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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

So......blow his brains out....not blow his brains out....? O____o

[Repearized Miranda]

Arijharn wrote...

I think it would actually be unnatural not to see Oriana in some capacity in 3.

I mean, there's this massive galaxy-spanning war (give or take), and yet you don't think Miranda would be desperate to save arguably the most important person to her? The flipside is even worse imo, Miranda desperately worrying about her sister and yet being able to do absolutely nothing in order to save her. At least saving her gives Miranda some degree of closure and she could then concentrate on other matters.

Yes, the problem could be that it becomes too much alike her LM, but I have confidence differences could be injected into it.

Well, I wouldn't say too much like it because her LM in ME2 was pretty separate from the rest of the game. (But so were all the LMs - not saying they weren't pertenant)

If they did my scenario in three ( a little residue), it could very well fit in given all the links:

Mr. Lawson-Miranda-Oriana. Then, you've got him-Ceberus-TIM-Shepard-Reaper threat. It's not at all straight forward, but you see how all of that ties in. All the sub-plots intersected with the main plot. Sure, there is too much there; however, there's just as much if not more that should be seen - especially if it was hinted at in ME2.

Again, don't do this as to go off in it's own little world. I think that's what made her LM seem not-as-impactive. If not for the LM itself! (ie: I went through hell, but she wasn't in any "real danger?" I'd be royally pissed at Miri if I didn't love her.) Given my scenario though, she WOULD be in danger and Miri wouldn't even have to ask!

Modifié par Repearized Miranda, 27 juin 2011 - 04:42 .

[S.A.K]

Damn, is the troll gone? What did I miss?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

yeah yeah he's gone

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

So.....anyone else have anything they want to see with Miri in ME3?

[LuxDragon]

Arijharn wrote...

Dear Lux, you need a new beta.

Must have next chapter!

It's up! It's up! Yay!

[Arijharn]

LuxDragon wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Dear Lux, you need a new beta.

Must have next chapter!

It's up! It's up! Yay!

I keep on clicking on reload yet nothing's happenin'!  

The only solution therefore must be: CLICK RELOAD FASTER

[Vertigo_1]

Leaving this here before I hit the sack:

http://twitter.com/#...195603864338432
"Will character loyalty status have an impact in ME3?"

"Loyalty itself may or may not, but effects of choices made on certain loyalty missions can be HUGE."

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 27 juin 2011 - 05:34 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

^ hmmmmm....

[Td1984]

I think having Miranda talk to Oriana could be one of those huge decisions. If you do, Miranda is able to get to Oriana in time and save her from the Reapers (as I mentioned before, Oriana will know who Miri is and trust her and Miranda will be able to more easily convince her family to move again). If not, Oriana and her adopted family die.

Zaeed could be another. If you take the Renegade path and kill Vido, Zaeed is able to take back control of the Blue Suns and you'll have them as an ally.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Td1984 wrote...

I think having Miranda talk to Oriana could be one of those huge decisions. If you do, Miranda is able to get to Oriana in time and save her from the Reapers (as I mentioned before, Oriana will know who Miri is and trust her and Miranda will be able to more easily convince her family to move again). If not, Oriana and her adopted family die.

Let's hope Miri is able to do this without Cerberus tracking her, that's if she were to do this BEFORE we are Reunited with her.

Cerberus could most likely be after Miri.

[Shotokanguy]

Wow, you guys talk a lot. I just wanted to see if Melrache had answered my question and there's like, 10+ pages since yesterday. One page in, I see a link to Degrees of Inheritance and have to check if there's an update, and ended up spending a little over an hour reading up. Now I don't have time to read the last several pages!

[snfonseka]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Leaving this here before I hit the sack:

http://twitter.com/#...195603864338432
"Will character loyalty status have an impact in ME3?"

"Loyalty itself may or may not, but effects of choices made on certain loyalty missions can be HUGE."

The only choice that can make a huge impact is "House Divided". Others are limited choices that effect a single character or few.

or maybe BW is overusing the word "Huge" (they have overused two words for DA2). I hope this is not the case.

Modifié par snfonseka, 27 juin 2011 - 06:44 .

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
Personally, I also add the 1st romance conversation to this list.
IMO the conversation about Cerberus sounds like the typical Cerberus propaganda speach, with Miranda trying to convice herself that Cerberus motives are right and still in accord with her personal convictions.

Are you referring to when Miranda defends the Cerberus' operations we encounter in ME1?
Quite frankly, I tought her justifications were all very reasonable.

Indeed. She sounds not only convinced, but reasonably convincing. You get the impression that you can take about half of Cerberus and make something interesting from it, which can't be completely wrong because TIM may have hidden things from her, but she's still one of his highest-ranked operatives and can't be completely ignorant.

That's why I don't buy the "built-up doubts about Cerberus" hypothesis as reason for her resignation. For me it still comes out of the blue, and I think people make far too much of it considering that those who don't take her to the final boss never get to see it.  

[Ieldra]

snfonseka wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Leaving this here before I hit the sack:

http://twitter.com/#...195603864338432
"Will character loyalty status have an impact in ME3?"

"Loyalty itself may or may not, but effects of choices made on certain loyalty missions can be HUGE."

The only choice that can make a huge impact is "House Divided". Others are limited choices that effect a single character or few.

The choice in Tali's loyalty mission potentially affects the whole Migrant Fleet. Also having an Ardat-Yakshi mask as a Justicar may have wide-ranging consequences, and it may make a noticeable difference for the political situation if Joram Talid lives.

There are many ways how unimportant characters may influence the greater events, for instance like this: if Miranda speaks to Oriana on Illium, Oriana will do some research to find out more about her sister. She stumbles on some secret and gets captured, which will distract Miranda in a crucial situaion when she hears what happened. Not that I think this will happen

[Sebby]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
Personally, I also add the 1st romance conversation to this list.
IMO the conversation about Cerberus sounds like the typical Cerberus propaganda speach, with Miranda trying to convice herself that Cerberus motives are right and still in accord with her personal convictions.

Are you referring to when Miranda defends the Cerberus' operations we encounter in ME1?
Quite frankly, I tought her justifications were all very reasonable.

Indeed. She sounds not only convinced, but reasonably convincing. You get the impression that you can take about half of Cerberus and make something interesting from it, which can't be completely wrong because TIM may have hidden things from her, but she's still one of his highest-ranked operatives and can't be completely ignorant.

That's why I don't buy the "built-up doubts about Cerberus" hypothesis as reason for her resignation. For me it still comes out of the blue, and I think people make far too much of it considering that those who don't take her to the final boss never get to see it.  

I was disapointed that her character went down the cliche route of turning against Cerberus but fortunately I kept the base and avoided that.

Modifié par Seboist, 27 juin 2011 - 06:56 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I rather like Jack. I hope she and Miranda can come to an understanding in ME3. I'm envisioning an Aveline and Isabela-style relationship.

Can't see that betweeen Miranda and Jack. Between Ashley and Miranda, definitely.

[Ieldra]

Seboist wrote...
I was disapointed that her character went down the cliche route of turning against Cerberus but fortunately I kept the base and avoided that.

Same here. I wonder which kind of consequences we can expect from that. Given what little we know about ME3, it'll make a great deal more sense that she resigns from Cerberus then. I hope the game lets me write my personal story like that and doesn't just assume Miranda isn't with Cerberus any more.

[ParadoxAu]

Yannkee wrote...
Miri + Kasumi was my favorite team, but now I prefer Miri and Thane. Too bad I have to wait the second part of the game to recruit him

My last playthrough used Miri & Samara. I found it fairly powerful as an Infiltrator, but my next playthroughs will be for Story rather then power. It'll either be Miri & Kasumi or Miri & Thane.

This thread is truly insane... I've missed atleast 2 or 3 topics due to the Time Differences!

[snfonseka]

Ieldra2 wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Leaving this here before I hit the sack:

http://twitter.com/#...195603864338432
"Will character loyalty status have an impact in ME3?"

"Loyalty itself may or may not, but effects of choices made on certain loyalty missions can be HUGE."

The only choice that can make a huge impact is "House Divided". Others are limited choices that effect a single character or few.

The choice in Tali's loyalty mission potentially affects the whole Migrant Fleet. Also having an Ardat-Yakshi mask as a Justicar may have wide-ranging consequences, and it may make a noticeable difference for the political situation if Joram Talid lives.

There are many ways how unimportant characters may influence the greater events, for instance like this: if Miranda speaks to Oriana on Illium, Oriana will do some research to find out more about her sister. She stumbles on some secret and gets captured, which will distract Miranda in a crucial situaion when she hears what happened. Not that I think this will happen

Yep, you are correct regarding Tali. How did I miss that? 

Me 2.

[Shotokanguy]

Well, I haven't played ME2 in months, so maybe my brain could use some refreshing, but I don't find the development too sudden.

First off, the idea of an organization like Cerberus has always felt like a purely fictional possibility. They're just insane. Who's to say the thought never occurs to Miranda, who is already an intelligent person, and is being influenced by someone as influential as Shepard?

Secondly, in that moment in the Collector base, it's not strange to think that what she'd seen in there had created some indescribable feeling that simply told her what the Illusive Man wanted was wrong, and that she had to disobey him. On top of everything else, she made the decision to leave.

It's not perfect, but is any character in ME2 developed the way they could've been? BioWare can still do plenty of good in ME3.

Modifié par Shotokanguy, 27 juin 2011 - 07:19 .

[mineralica]

snfonseka wrote...

The only choice that can make a huge impact is "House Divided". Others are limited choices that effect a single character or few.

or maybe BW is overusing the word "Huge" (they have overused two words for DA2). I hope this is not the case.

I can imagine how Tali's mission may impact entire Migrant Fleet or Mordin's research affecting morale of Krogans (let alone situation where his LM isn't done and Weyrlocs may get this cure).

[Ieldra]

Arijharn wrote...
Truth to be told, I think that because she has a certain amount of ruthlessness about her (and I think the ruthlessness stems from the cold, harsh pragmatism and not from a zealous or mean-spirited behaviour than it's doubly attractive.

Agreed. I find the combination of sexual attraction and pragmatism particularly appealing. It gives her presence and power. She's the center, she doesn't rotate around others. 

Have I mentioned yet that I value the fact that she's actually smarter than Shephard?

I don't recall you having mentioned it, but I did. In fact, I have a hard time coming up with a character concept for my Shepards that make him believably smart enough that she'll respect him. The game puts so many hurdles in my way with the stupid lines given to Shepard at times. F***** action hero stereotype!

It's all of these facets I think that make me think that Yvo--Miranda () is the ideal partner for Shephard because of all the partners, she's the (most?!) equal. Miranda doesn't seem to push her problems in Shephard's face, like I felt Jack, Liara or even Tali does. It's because I think Ashley also doesn't do this that makes Ashley a 'worthy' competitor -- even though in my 'canon' Shephard playthrough (Paragade Adept) she's dead.

Well, she does ask for your help. Perhaps it makes a difference that she finds the necessity embarrassing. Yes, I think that's it. Agree with everything else you said, also about Ashley. It's almost as if in my mind, only two possible LIs for maleShep exist.

[Sebby]

It's not hard to be smarter than Shepard when he says stupid **** like comparing the first contact war with the genophage,acting surprised that Asari can reproduce with each other,asking Tali if she's royalty or asking Morinth if she absorbed her mother's essence after killing her.

[Ieldra]

Shotokanguy wrote...
First off, the idea of an organization like Cerberus has always felt like a purely fictional possibility. They're just insane. Who's to say the thought never occurs to Miranda, who is already an intelligent person, and is being influenced by someone as influential as Shepard?

The idea itself I don't find insane, no. But the degree of needless cruelty displayed is indeed beyond ridiculous. How you judge them depends on how much you take these things at face value. I just can't. I can't believe that *any* organization could ever be quite so blithely disregarding of human lives to not even try to find solutions to their problems that cost less lives. So I assume the over-the-top-ness is a result of "players are morons"-thinking and reduce the amount of sheer idiocy in my mind to make the organization more believable. Miranda wouldn't be working with idiots, in that you're right.   

Secondly, in that moment in the Collector base, it's not strange to think that what she'd seen in there had created some indescribable feeling that simply told her what the Illusive Man wanted was wrong, and that she had to disobey him. On top of everything else, she made the decision to leave.

Oh, I don't deny she may have those feelings. But I don't think she'd act on them. Let's leave it at that, that topic has been debated to death.

@Seboist:
Fortunately, these lines are all easily avoidable. It's the unavoidable ones that I find annoying, or those that result from a decision I make a certain way, but for other reasons than Shepard gives. Here's one: I like to overall mood if you shout down the Admiralty board in Tali's LM. I like that Shepard calls them out for having a propaganda trial. But really, Tali's history of service should have absolutely NO bearing on the proceedings. Realistically, it may have an affect on the sentence if Tali is found guilty, but for the decision itself no court worth its name would let it matter one bit.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 juin 2011 - 08:07 .