like a child in Horizon. Lack of trust in the Alliance/Cerberus.
Not to mention that the Alliance betrayed both Shepard and all our colonies in ME2.

Modifié par MisterJB, 15 janvier 2012 - 06:11 .

[wright1978]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

@ThonGau

You can actually play as a Shepard who's not happy to be back with the Alliance.

Well i'll reserve final judgement till i play the game but it seems a token gesture. Sort of like if you imagine being anti cerberus in me2 and not getting to recruit Jack, Tali or Garrus.

[jtav]

I told you it was dumb, but Miranda being purely optional is a logistical nightmare because every Cerberus encounter has to make sense with and without her. I don't blame them for sidelining her, only for the focus on family.