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[MisterJB]

It's wouldn't be Miranda. Just some VI with her personality.
Even Shepard needed his actual corpse to be brought back.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

A VI? Really? NO. We need Miri 100% intact. No reason to have her killed either.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
If she survives, have Cerberus assassins kill her between games. Yes, kill her. This puts all saves on an equal playing field. Then, use already existing VI and cybernetics tech to effectively reconstruct her--Cerberus needs her expertise, and they have a restraining bolt. It's dumb, but no dumber than *spoiler* Or, less dramatically, make her available for only the final mission.

The problems should be obvious.

I prefer the less dramatic version. Make her available for only the final mission would be very much ok, if - and at this point it's still a big if - her story is good.

In your scenario it wouldn't be MIranda who came back. Or are you saying there should be another Lazarus Project for her? That would be interesting and not implausible.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I told you it was dumb, but Miranda being purely optional is a logistical nightmare because every Cerberus encounter has to make sense with and without her. I don't blame them for sidelining her, only for the focus on family.

Yeah, if that doesn't change between the leak and the final version, it will be extremely disappointing. Character derailing, actually.

[wright1978]

I would still like Miranda to fit a similar role to Legion in ME2, as a late joiner. She arrives and can turn the Cerberus arc on its head in the same way Legion arrived and either you could destroy heretics or turn them to your cause. If she was dead the kill them all option would be all there is.

[MisterJB]

Maybe it's better like this. Miranda having her own story offscreen that Shepard, ocasionally, gets to help her with might be better than having ME3 be exactly like "Project Overlord".
I really wish to know what she would think of that one.

[jtav]

Lazarus, yes, effectively. If I can copy Miranda's personality and memory down to the last detail and stick it into an identical body, I've brought back Miranda. And the tech is there in canon to do exactly every bit of that.

[MegaBadExample]

MisterJB wrote...

jtav wrote...

If she survives, have Cerberus assassins kill her between games. Yes, kill her. This puts all saves on an equal playing field. Then, use already existing VI and cybernetics tech to effectively reconstruct her--Cerberus needs her expertise, and they have a restraining bolt. It's dumb, but no dumber than *spoiler* Or, less dramatically, make her available for only the final mission.

The problems should be obvious.

You know, this really puts Miranda's role in ME3 in perspective. In a good way, sorry.

MegaBadExample wrote...
Didn't make much of a difference in ME2. At the end of the day you still worked with Cerberus and did everything TIM said right up until the end, basically.

Shepard could choose to not give them the data recovered from an Eclipse base and could give David to the Grissom academy.
I can deal with it if the choices are merely cosmetic. But at least give us a choice.

Well, maybe because Shepard needs the Alliance in some way to save Earth. His ship and team seems to be Alliance again. In ME3 it looks like Shepard needs all the help he can get.

Like I said before, I can deal with Shepard having to work with the Alliance to stop the Reapers but I would at least like to have the freedom to roleplay how my character feels.Where is the option to point out to Anderson that he betrayed Shepard in ME2?

And besides, why would he act like a child throwing dog tags at Anderson's face when reapers are blowing up crap up all around him lol? I think he would be more focused or overwhelmed with the task at hand.

Same reason the VS acted like a child in Horizon. Lack of trust in the Alliance/Cerberus.
Not to mention that the Alliance betrayed both Shepard and all our colonies in ME2.

Anderson is backing you in ME3. How did Anderson betray Shepard exactly? And why would you want to point it out when the man is back on Earth fighting? Seems kind of irrelevant with everything going on. Yes, but I agree you should have a choice.

[ThomGau]

It would still be cool if she could join up the squad ( like ME2 Legion ) to resolve the Cerberus arc + end game .
It would only do her justice gameplay-wise since she was the most used ME2 squadmate .

Edit : The Lazarus Project 2.0 is an interesting idea but we won't see that in ME3 .

Modifié par ThomGau, 15 janvier 2012 - 06:33 .

[wright1978]

MisterJB wrote...

Maybe it's better like this. Miranda having her own story offscreen that Shepard, ocasionally, gets to help her with might be better than having ME3 be exactly like "Project Overlord".
I really wish to know what she would think of that one.

No i'd prefer to be able to rolepay it in my head. At least i could do that during Overlord. Better than to have her reduced as she is in the leaked script.

[AgitatedLemon]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Does BioWare not notice the fact that there ARE ME2 Romancers out there? So far they are only pampering the ME1 Characters/LIs/Romancers. I mean, you see Mordin, BUT he's not in your Squad.

What, were all the the ME2 Exclusive Characters just dead weight to the Devs? Were they just something the Devs just placed in the story of ME2 just to keep the ME1 Freaks quiet, as if the ME2 Exclusive Characters have 0 importance what so ever?

Were they just a ruse because they felt that every player has played through ME1 and has Romanced with someone? That way they can place new Characters, only for players to create some stupid love triangle????

My God, what about the ones who don't play ME1, or the ones who played ME2 first, then ME1, but stayed loyal to their ME2 LI, like me?

I for one do NOOOTTTT want to be stuck with ME1 Characters in my Squad AND  on the Normandy throughout the ENTIRE game. It'll end up like that dark, and boring Normandy SR1 all over again!!



I feel like writing a complaint letter to one of the Devs for crying out loud.

*Snip*

To be completely fair, less than half the ME2 cast had any actual relevance to the plot/galactic events. That doesn't mean they are good characters by themselves though. Take Tali for example. I see her as little more than a walking wikipedia on the qurians, but people still like her (Though I can't comprehend why, I dislike her personality). Same can go for Garrus, Thane, Samara, Zaeed/Kasumi, and Grunt. Miranda, Mordin, and Legion have by far the most important roles either concerning the overarching plot or other galactic events. Miranda of course has Cerberus, Mordin and the genophage, and Legion being the only non-heretic (And not hostile) geth out of geth space.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 15 janvier 2012 - 06:47 .

[MisterJB]

MegaBadExample wrote...
Anderson is backing you in ME3.

The Council was backing Shepard in ME1 and Cerberus did the same in ME2.
 

How did Anderson betray Shepard exactly?

By withholding information regarding the VS (who migth have been Shepard's lover) from Shepard simply because the commander worked with Cerberus. I could have handled this from someone like Hackett but from Anderson who is, supposedly, a close friend to Shepard?
What else might he choose to not reveal to Shepard because of some ridiculous notion that working with Cerberus somehow taints people?

 

And why would you want to point it out when the man is back on Earth fighting? Seems kind of irrelevant with everything going on.

You could say so but it's about giving Shepard a personality. In ME1 it was justified, Shepard, cannonically, trusted Anderson. In ME2, I was happy to see options where Shepard could accuse Anderson, and by extension the Alliance, of abandoning him.
Now, in ME3, I would like to be able to have Shepard be bitter towards Anderson. I'm not talking about refusing resources from the Alliance, I'm talking about details like...for example, when Anderson grabs Shepard before he falls, why not have the option for Shepard to say "I don't need your help?"

 

Yes, but I agree you should have a choice.

Right, just like those Shepards who couldn't wait to rejoin the Alliance should have the option to work towards it.

Modifié par MisterJB, 15 janvier 2012 - 06:45 .

[AgitatedLemon]

ThomGau wrote...

BW : the sadistic devils ?

Well, they're the only developer I know of to openly troll their consumers.

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

I told you it was dumb, but Miranda being purely optional is a logistical nightmare because every Cerberus encounter has to make sense with and without her. I don't blame them for sidelining her, only for the focus on family.

Then make her mandatory. It would cut the amount of work involved by half and if would make sense. If there's a single person out of the ME2 squad that makes the least bit of sense regarding.... Anything in ME3, it would be Miranda.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 15 janvier 2012 - 06:52 .

[jtav]

Except she can't be mandatory because she can die, unless you pull a Lazarus.

[MegaBadExample]

I look at it differently. Anderson had good reasons not to trust Shepard. He/she came back from the DEAD to work for Cerberus. He thought Cerberus was controlling him, right? (Sorry, haven't played ME in a while.) And if Miranda implanted a control chip. It could've been true lol. It was only caution. Rightfully so, considering.

For me, it depends on the timing. I wouldn't mind the option when walking through the halls in the demo. Then would be a good time to have a go at Anderson, if any. I just don't think they should be bickering about a misunderstanding when the reapers are destroying buildings.

[naledgeborn]

Professionally, yeah it shouldn't matter, the Reapers are here. Personally, if I were Shepard I wouldn't consider Anderson to be the good friend he once was during ME1. Nothing wrong with wanting to reflect that. Anderson even admits he's in the fault when he apologizes to Shepard for keeping him in the dark. Only reason I'm cautiously cool with him is because he went behind Udina's back to set up Spectre reinstatement with the council (in my game anyway).

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

Except she can't be mandatory because she can die, unless you pull a Lazarus.

Tell that to Garrus and Tali.

[jtav]

Who are not mandatory.

[naledgeborn]

But you'll be short handed without them. It's like not recruiting Thane and Samara (though they were redundant gameplay wise they did add through banter and 1-1 conversation)

[jtav]

My original point was that Miranda as a squad member was a great deal of extra work because the Cerberus plot spanned the game, unlike the Palavan and quarian plots. Lemon suggested making her mandatory.

Yes, you're shorthanded, but their actual storyline effect is only on their mission.

[Confused-Shepard]

So spoil me silly. What does the leak say about Miranda? PM please.

[naledgeborn]

jtav wrote...

My original point was that Miranda as a squad member was a great deal of extra work because the Cerberus plot spanned the game, unlike the Palavan and quarian plots. Lemon suggested making her mandatory.

Yes, you're shorthanded, but their actual storyline effect is only on their mission.

Not much more work than *insert random Dextro banter here* on any given mission or planet.

[AgitatedLemon]

And not necessarily EVERY single little encounter with Cerberus needs to be commented on by Miranda either.

Not every little bit of Cerberus in ME2 was noted by Jack, in spite of 90% of her outlook being sculpted by them.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:35 .

[MisterJB]

naledgeborn wrote...
Not much more work than *insert random Dextro banter here* on any given mission or planet.

But having Miranda simply do some banter whenever Cerberus is involved is meaningless. It would be like Tali having no effect on a mission that happened on Rannoch. I expect having Tali alive to offer me options that would otherwise be unavailabe when Shepard deals with the Quarian/Geth conflict and, should Miranda be a permanent squadmate, I would expect her to do the same everytime we meet Cerberus on some planet.
And, obviously, that would take a much greater deal of work because Cerberus is much more central to the plot than the quarians or the turians.