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[naledgeborn]

I'm assuming there's 4-5 main missions involving Cerberus in ME3. Looking back in ME2 only 2/5 Collector missions involved actual choices. One was a gameplay choice (bonus weapon) and the other what to do with the Collector Base.

Not every Cerberus mission would need to have an ethical dilemma for it to work. In the ones that do that's where Miranda would chime in.

 

Modifié par naledgeborn, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:40 .

[android654]

I'm through arguing this point. These arguments would've done some good back in 2010 when they could have done something about it. Now that its about a month and a half away, we just got to sit tight and wait to see what they actually did.

I cant expect "adequate exposure" like in ME2 any longer, so now I'm more concerned with character integrity and the quality therein. I'm not happy with what they did with Jack, She's my favorite character and her story doesn't fit. As long as they don't repeat the same mistake with Miranda, then I couldn't really ask for more.

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

I'm through arguing this point. These arguments would've done some good back in 2010 when they could have done something about it. Now that its about a month and a half away, we just got to sit tight and wait to see what they actually did.

I cant expect "adequate exposure" like in ME2 any longer, so now I'm more concerned with character integrity and the quality therein. I'm not happy with what they did with Jack, She's my favorite character and her story doesn't fit. As long as they don't repeat the same mistake with Miranda, then I couldn't really ask for more.

What did they do to Jack anyway? Can you PM me?

[naledgeborn]

I agree and don't hold your breath, Android.

[AgitatedLemon]

naledgeborn wrote...

I'm assuming there's 4-5 main missions involving Cerberus in ME3. Looking back in ME2 only 2/5 Collector missions involved actual choices. One was a gameplay choice (bonus weapon) and the other what to do with the Collector Base.

Not every Cerberus mission would need to have an ethical dilemma for it to work. In the ones that do that's were Miranda would chime in.

*snip* 

There's also this. This is a valid point.

Also, considering Cerberus is the secondary antagonist in the game (ala geth ME1) to the primary Reapers, is it safe to assume that their story arc would conclude somewhat before the climax of the game?

[android654]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

android654 wrote...

I'm through arguing this point. These arguments would've done some good back in 2010 when they could have done something about it. Now that its about a month and a half away, we just got to sit tight and wait to see what they actually did.

I cant expect "adequate exposure" like in ME2 any longer, so now I'm more concerned with character integrity and the quality therein. I'm not happy with what they did with Jack, She's my favorite character and her story doesn't fit. As long as they don't repeat the same mistake with Miranda, then I couldn't really ask for more.

What did they do to Jack anyway? Can you PM me?

We've been talking about it in the Jack thread, I warn you it's truly ridiculous. Even if you don't like her, I'm more than sure most people with little knowledge of her would read the synopsis of what she's doing and find it ridiculous. Just follow the link below.

http://social.biowar...dex/7625590/114

Modifié par android654, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:43 .

[naledgeborn]

Yeah I could see Jack as we know her in ME3 working for a Shepard who was consistently Paragon with her. For a Neutral or Renegade Shep it doesn't make sense at all.

[MisterJB]

I like what they're doing with Jack in ME3.

naledgeborn wrote...
Not every Cerberus mission would need to have an ethical dilemma for it to work. In the ones that do that's where Miranda would chime in.

I am not simply talking about ethical dilemmas. For example, Sur'Kesh.
From the leaked beta, there doesn't appear to be some great choice happening in Sur'Kesh. However, I would still expect Miranda to contribute something to the mission that other squadmates couldn't. Either she is able to warn the salarian base beforehand and they're more prepared for Cerberus' attack or maybe, unlike Shepard, she would be able to extract informations from that one troop.
It might not be much but it has to be something. Cerberus missions being unchanged despite Miranda being on the squad would be unnaceptable.

[Ieldra]

naledgeborn wrote...
But you'll be short handed without them. It's like not recruiting Thane and Samara (though they were redundant gameplay wise they did add through banter and 1-1 conversation)

Short-handed without Garrus and Tali? I expect to play the complete game without Garrus or Tali ever being on my squad except for missions involving them.

[wright1978]

naledgeborn wrote...

Yeah I could see Jack as we know her in ME3 working for a Shepard who was consistently Paragon with her. For a Neutral or Renegade Shep it doesn't make sense at all.

I'm glad to see there are other people who find Jack's role non-sensical. There's no way i could import the renegade playthrough where i romanced her, given what's there.

[android654]

naledgeborn wrote...

Yeah I could see Jack as we know her in ME3 working for a Shepard who was consistently Paragon with her. For a Neutral or Renegade Shep it doesn't make sense at all.

Even a paragon romanced Jack wouldn't be doing what they have her doing in ME3.

MisterJB wrote...

I like what they're doing with Jack in ME3.

I can't see how you like her and think the story they gave her fits, or is even good in any way.

Modifié par android654, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:51 .

[naledgeborn]

@JB

And I agree with you, but as I said earlier it wouldn't be much more extra work than having Garrus or Tali say something (which they will relevant or not). The only difference is that Miranda would be saying it from her perspective and it would be relevant.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:52 .

[AgitatedLemon]

MisterJB wrote...

I like what they're doing with Jack in ME3.

naledgeborn wrote...
Not every Cerberus mission would need to have an ethical dilemma for it to work. In the ones that do that's where Miranda would chime in.

I am not simply talking about ethical dilemmas. For example, Sur'Kesh.
From the leaked beta, there doesn't appear to be some great choice happening in Sur'Kesh. However, I would still expect Miranda to contribute something to the mission that other squadmates couldn't. Either she is able to warn the salarian base beforehand and they're more prepared for Cerberus' attack or maybe, unlike Shepard, she would be able to extract informations from that one troop.
It might not be much but it has to be something. Cerberus missions being unchanged despite Miranda being on the squad would be unnaceptable.

Not to sound like a dick, but she doesn't necessarily need to do either of your examples, or much close to them.

Given her resignation, she doesn't have nearly as much resources as she used to while working for Cerberus. While it certainly fits her as a character to do something like you suggested, or something similar, you have to know if it's plausible or not.

Can't buy a Ferrari without the cash.

edit: She doesn't really NEED to be plotting against Cerberus every step of the way either. Simply fighting alongside Shepard is accomplishing a LOT.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:53 .

[naledgeborn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...
But you'll be short handed without them. It's like not recruiting Thane and Samara (though they were redundant gameplay wise they did add through banter and 1-1 conversation)

Short-handed without Garrus and Tali? I expect to play the complete game without Garrus or Tali ever being on my squad except for missions involving them.

I mean short handed in a way where you're delibarately cutting yourself off from content. It isn't mandatory, but like Thane and Samara not recruiting Dextro would be imposing an "incomplete" gaming experience unless you're going to heavily roleplay. 

Modifié par naledgeborn, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:55 .

[JosephCAW]

I always have Miranda on my squad, in ME1 it was Male Shep with Garrus & Ash, ME2 it was Male Shep with Garrus & Miranda, ME3 if I have to choose between Ash and Miranda, Miri wins

[AgitatedLemon]

JosephCAW wrote...

I always have Miranda on my squad, in ME1 it was Male Shep with Garrus & Ash, ME2 it was Male Shep with Garrus & Miranda, ME3 if I have to choose between Ash and Miranda, Miri wins

*High five*

[wright1978]

naledgeborn wrote...

I mean short handed in a way where you're delibarately cutting yourself off from content. It isn't mandatory, but like Thane and Samara not recruiting Dextro would be imposing an "incomplete" gaming experience unless you're going to heavily roleplay. 

What bugs me is that they punish players randomly based on their suicide mission results. You can get the majority of your squad killed except Tali & Garrus and you get 2 more squaddies than someone who only got them 2 killed.

[jtav]

Would you prefer none came back? Because all twelve were never coming back.

[AgitatedLemon]

wright1978 wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

I mean short handed in a way where you're delibarately cutting yourself off from content. It isn't mandatory, but like Thane and Samara not recruiting Dextro would be imposing an "incomplete" gaming experience unless you're going to heavily roleplay. 

What bugs me is that they punish players randomly based on their suicide mission results. You can get the majority of your squad killed except Tali & Garrus and you get 2 more squaddies than someone who only got them 2 killed.

Bioware:

<Halfway through the trilogy
<Introduces a bunch of new, well written characters
< You can lose all of them in the suicide mission

<Was curious why fanbases are upset their favorites aren't featured all that much in ME3.
<Seems to not care all that much

[AgitatedLemon]

wright1978 wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

I mean short handed in a way where you're delibarately cutting yourself off from content. It isn't mandatory, but like Thane and Samara not recruiting Dextro would be imposing an "incomplete" gaming experience unless you're going to heavily roleplay. 

What bugs me is that they punish players randomly based on their suicide mission results. You can get the majority of your squad killed except Tali & Garrus and you get 2 more squaddies than someone who only got them 2 killed.

Isn't fan service (And outright hypocrisy) a beautiful thing?

[Td1984]

MegaBadExample wrote...

I look at it differently. Anderson had good reasons not to trust Shepard. He/she came back from the DEAD to work for Cerberus. He thought Cerberus was controlling him, right? (Sorry, haven't played ME in a while.) And if Miranda implanted a control chip. It could've been true lol. It was only caution. Rightfully so, considering.

For me, it depends on the timing. I wouldn't mind the option when walking through the halls in the demo. Then would be a good time to have a go at Anderson, if any. I just don't think they should be bickering about a misunderstanding when the reapers are destroying buildings.

Actually, Anderson believed Shep when s/he told him s/he wasn't working for Cerberus (only with them for the time being). However, since Shep was no longer Alliance and everybody else thought s/he was now part of Cerberus, Anderson's hands were tied and he couldn't tell Shep any Alliance classified information (mainly the location of the VS).

Modifié par Td1984, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:21 .

[AgitatedLemon]

wright1978 wrote...

I would still like Miranda to fit a similar role to Legion in ME2, as a late joiner. She arrives and can turn the Cerberus arc on its head in the same way Legion arrived and either you could destroy heretics or turn them to your cause. If she was dead the kill them all option would be all there is.

This is actually a good idea.

It makes the people that are bitter she's not on the squad (Me) happy, and she doesn't need to provide commentary on everything Cerberus does (Not that she really needs to anyway), as she isn't present for a lot of it.

edit: Certainly not "late" on the same caliber of Legion though, where you only have 1-2 story missions left to do. Like,  right before the climax with Cerberus.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:41 .

[MisterJB]

So, how's this for matching armor?

Modifié par MisterJB, 15 janvier 2012 - 09:05 .

[Ieldra]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Given her resignation, she doesn't have nearly as much resources as she used to while working for Cerberus. While it certainly fits her as a character to do something like you suggested, or something similar, you have to know if it's plausible or not.

Can't buy a Ferrari without the cash.

edit: She doesn't really NEED to be plotting against Cerberus every step of the way either. Simply fighting alongside Shepard is accomplishing a LOT.

What she should have done if not resigning is, as soon as she realized where Cerberus was going, act as a mole for Shepard and give him inside information. Could've even been done mostly by emails (in addition to the conversations), so it's not as if that would take a lot of resources. That could also have been a benefit of keeping the base which would have some tangible result later in the game. At some point, she would have to leave in order to avoid being indoctrinated, and then be on the run. See the spoiled scenario for the rest. 

If resigned, the "on the run" scenario would kick in from the start. Basically, there would be the same conversations in both versions, only with some options playing out differently.

BTW:
Playing ME2 helps getting over the trepidation, as I've just discovered.

[naledgeborn]

I'll forever be extremely disappointed if she isn't there for TIM's confrontation.