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[naledgeborn]

Virmire Survivor as in Ashley Williams or Kaidan Alenko.

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Modifié par naledgeborn, 15 janvier 2012 - 11:44 .

[schemata]

android654 wrote...

I'm through arguing this point. These arguments would've done some good back in 2010 when they could have done something about it. Now that its about a month and a half away, we just got to sit tight and wait to see what they actually did.

I cant expect "adequate exposure" like in ME2 any longer, so now I'm more concerned with character integrity and the quality therein. I'm not happy with what they did with Jack, She's my favorite character and her story doesn't fit. As long as they don't repeat the same mistake with Miranda, then I couldn't really ask for more.

In a general sense, is Jack going against character or something?  See the thing with jack, (if you were a paragon) I thought itd be really hard to see her "trajectory" for ME3, because you break a lot of what happened in the past. You break the chain of bad luck? You show her a different side to people. So from what I can tell the only thing that WOULDNT make sense, would her becoming a pirate, or some role that wouldve made sense given her past.  Well unless she was going to be one of those characters that dont grow/develop.

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

When it takes over the character to a point where even people who like romance wish BW would do a AAA game without it and leave shipping for fanfic? Yes. The romance is 6-7 minutes long!

I haven't seen anyone apart from you say anything.

[schemata]

Ieldra2 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Given her resignation, she doesn't have nearly as much resources as she used to while working for Cerberus. While it certainly fits her as a character to do something like you suggested, or something similar, you have to know if it's plausible or not.

Can't buy a Ferrari without the cash.

edit: She doesn't really NEED to be plotting against Cerberus every step of the way either. Simply fighting alongside Shepard is accomplishing a LOT.

What she should have done if not resigning is, as soon as she realized where Cerberus was going, act as a mole for Shepard and give him inside information. Could've even been done mostly by emails (in addition to the conversations), so it's not as if that would take a lot of resources. That could also have been a benefit of keeping the base which would have some tangible result later in the game. At some point, she would have to leave in order to avoid being indoctrinated, and then be on the run. See the spoiled scenario for the rest. 

If resigned, the "on the run" scenario would kick in from the start. Basically, there would be the same conversations in both versions, only with some options playing out differently.

BTW:
Playing ME2 helps getting over the trepidation, as I've just discovered.

disagree here, Not resigning when she knew it was going against her beliefs would be more out of character imo. course there are plenty of times, where she'll set aside her beliefs and do what is necessary, a pragmatic side I guess. But cerberus going against what she believes in is too close to her core. Shes def her own person, but more like shep in some ways then people think imo.

[Td1984]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I did cry. Also nausea, insomnia, and muscle tremors. I have pretty much willed myself into indifference. End of the day, Miranda is fictional and not worth my very real mental health.

I was affected almost as badly. Which is unprecedented for fictional characters. I channeled it into imagining what I'd write here if Miranda's ME3 presence doesn't turn out satisfactorily. And into that feedback post on page 830.

Luckily I didn't come around in November. It would've been quite ugly for me as well.

[AgitatedLemon]

schemata wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Given her resignation, she doesn't have nearly as much resources as she used to while working for Cerberus. While it certainly fits her as a character to do something like you suggested, or something similar, you have to know if it's plausible or not.

Can't buy a Ferrari without the cash.

edit: She doesn't really NEED to be plotting against Cerberus every step of the way either. Simply fighting alongside Shepard is accomplishing a LOT.

What she should have done if not resigning is, as soon as she realized where Cerberus was going, act as a mole for Shepard and give him inside information. Could've even been done mostly by emails (in addition to the conversations), so it's not as if that would take a lot of resources. That could also have been a benefit of keeping the base which would have some tangible result later in the game. At some point, she would have to leave in order to avoid being indoctrinated, and then be on the run. See the spoiled scenario for the rest. 

If resigned, the "on the run" scenario would kick in from the start. Basically, there would be the same conversations in both versions, only with some options playing out differently.

BTW:
Playing ME2 helps getting over the trepidation, as I've just discovered.

disagree here, Not resigning when she knew it was going against her beliefs would be more out of character imo. course there are plenty of times, where she'll set aside her beliefs and do what is necessary, a pragmatic side I guess. But cerberus going against what she believes in is too close to her core. Shes def her own person, but more like shep in some ways then people think imo.

I dunno. Kinda conflicted.

While tactically, it'd be intelligent to be a mole, but it'd be very risky. Like say for example if TIM  suspected Shepard was being fed information, he'd almost certainly 100% turn to Miranda first.

It'd be much less of a risk to just resign, but then she'd not have any inside knowledge of Cerberus' following actions.

[schemata]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

schemata wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Given her resignation, she doesn't have nearly as much resources as she used to while working for Cerberus. While it certainly fits her as a character to do something like you suggested, or something similar, you have to know if it's plausible or not.

Can't buy a Ferrari without the cash.

edit: She doesn't really NEED to be plotting against Cerberus every step of the way either. Simply fighting alongside Shepard is accomplishing a LOT.

What she should have done if not resigning is, as soon as she realized where Cerberus was going, act as a mole for Shepard and give him inside information. Could've even been done mostly by emails (in addition to the conversations), so it's not as if that would take a lot of resources. That could also have been a benefit of keeping the base which would have some tangible result later in the game. At some point, she would have to leave in order to avoid being indoctrinated, and then be on the run. See the spoiled scenario for the rest. 

If resigned, the "on the run" scenario would kick in from the start. Basically, there would be the same conversations in both versions, only with some options playing out differently.

BTW:
Playing ME2 helps getting over the trepidation, as I've just discovered.

disagree here, Not resigning when she knew it was going against her beliefs would be more out of character imo. course there are plenty of times, where she'll set aside her beliefs and do what is necessary, a pragmatic side I guess. But cerberus going against what she believes in is too close to her core. Shes def her own person, but more like shep in some ways then people think imo.

I dunno. Kinda conflicted.

While tactically, it'd be intelligent to be a mole, but it'd be very risky. Like say for example if TIM  suspected Shepard was being fed information, he'd almost certainly 100% turn to Miranda first.

It'd be much less of a risk to just resign, but then she'd not have any inside knowledge of Cerberus' following actions.

disagree on the premise. Its not that it would be tactically difficult that'd make this out of character for miri.  Just feel by the end of Me2, depending on your path (strictly speaking from a paragon) I think you show her it's ok to be emotionally involved, and it can be even better to acknowledge where she "stands." Why I thought it made sense, (always bring her to the final mission) that she's the one to cut down TIM in one of their final dialogues.  Cerberus no longer believes what she believes, and isnt the direction she would want. And cerberus is too much at her core, to let it keep going in its direction while being resigned to a "mole" position, its not nearly enough alpha female for the miri I come to understand her as.

Now Ive heard a lot about miri starting a human STG, either anew or by reforming cerberus, and I cant figure out if thats fanfic canon or the actual direction of her character, but itd make the most sense. Shes too much an independent for anything less imo.

[enayasoul]

That's Jtav's and Iedra's fan fiction ideas/directions that they want happen.

Miranda is indeed very independent and does her own thing. I can easily see Miranda as a protagonist along side Shepard. That's how I've been writing it in my own story. They both compliment each other. Both strong in their own ways. Where one lacks the other is their to bring forth their own.

[AgitatedLemon]

I wasn't contesting anything about her character, I was saying that it's a double edged sword and imposes a very heavy physical (And potentially psychological) risk.

If TIM even so much suspects that Shepard knows about what they're doing, he'd do what anyone would do and go to his operative that has had the most time to personally interact with him -- Miranda. She'd be pretty screwed, considering TIM is not stupid.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 16 janvier 2012 - 01:14 .

[AgitatedLemon]

enayasoul wrote...

That's Jtav's and Iedra's fan fiction ideas/directions that they want happen.

Miranda is indeed very independent and does her own thing. I can easily see Miranda as a protagonist along side Shepard. That's how I've been writing it in my own story. They both compliment each other. Both strong in their own ways. Where one lacks the other is their to bring forth their own.

Without sounding cheesy, Shepard and Miranda are one of the strongest (If not THE strongest) duos in fiction. Easily up there with Chief and Cortana, Fox and Falco, Batman and Robin, and Mario and Luigi.

Shepard is like Jesus reincarnate with his ability to do... Anything. He has more power than the dictionary people.

Miranda is literally the shining beacon of human perfection.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 16 janvier 2012 - 01:11 .

[naledgeborn]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Without sounding cheesy, Shepard and Miranda are one of the strongest (If not THE strongest) duos in fiction. Right now.

FIFY. There have been better. There will be better. But I agree if we're talking contemporary.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 16 janvier 2012 - 01:07 .

[jtav]

Miranda would be safe for as long as the plot demanded. Cerberus can be very dumb. She'd have to be selective about what she passes on, but it's exactly the kind of role she should be filling.

[Dr. Doctor]

Right now, I really need to play the game to render any real judgement. The leaked script has very little directly from Miranda, but there's references to her doing something rather impressive in Ash's and Liara's dialogue.

[jtav]

Doctor, how so?

[AgitatedLemon]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Right now, I really need to play the game to render any real judgement. The leaked script has very little directly from Miranda, but there's references to her doing something rather impressive in Ash's and Liara's dialogue.

Likewise.

I haven't heard anything about Liara and Ash talking about her though.

[android654]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

That's Jtav's and Iedra's fan fiction ideas/directions that they want happen.

Miranda is indeed very independent and does her own thing. I can easily see Miranda as a protagonist along side Shepard. That's how I've been writing it in my own story. They both compliment each other. Both strong in their own ways. Where one lacks the other is their to bring forth their own.

Without sounding cheesy, Shepard and Miranda are one of the strongest (If not THE strongest) duos in fiction. Easily up there with Chief and Cortana, Fox and Falco, Batman and Robin, and Mario and Luigi.

Shepard is like Jesus reincarnate with his ability to do... Anything. He has more power than the dictionary people.

Miranda is literally the shining beacon of human perfection.

He's better than Jesus, no douchey beard.

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

That's Jtav's and Iedra's fan fiction ideas/directions that they want happen.

Miranda is indeed very independent and does her own thing. I can easily see Miranda as a protagonist along side Shepard. That's how I've been writing it in my own story. They both compliment each other. Both strong in their own ways. Where one lacks the other is their to bring forth their own.

Without sounding cheesy, Shepard and Miranda are one of the strongest (If not THE strongest) duos in fiction. Easily up there with Chief and Cortana, Fox and Falco, Batman and Robin, and Mario and Luigi.

Shepard is like Jesus reincarnate with his ability to do... Anything. He has more power than the dictionary people.

Miranda is literally the shining beacon of human perfection.

He's better than Jesus, no douchey beard.

Nah, Shepard has Bruce Willis' 5 o'clock shadow.

It's like, a rule to being an action hero.

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...

Doctor, how so?

In the event that Miranda dies (but not at *spoiler location*) Ash comments that [what Miranda did] "Was one of the gutsiest things I've ever seen." Liara has a line that is along the same lines.

Also to those who have read the leak  might have noticed Liara's lines about the ME2 LI's are rather prophetic? Liara remarks about "Fighting for the future of humanity" if you romance Miranda,  The lines she has about Jack, Tali, and Jacob all come to pass in ME3, so odds are that something along those lines will happen with Miranda.

[schemata]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

jtav wrote...

Doctor, how so?

In the event that Miranda dies (but not at *spoiler location*) Ash comments that [what Miranda did] "Was one of the gutsiest things I've ever seen." Liara has a line that is along the same lines.

Also to those who have read the leak  might have noticed Liara's lines about the ME2 LI's are rather prophetic? Liara remarks about "Fighting for the future of humanity" if you romance Miranda,  The lines she has about Jack, Tali, and Jacob all come to pass in ME3, so odds are that something along those lines will happen with Miranda.

What were those lines again? And I like this post.

[AgitatedLemon]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

jtav wrote...

Doctor, how so?

In the event that Miranda dies (but not at *spoiler location*) Ash comments that [what Miranda did] "Was one of the gutsiest things I've ever seen." Liara has a line that is along the same lines.

Also to those who have read the leak  might have noticed Liara's lines about the ME2 LI's are rather prophetic? Liara remarks about "Fighting for the future of humanity" if you romance Miranda,  The lines she has about Jack, Tali, and Jacob all come to pass in ME3, so odds are that something along those lines will happen with Miranda.

This was discussed in the spoiler group

[schemata]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

jtav wrote...

Doctor, how so?

In the event that Miranda dies (but not at *spoiler location*) Ash comments that [what Miranda did] "Was one of the gutsiest things I've ever seen." Liara has a line that is along the same lines.

Also to those who have read the leak  might have noticed Liara's lines about the ME2 LI's are rather prophetic? Liara remarks about "Fighting for the future of humanity" if you romance Miranda,  The lines she has about Jack, Tali, and Jacob all come to pass in ME3, so odds are that something along those lines will happen with Miranda.

This was discussed in the spoiler group

I sadly wasnt around lets rediscuss this!

And.

Anything to do with prophecy almost always come to pass, same with any kind of foreshadowing. 

[schemata]

[AgitatedLemon]

schemata wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

jtav wrote...

Doctor, how so?

In the event that Miranda dies (but not at *spoiler location*) Ash comments that [what Miranda did] "Was one of the gutsiest things I've ever seen." Liara has a line that is along the same lines.

Also to those who have read the leak  might have noticed Liara's lines about the ME2 LI's are rather prophetic? Liara remarks about "Fighting for the future of humanity" if you romance Miranda,  The lines she has about Jack, Tali, and Jacob all come to pass in ME3, so odds are that something along those lines will happen with Miranda.

This was discussed in the spoiler group

I sadly wasnt around lets rediscuss this!

And.

Anything to do with prophecy almost always come to pass, same with any kind of foreshadowing. 

http://social.bioware.com/group/5254/

It's still a new discussion in-group

@ that picture-

She's holding an M1911 with a laser sight. Immersion is dead.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 16 janvier 2012 - 02:11 .

[Dr. Doctor]

schemata wrote...

What were those lines again? And I like this post.

"Giving Garrus some peace"

"Building Tali a home on her homeworld"

"Drinks and dancing with Jacob"

"Giving Jack faith in something more than anger"

"Fighting for the future of humanity as evidenced by the perfect Miss Lawson"

I can't remember what the line about Thane was.

[AgitatedLemon]

"A few stolen months" in regards to Thane and his illness.

Shepard can reply saying she isn't sure how much time they have left together, albeit concerned.

Liara then says to make use of her remaining time with Thane instead of dwelling on it, then she wishes happiness on the 2.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 16 janvier 2012 - 02:07 .