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[schemata]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

schemata wrote...

So in general whats your relationship like with miri if she isnt a LI in me3?

Is this guy testing me?!
Well, she is.

So I don't know.
passed the test, booyah

[AgitatedLemon]

Huh?

Testing you how?

I thought that was pretty widely known and accepted.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:39 .

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

ThomGau wrote...
The early November Rollercoaster, if I remember correctly flemm .

More like the early November bungee jump, and the cord snapped

I don't believe I've ever crashed like that in a similar situation.

Emotion getting in the way of sound reasoning and careful analysis?

Miranda would not be proud

Exactly what I thought after I had attained a little distance

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I had a dream once. A dream about me choosing a different LI. Nothing felt right. I felt uneasy.

Miri is my One And Only LI in All of Mass Effect:wub:.

^ This is like my millionth time saying that.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:45 .

[AgitatedLemon]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I had a dream once. A dream about me choosing a different LI. Nothing felt right. I felt uneasy.

Miri is my One And Only LI in All of Mass Effect:wub:.

@bold I was expecting something different.

In all seriousness...

I'll be totally honest. I'm not too proud to admit that when I get bored I have fun thinking up different scenarios with Shepard and Miranda doing stuff (Seriously, not like that).

For some whatever reason, ever since I posted "How I think Miranda should die in ME3" a while back, it's been mostly stuck on that, and frankly, I'm a bit disturbed and disappointed at myself.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:45 .

[Ieldra]

schemata wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Given her resignation, she doesn't have nearly as much resources as she used to while working for Cerberus. While it certainly fits her as a character to do something like you suggested, or something similar, you have to know if it's plausible or not.

Can't buy a Ferrari without the cash.

edit: She doesn't really NEED to be plotting against Cerberus every step of the way either. Simply fighting alongside Shepard is accomplishing a LOT.

What she should have done if not resigning is, as soon as she realized where Cerberus was going, act as a mole for Shepard and give him inside information. Could've even been done mostly by emails (in addition to the conversations), so it's not as if that would take a lot of resources. That could also have been a benefit of keeping the base which would have some tangible result later in the game. At some point, she would have to leave in order to avoid being indoctrinated, and then be on the run. See the spoiled scenario for the rest. 

If resigned, the "on the run" scenario would kick in from the start. Basically, there would be the same conversations in both versions, only with some options playing out differently.

BTW:
Playing ME2 helps getting over the trepidation, as I've just discovered.

disagree here, Not resigning when she knew it was going against her beliefs would be more out of character imo. course there are plenty of times, where she'll set aside her beliefs and do what is necessary, a pragmatic side I guess. But cerberus going against what she believes in is too close to her core. Shes def her own person, but more like shep in some ways then people think imo.

Diagree again.

First, there is no indication that Cerberus' general agenda as presented in ME2 is against her beliefs, except for the implications of the CB. That she resigns instead of working against this new development from within is her acknowledgement that TIM won't accept her refusal in good grace and she has no future in the organization in spite of agreeing with large parts of its agenda.

Second - and even more to the point - even if it would go against her beliefs, she would definitely stay as a mole if she thought it could do some good. That kind of thing is part of what she was trained for.

As for the risk - that's part of any good story. And part of any spy operation, real or fictional. It wouldn't turn Miranda off for one moment unless it was high enough that she thought she couldn't succeed.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 janvier 2012 - 08:35 .

[CptData]

Two hours and (almost) no posting in the Miri-thread?

AgitatedLemon: should Miranda die in ME3? I dunno. I'm not a big fan of drama and therefore don't like the idea Miranda -should- die for story reasons. Think even if not romanced she should have her long life so she can see her sister becoming happy AND being able to found her own family too one day. At least in my head Miranda is a family person (mostly like Ashley).

And thinking about scenarios: guess every good fan does it. Hey, you don't want to know how often I killed Shepard or Ashley in my fictions just to find out how to see them reacting. It's natural. And since I don't intend to kill Ash in my playthroughs, it's going to be "fictional" only - canonical, my Shepard & Ash are going to live.
Or in your case: I'm pretty sure Miranda will survive in your playthrough. I hope you get your "perfect ending" with her.
If I had one with Miranda, I'd go for the cheesy one: making things official, proposing or something, and looking for a nice house somewhere on a colony, Earth or maybe the Citadel. Okay ... tbh I also can see Miranda and Shepard staying on the Normandy ... after all, the crew could be called their family.

Modifié par CptData, 16 janvier 2012 - 08:35 .

[Swaggacide]

Although I romanced Ashley in ME1 after ME2 I fell with Miranda. She is a truly amazing character no other way to describe it. She is beautiful, smart, strong and great in bed (or on the floor). I'm so looking forward to seeing her in ME3 and really hope we all get a full time relationship with her.

[CptData]

Swaggacide wrote...

Although I romanced Ashley in ME1 after ME2 I fell with Miranda. She is a truly amazing character no other way to describe it. She is beautiful, smart, strong and great in bed (or on the floor). I'm so looking forward to seeing her in ME3 and really hope we all get a full time relationship with her.

Oh I can understand you. I also can understand guys who stayed loyal towards Ashley. Miranda and Ash are amazing characters - strong, willpowered, beautiful. The main difference is, next to the looks, a part of Miranda's character regarding her dad. Ashley loves her dad, Miranda hates him. Ashley follows her dad's path, Miranda wants to have her own life.

Something like that. I still believe - although I saw guys denying this - Miranda-fans are -also- Ashley-fans and vice versa.

[schemata]

Ieldra2 wrote...

schemata wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Given her resignation, she doesn't have nearly as much resources as she used to while working for Cerberus. While it certainly fits her as a character to do something like you suggested, or something similar, you have to know if it's plausible or not.

Can't buy a Ferrari without the cash.

edit: She doesn't really NEED to be plotting against Cerberus every step of the way either. Simply fighting alongside Shepard is accomplishing a LOT.

What she should have done if not resigning is, as soon as she realized where Cerberus was going, act as a mole for Shepard and give him inside information. Could've even been done mostly by emails (in addition to the conversations), so it's not as if that would take a lot of resources. That could also have been a benefit of keeping the base which would have some tangible result later in the game. At some point, she would have to leave in order to avoid being indoctrinated, and then be on the run. See the spoiled scenario for the rest. 

If resigned, the "on the run" scenario would kick in from the start. Basically, there would be the same conversations in both versions, only with some options playing out differently.

BTW:
Playing ME2 helps getting over the trepidation, as I've just discovered.

disagree here, Not resigning when she knew it was going against her beliefs would be more out of character imo. course there are plenty of times, where she'll set aside her beliefs and do what is necessary, a pragmatic side I guess. But cerberus going against what she believes in is too close to her core. Shes def her own person, but more like shep in some ways then people think imo.

Diagree again.

First, there is no indication that Cerberus' general agenda as presented in ME2 is against her beliefs, except for the implications of the CB. That she resigns instead of working against this new development from within is her acknowledgement that TIM won't accept her refusal in good grace and she has no future in the organization in spite of agreeing with large parts of its agenda.

Second - and even more to the point - even if it would go against her beliefs, she would definitely stay as a mole if she thought it could do some good. That kind of thing is part of what she was trained for.

As for the risk - that's part of any good story. And part of any spy operation, real or fictional. It wouldn't turn Miranda off for one moment unless it was high enough that she thought she couldn't succeed.

good sir, I disagree with your 2nd degree disagree. The first bolded statement. The implications of the CB, if you destroy it, isnt a point to go against cerberus in the "negative" side of the ledger. Its a turning point for miri that the ends doesn't justify the means. Which i suspect most won't agree with, but I believe for her to grow, thats where she'll be heading.  I don't think it was because she knew, TIM wouldnt take her back into the fold because of this one disagreement. Instead her entire perspective had changed at this point.

second bolded part. Is that the kind of thing she's trained for, kind of. She has that training, however her expertise comes from operations and leadership; with sabotage, and spying being on the lower list of tools, in her tool box. (not too positive on that point actually)  could that be a direction she couldve taken? Partly, but it wouldve represented a miri with smallest amount of character growth. That kind of task Wouldve been better suited for:

1.) someone pro miri within the cerberus network that followed her moreso than the organization itself
2.) She admits to not being on level with sheps leadership ability, so possibly a patsy suffering from stockholme syndrome vying for approval that shell never give haha

While she would be laying the foundation of a new network to create a new agency. Because thats the kind of shoes miri fills, not sidelined into a position that someone labeled 1 or 2 could do for her.  If you still disagree with me on that point, I think how independent, strong willed we each envision miri is the difference.

[Ieldra]

CptData wrote...

Swaggacide wrote...

Although I romanced Ashley in ME1 after ME2 I fell with Miranda. She is a truly amazing character no other way to describe it. She is beautiful, smart, strong and great in bed (or on the floor). I'm so looking forward to seeing her in ME3 and really hope we all get a full time relationship with her.

Oh I can understand you. I also can understand guys who stayed loyal towards Ashley. Miranda and Ash are amazing characters - strong, willpowered, beautiful. The main difference is, next to the looks, a part of Miranda's character regarding her dad. Ashley loves her dad, Miranda hates him. Ashley follows her dad's path, Miranda wants to have her own life.

Something like that. I still believe - although I saw guys denying this - Miranda-fans are -also- Ashley-fans and vice versa.

Let's say there is significantly more overlap between Miranda's and Ashley's fanbases than between any others'. Which is surprising considering that their personalities are so different - Ashley open, playful and passionate,  Miranda reserved, serious and intellectual. Fire and Ice, an metaphor often quoted with regard to them. Apparently these differences are insignifant compared to the fact that they're both self-determined, strong and beautiful women. For me, they are significant only insofar that they made me choose Miranda over Ashley, the other three aren't in the game as far as my maleSheps are concerned.

[CptData]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Let's say there is significantly more overlap between Miranda's and Ashley's fanbases than between any others'. Which is surprising considering that their personalities are so different - Ashley open, playful and passionate,  Miranda reserved, serious and intellectual. Fire and Ice, an metaphor often quoted with regard to them. Apparently these differences are insignifant compared to the fact that they're both self-determined, strong and beautiful women. For me, they are significant only insofar that they made me choose Miranda over Ashley, the other three aren't in the game as far as my maleSheps are concerned.

Hmm, from what I can see, the fandoms of Ashley and Kaidan can be merged into one - "VS fandom". Think both fandoms are pretty much nice towards each other since both characters face the same fate and only one can go on while the other has to die. Maybe that's one of the reasons why both fandoms are friendly. It also helps a bit Kaidan & Ashley are not competing for Shepard's love and they seem to be friends in the game too. I simply enjoyed their banter.

Miranda & Ashley fandom -do- overlap. Think both characters have more in common that you (or I) can see right now. For example both conceal their true self. Ashley acts tomboyish, but has soft spots. I'd consider her as very feminine - you just need to see behind the Gunnery Chief Williams to find Ashley.
Miranda is pretty much similar here: she acts as cool professional but only to protect herself and the insecure side of herself: although she's made to be perfect, she's not. Miranda does make mistakes. She wants to know her place, needs a reason to justify her existence. And she wants to love and wants to be loved, she can't be without someone. That's the human side - which is very beautiful.

Fire and Ice? Sounds neat and fits both. Although I'd say Ashley is a fire that burns HOT - and Miranda is a COLD (icy) fire. I think both work perfectly with Shepard and actually - don't let Tali/Liara/Jack-fans hear this *g* - they're more equals to Shepard than any other of the avaiable women.
Both are challenging, both aren't easy to get and both see Shepard as their "big love" once you earned their affection.

[wright1978]

I'm currently trying to go back to ME1 and re-discover a less jaded and cynical shep and see if i can appreciate and carry forward an Ashley romance without falling at the first Miranda hurdle.

[schemata]

wright1978 wrote...

I'm currently trying to go back to ME1 and re-discover a less jaded and cynical shep and see if i can appreciate and carry forward an Ashley romance without falling at the first Miranda hurdle.

probably impossible.

but hey you can do some damage control come ME3 if you change your mind.

[CptData]

schemata wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

I'm currently trying to go back to ME1 and re-discover a less jaded and cynical shep and see if i can appreciate and carry forward an Ashley romance without falling at the first Miranda hurdle.

probably impossible.

but hey you can do some damage control come ME3 if you change your mind.

Must say I can understand you both. I can't get through ME1 without romancing Ash. I also can't virmire her. And my Shepards are loyal dogs ... therefore they can't go for Miranda, even if they want doing so.

So I can imagine how you're feeling

Also I heard (without getting into spoilers) Ashley's, Kaidan's and Liara's romance arcs feel a bit different in case you didn't move on in ME2 after romancing one of them in ME1. So although it's hard to do, if you like Ashley AND Miranda you should give it a try.
Like I do. Next playthrough Miranda. Please

Modifié par CptData, 16 janvier 2012 - 09:50 .

[Ieldra]

schemata wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Disagree again.

First, there is no indication that Cerberus' general agenda as presented in ME2 is against her beliefs, except for the implications of the CB. That she resigns instead of working against this new development from within is her acknowledgement that TIM won't accept her refusal in good grace and she has no future in the organization in spite of agreeing with large parts of its agenda.

Second - and even more to the point - even if it would go against her beliefs, she would definitely stay as a mole if she thought it could do some good. That kind of thing is part of what she was trained for.

As for the risk - that's part of any good story. And part of any spy operation, real or fictional. It wouldn't turn Miranda off for one moment unless it was high enough that she thought she couldn't succeed.

good sir, I disagree with your 2nd degree disagree. The first bolded statement. The implications of the CB, if you destroy it, isnt a point to go against cerberus in the "negative" side of the ledger. Its a turning point for miri that the ends doesn't justify the means. Which i suspect most won't agree with, but I believe for her to grow, thats where she'll be heading.  I don't think it was because she knew, TIM wouldnt take her back into the fold because of this one disagreement. Instead her entire perspective had changed at this point.

This is exactly what I have always contested when I argued that Miranda's "betrayal" line is out of character because it compromises her operative side so much that it might never have existed. There is no buildup for this change, not even on the SM itself, it comes totally out of the blue.

Also, "the ends justify the means" needs elaboration. You generally need to qualify which ends exactly justify which means exactly, or the statement is meaningless since "any little good justifies the most brutal means" is not something that could be seriously discussed. Back to Miranda, I agree that using humans in the way they were used at the CB would go beyond the means Miranda is willing to accept, but not retroactively. What has been done, and been done by non-Cerberus agents, would have no weight in Miranda's reasoning about why the base should be kept or not. But that's exactly the line of arguments used by Shepard in the Paragon exchange with TIM - that the base should be destroyed because of what was done there, and Miranda's line echos that. That's a purely sentimental reasoning that would have zero weight in Miranda's mind when judging a strategic resource. On the other hand, if she wanted to imply that TIM will use the base the same way and that was not worth it, why did she not say so? The problem is that taken by itself, the CB fails a moral dilemma. Keeping it would pose absolutely no problem at all without TIM in the equation, and I can't believe Miranda would not see that. Yet the complete Paragon exchange seems to be based on exactly that.

Not that this will ever become a problem in my games, since I never destroy the base.

second bolded part. Is that the kind of thing she's trained for, kind of. She has that training, however her expertise comes from operations and leadership; with sabotage, and spying being on the lower list of tools, in her tool box. (not too positive on that point actually)  could that be a direction she couldve taken? Partly, but it wouldve represented a miri with smallest amount of character growth. That kind of task Wouldve been better suited for:

1.) someone pro miri within the cerberus network that followed her moreso than the organization itself
2.) She admits to not being on level with sheps leadership ability, so possibly a patsy suffering from stockholme syndrome vying for approval that shell never give haha

While she would be laying the foundation of a new network to create a new agency. Because thats the kind of shoes miri fills, not sidelined into a position that someone labeled 1 or 2 could do for her.  If you still disagree with me on that point, I think how independent, strong willed we each envision miri is the difference.

:lol:
Are you telling me I envision Miranda as less independent and strong-willed? LOL, that's new in all the history of the Miranda threads.

To clarify, I was talking about acting as a mole within Cerberus as the starting point of her story arc in ME3 if you don't destroy the base. Of course that wouldn't be the end of things for her. As I've said very, very often, I want her to create a human STG from the remnants of Cerberus and lead it. But that's mostly for after the war. All she can do within the very limited timeframe of ME3 is lay the foundations. For that, she'd need to have contact with other potential operatives, and many of them would be Cerberus operatives doubtful about the newest directions taken by TIM. So acting as a mole would enable her to create a secret network within Cerberus as a foundation for the new "human STG" that's to be established after the war. The two goals are very compatible. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:01 .

[Swaggacide]

I have yet to complete a ME2 playthrougj without falling for Miranda I find her irresistible. That's why in the end I'm choosing her over Ashley. I love Ashley as well but never felt the way about her as I do Miranda. She is still an awesome character though

[CptData]

Swaggacide wrote...

I have yet to complete a ME2 playthrougj without falling for Miranda I find her irresistible. That's why in the end I'm choosing her over Ashley. I love Ashley as well but never felt the way about her as I do Miranda. She is still an awesome character though

Yep, that's pretty much the same for me - just the other way around. I can't resist Ash. And my Shep would give his life to protect Ashley. Okay, he would do the same for Miranda. It's still different ...

Think if I would meet Ashley- & Miranda-like women in real life, I had a hard time a) to stay faithful to my fiancee and decide for one. They're awesome. And too much to handle for me (in real life, as I said)

[Ieldra]

schemata wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

I'm currently trying to go back to ME1 and re-discover a less jaded and cynical shep and see if i can appreciate and carry forward an Ashley romance without falling at the first Miranda hurdle.

probably impossible.

but hey you can do some damage control come ME3 if you change your mind.

I have yet to complete a maleShep ME2 playthrough without romancing Miranda. "Damage control" in ME3 is out of the question since that would mean treating Miranda's romance as a fling. The only way I'll ever romance Ashley in ME3 is by not romancing Miranda in ME2.

Maybe I'll be able to do that some day. Right now, apart from my general preference for her, my trepidation about Miranda in ME3 is big enough that I need ME2 Miranda as an anchor whenever I play ME2.

@CptData:
Yeah, too much to handle in RL.  Admiration from afar is the best I could hope for. But this is wish-fulfilling fiction. We have larger-than-life Shepard for larger-than-life Miranda

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:16 .

[CptData]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@CptData:
Yeah, too much to handle in RL.  Admiration from afar is the best I could hope for. But this is wish-fulfilling fiction. We have larger-than-life Shepard for larger-than-life Miranda

Believe it or not ... I would try it in R/L. Think my self-esteem grew a lot since I found my fiancee: at least I know I can ask a woman like Miranda / Ashley for a date or buy her a drink and talk with her. It's still hard enough, but possible.

You could see it this way: a lot of beautiful and willpowered women are single because men don't dare to ask them. If you make that first step they might be impressed. Dunno if that's the entrance to more, but at least it should help.

On the other hand: such women demand an equal - or someone who's better. Which is really hard. But then again - as cheesy as it sounds - love gives wings and you can become more than you are. Just for them.
Now that I think of, half of my Shepard's reputation & actions come from the fact he wants to impress Ashley

[schemata]

This is exactly what I have always contested when I argued that Miranda's "betrayal" line is out of character because it compromises her operative side so much that it might never have existed. There is no buildup for this change, not even on the SM itself, it comes totally out of the blue.

Also, "the ends justify the means" needs elaboration. You generally need to qualify which ends exactly justify which means exactly, or the statement is meaningless since "any little good justifies the most brutal means" is not something that could be seriously discussed. Back to Miranda, I agree that using humans in the way they were used at the CB would go beyond the means Miranda is willing to accept, but not retroactively. What has been done, and been done by non-Cerberus agents, would have no weight in Miranda's reasoning about why the base should be kept or not.

 
Ah but now enter paragon sheps influence! I always felt that sheps influence could subtlely be seen in all those around him.  I almost feel that he's generally the driving force for change with all of sheps allies growth of character. I think the moral dividing line your using is pre-paragon-shep. I also believe the CB is what is needed for her to adopt proactive values; values she is true too regardless of circumstances. shaking your head no? haha.  Alright we won't be agreeing here, but Im idealistic>cynic

Plus it'll be better for her this way, theres basically a ton of foreshadowing that keeping the base will have bad consequences. Which I try to take consequences into effect so Im not butthurt come ME the third. I think theres a decision you gotta make. Rp, where you try to stay as true to a nuancsed character as possible, or accept the avenues your given and make the best of it. but I gotten say, going willy nilly with paragon, neutral, and renegade options still wont really give shep a personality. But thats a topic for another day.

But that's exactly the line of arguments used by Shepard in the Paragon exchange with TIM - that the base should be destroyed because of what was done there, and Miranda's line echos that. That's a purely sentimental reasoning that would have zero weight in Miranda's mind when judging a strategic resource. On the other hand, if she wanted to imply that TIM will use the base the same way and that was not worth it, why did she not say so? The problem is that taken by itself, the CB fails a moral dilemma. Keeping it would pose absolutely no problem at all without TIM in the equation, and I can't believe Miranda would not see that. Yet the complete Paragon exchange seems to be based on exactly that.

This is a hard moral arguement to make. I can see why you think it goes against miris character.  however imo at this point in time I think the SM mission, if youve taken the paragon path; changes her... values to an extent. That its no longer a logical choice but one from the heart. In my head canon, once Me2 is complete she's still largerly who she was- except with a lil more heart.  This is crossing into some really, miri, breaking material. But in my head she still is who she is, but shifted to the left a notch or two. I def know this idea isnt for everyone and will largely be mine, but yeah. I see where your coming from, but I guess I tried to make it fit long ago in my head.

Not that this will ever become a problem in my games, since I never destroy the base.

That be dangerous territory yo.  someone might die because of that choice.  If one thing me1 and 2 do, is lean into every foreshadowed event, and make every phrophecy true.  I probably couldnt list all the times the game has told you that using reaper tech stunts your development and is bad. But thats not are arguement here at all and Im going off on a tangeant.

:lol:
Are you telling me I envision Miranda as less independent and strong-willed? LOL, that's new in all the history of the Miranda threads.

First for everything. I thought of it as a playful jab. But debate aside, your posts rock,

To clarify, I was talking about acting as a mole within Cerberus as the starting point of her story arc in ME3 if you don't destroy the base. Of course that wouldn't be the end of things for her. As I've said very, very often, I want her to create a human STG from the remnants of Cerberus and lead it. But that's mostly for after the war. All she can do within the very limited timeframe of ME3 is lay the foundations. For that, she'd need to have contact with other potential operatives, and many of them would be Cerberus operatives doubtful about the newest directions taken by TIM. So acting as a mole would enable her to create a secret network within Cerberus as a foundation for the new "human STG" that's to be established after the war. The two are very compatible. 

hmmm. I still could see her laying the foundation from the "outside" because in my head canon, my paragon shep has changed her.. perspective. But either way, yeah your ideas are way more in line with miri. however I still think its a miri that went through the events of me2 largely unchanged. Whereas my paragon nudged her down a slightly different path.

The end goal would be the same for your miri and mine, and that would be a human STG, probably have N7 under their roof as well. In the end your ideas are tighter, but sounds like your path was a little more fuzzy as far as your shep. But your ideas for miri and her very immediate future are tighter.  My path was much more para and tighter, with a fuzzier immediate future. You win. fine.

[jlb524]

Ieldra2 wrote...
On the other hand, if she wanted to imply that TIM will use the base the same way and that was not worth it, why did she not say so? The problem is that taken by itself, the CB fails a moral dilemma. Keeping it would pose absolutely no problem at all without TIM in the equation, and I can't believe Miranda would not see that. Yet the complete Paragon exchange seems to be based on exactly that. 

I don't agree with this.

Or maybe I misunderstand your point.

If she believes the Reapers need to be stopped and the technology is too dangerous to pursue for study then I don't see the issue with her wanting to sabatoge it.

[ThomGau]

I agree with you Cpt, courage and confidence are essential with the ladies .

Just like you Ieldra, I was never able not to romance Miranda in any of my mShep playthroughs . To romance Ashley in ME3, I will have to redo ME1 and stay faithful, I may do it someday, I'm not sure though .

Modifié par ThomGau, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:57 .

[Swaggacide]

Does anyone have ideas on how we will be introduced to Miranda in ME3?

[nuclearpengu1nn]

Is Miranda still a romance option in ME3?