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[AgitatedLemon]

Ryzaki wrote...

android654 wrote...

Is that actually written somewhere in the codex, that upgrades were made to him in order to accept other upgrades? Either way it doesn't matter how they tweaked him. If Shepard was born with toes with irregular length, a misshapen tooth, uneven eyes, a weak liver, discolored skin, etc it diminishes his standing as a perfect person. Whether the defects are cosmetic or not it still affects that standing and not matter how you build that Shepard they will always have a little thing that is "off" about them. Miranda doesn't have any of those problems, anywhere within her person.

I'm just not seeing how they're equal or how Shepard is superior. Yes Shepard's the Hero/Heroine of the epic so naturally there is something "special" about them in their ability to get the job done.

However its kind of hard to say your equal to someone who's designed to be the perfect specimen of their species without being made perfect yourself, which Shepard isn't. Shepard flaunts his/her flaws with pride as it humanizes them and makes the narrative of fighting for humans more personal.

I don't see what toes and stuff have to do with physical prowess. That's what I was contesting.

If Shep and Miranda got in a hand to hand fight I'd bet on Shep. Frankly if Shep and anyone gets in hand to hand I'm betting on Shep. That doesn't make him better than Miranda just a better fighter.

Miranda is designed to be perfect yes. But that in itself would be something "off" to any normal human being we're all flawed so anything not flawed will be alien and stand out.

Never said Shep was superior. Just said he was a better fighter and was most likely faster and stronger.

Seeing as I only see Miranda as perfect physically saying Shep's her equal when she designed his body to me means little. Both Shep and Miranda are flawed and arguing otherwise is foolish. It just happens to be with (personality is the wrong word) mentally instead of physically with Miranda instead of the mix with every other human being.

I'm not sure if this applies...

but "Nobody's perfect". I'm not sure if her infertility is a flaw or a feature.

[Ryzaki]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
I'm not sure if this applies...

but "Nobody's perfect". I'm not sure if her infertility is a flaw or a feature.

...I always forget about her infertility.

Well so much for physical perfection.

I'd say it's a flaw (and no I'm not saying anything is wrong with someone being infertile. Merely that I wouldn't consider a "perfect" human to be infertile. Like Samara's arguement against Morinth.) ME universe probably has contraceptions that work with a 99.999999% accuracy rating.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 janvier 2012 - 10:26 .

[nelly21]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

@bold, the way you put it makes Shepard sound like a huge dick. I like the kiss, but the dialogue preceding and following is kinda... meh.

I think it's meh if you take it truthfully. I see it more like he's teasing her. Honestly, I imagine the romance to be the result of unwanted attraction. My main Shep knows he shouldn't like her. He's Alliance through and through. But it's still there, bothering him. As for her, she's Cerberus through and through. She shouldn't like him. He's just a grasp at a straw by Illusive Man.

Yet even though they don't like each other the attraction is there (hence renegade comments). It boils over with the renegade kiss and then grows into more than just physical attraction.

AgitatedLemon wrote...

edit: How did no one catch this? in my "head canon" and "Shepard's equal", I was referring to her rank aboard hte Normandy, not his/her traits.

Goddammit. Sorry for taking you out of context. My bad. Now I'm sad. Your comment lead to one of the most enjoyable dicussions I've had on BSN in a LONG time.

[android654]

Ryzaki wrote...

android654 wrote...

Is that actually written somewhere in the codex, that upgrades were made to him in order to accept other upgrades? Either way it doesn't matter how they tweaked him. If Shepard was born with toes with irregular length, a misshapen tooth, uneven eyes, a weak liver, discolored skin, etc it diminishes his standing as a perfect person. Whether the defects are cosmetic or not it still affects that standing and not matter how you build that Shepard they will always have a little thing that is "off" about them. Miranda doesn't have any of those problems, anywhere within her person.

I'm just not seeing how they're equal or how Shepard is superior. Yes Shepard's the Hero/Heroine of the epic so naturally there is something "special" about them in their ability to get the job done.

However its kind of hard to say your equal to someone who's designed to be the perfect specimen of their species without being made perfect yourself, which Shepard isn't. Shepard flaunts his/her flaws with pride as it humanizes them and makes the narrative of fighting for humans more personal.

I don't see what toes and stuff have to do with physical prowess. That's what I was contesting.

If Shep and Miranda got in a hand to hand fight I'd bet on Shep. Frankly if Shep and anyone gets in hand to hand I'm betting on Shep. That doesn't make him better than Miranda just a better fighter.

Miranda is designed to be perfect yes. But that in itself would be something "off" to any normal human being we're all flawed so anything not flawed will be alien and stand out.

Never said Shep was superior. Just said he was a better fighter and was most likely faster and stronger.

Seeing as I only see Miranda as perfect physically saying Shep's her equal when she designed his body to me means little. Both Shep and Miranda are flawed and arguing otherwise is nonsencial. It just happens to be with personality instead of body with Miranda.

If your feet are misshapen you can't run walk or jump as easily as someone who's feet are more symmetrical. If your skin has weaker melanin content in certain places you're more susceptible to free radicals from the sun and the pollutants in the air. Misshapen teeth can lead to grinding while chewing which can destroy your other teeth. Uneven limbs can destabilize you in learning proper coordination and limit kinesthetic awareness which makes all physical activity more difficult.

I guess that depends on how you play your Shepard. As someone who's studied that area for six years I'll bet more readily on the person who knows more about the subject not just the guy who gets in more fights. Personally of the whole Normandy I'd bet on Jacob, he's calm and cool, knows when to step up and when to step back. That's a million times more important than someone who foolishly headbutts a 2 ton dinosaur man who's covered in calloused plates and armor. Shep's not too bright in those renegade interrupts.

Now you're arguing semantics. I think the concept of perfect has few variables and all of those would rely upon physical preferences. She's perfect in the anatomical sense. Perfect metabolism, ideal height and weight for a woman, ideal body fat percentage for the places she spends the majority of her time.

Better fighter? See above. Also, there's no way to gauge speed and strength between the two but considering Miranda has the perfect weight and muscles mass to body fat ratio and Shepard's can jump up and down I'd wager she's faster than him simply because she was tailored that way.

[AgitatedLemon]

nelly21 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

@bold, the way you put it makes Shepard sound like a huge dick. I like the kiss, but the dialogue preceding and following is kinda... meh.

I think it's meh if you take it truthfully. I see it more like he's teasing her. Honestly, I imagine the romance to be the result of unwanted attraction. My main Shep knows he shouldn't like her. He's Alliance through and through. But it's still there, bothering him. As for her, she's Cerberus through and through. She shouldn't like him. He's just a grasp at a straw by Illusive Man.

Yet even though they don't like each other the attraction is there (hence renegade comments). It boils over with the renegade kiss and then grows into more than just physical attraction.

AgitatedLemon wrote...

edit: How did no one catch this? in my "head canon" and "Shepard's equal", I was referring to her rank aboard hte Normandy, not his/her traits.

Goddammit. Sorry for taking you out of context. My bad. Now I'm sad. Your comment lead to one of the most enjoyable dicussions I've had on BSN in a LONG time.

1. That's one reason I don't like the renegade dialogue. Maybe it's just me, but I'm not going to tell the girl I'm chasing "Nya nya nya nya u jelly?", even if it's just teasing. If it wasn't scripted, it would likely be misconstrued. I doubt it's just a physical attraction (Even at the start), given the paragon versions of the dialogues. Again, maybe it's just me.

2. You're welcome.

[android654]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

android654 wrote...

Is that actually written somewhere in the codex, that upgrades were made to him in order to accept other upgrades? Either way it doesn't matter how they tweaked him. If Shepard was born with toes with irregular length, a misshapen tooth, uneven eyes, a weak liver, discolored skin, etc it diminishes his standing as a perfect person. Whether the defects are cosmetic or not it still affects that standing and not matter how you build that Shepard they will always have a little thing that is "off" about them. Miranda doesn't have any of those problems, anywhere within her person.

I'm just not seeing how they're equal or how Shepard is superior. Yes Shepard's the Hero/Heroine of the epic so naturally there is something "special" about them in their ability to get the job done.

However its kind of hard to say your equal to someone who's designed to be the perfect specimen of their species without being made perfect yourself, which Shepard isn't. Shepard flaunts his/her flaws with pride as it humanizes them and makes the narrative of fighting for humans more personal.

I don't see what toes and stuff have to do with physical prowess. That's what I was contesting.

If Shep and Miranda got in a hand to hand fight I'd bet on Shep. Frankly if Shep and anyone gets in hand to hand I'm betting on Shep. That doesn't make him better than Miranda just a better fighter.

Miranda is designed to be perfect yes. But that in itself would be something "off" to any normal human being we're all flawed so anything not flawed will be alien and stand out.

Never said Shep was superior. Just said he was a better fighter and was most likely faster and stronger.

Seeing as I only see Miranda as perfect physically saying Shep's her equal when she designed his body to me means little. Both Shep and Miranda are flawed and arguing otherwise is foolish. It just happens to be with (personality is the wrong word) mentally instead of physically with Miranda instead of the mix with every other human being.

I'm not sure if this applies...

but "Nobody's perfect". I'm not sure if her infertility is a flaw or a feature.

Speaking from a scientific stand point, there's no way to tell the long term effects of long periods in space for all we know infertility could very well be rampant amongst humans. Also I think given the right tools and time where the science is perfected, controlling reproduction from a scientific standpoint would be superior to just having it the old fashioned way. You can rule out a lot of genetic malformations this way.

I'd count it as a feature, since I think the "traditional family" structure is something that would probably be abandoned by most people at that point in the future.

[Ryzaki]

android654 wrote...

*snip*

Neither Shep nor Miranda are handicapped. There's nothing about Shep that suggests he/she is anything outside the normal person with a few centinmeters difference between his limbs. (if its even that high).

And we're arguing semantics. Suffice to say there's no way of saying flat out Miranda or Shepard are superior to each other unless the two of them got into a fight. I'm not even going to get into the "foolish" headbutt because for my Shepard that was quite a calculating move. Both of us are guessing and frankly I'm not getting into a wall of text war over YMMV. It's pointless.

Miranda's not perfect, Shep's not perfect and the two of them being equals/who's better than who is up to player interpretation. You think she's superior than Shep, I think she's equal or slightly inferior.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 janvier 2012 - 10:36 .

[android654]

...Miranda's perfect.

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

android654 wrote...

Is that actually written somewhere in the codex, that upgrades were made to him in order to accept other upgrades? Either way it doesn't matter how they tweaked him. If Shepard was born with toes with irregular length, a misshapen tooth, uneven eyes, a weak liver, discolored skin, etc it diminishes his standing as a perfect person. Whether the defects are cosmetic or not it still affects that standing and not matter how you build that Shepard they will always have a little thing that is "off" about them. Miranda doesn't have any of those problems, anywhere within her person.

I'm just not seeing how they're equal or how Shepard is superior. Yes Shepard's the Hero/Heroine of the epic so naturally there is something "special" about them in their ability to get the job done.

However its kind of hard to say your equal to someone who's designed to be the perfect specimen of their species without being made perfect yourself, which Shepard isn't. Shepard flaunts his/her flaws with pride as it humanizes them and makes the narrative of fighting for humans more personal.

I don't see what toes and stuff have to do with physical prowess. That's what I was contesting.

If Shep and Miranda got in a hand to hand fight I'd bet on Shep. Frankly if Shep and anyone gets in hand to hand I'm betting on Shep. That doesn't make him better than Miranda just a better fighter.

Miranda is designed to be perfect yes. But that in itself would be something "off" to any normal human being we're all flawed so anything not flawed will be alien and stand out.

Never said Shep was superior. Just said he was a better fighter and was most likely faster and stronger.

Seeing as I only see Miranda as perfect physically saying Shep's her equal when she designed his body to me means little. Both Shep and Miranda are flawed and arguing otherwise is nonsencial. It just happens to be with personality instead of body with Miranda.

If your feet are misshapen you can't run walk or jump as easily as someone who's feet are more symmetrical. If your skin has weaker melanin content in certain places you're more susceptible to free radicals from the sun and the pollutants in the air. Misshapen teeth can lead to grinding while chewing which can destroy your other teeth. Uneven limbs can destabilize you in learning proper coordination and limit kinesthetic awareness which makes all physical activity more difficult.

I guess that depends on how you play your Shepard. As someone who's studied that area for six years I'll bet more readily on the person who knows more about the subject not just the guy who gets in more fights. Personally of the whole Normandy I'd bet on Jacob, he's calm and cool, knows when to step up and when to step back. That's a million times more important than someone who foolishly headbutts a 2 ton dinosaur man who's covered in calloused plates and armor. Shep's not too bright in those renegade interrupts.

Now you're arguing semantics. I think the concept of perfect has few variables and all of those would rely upon physical preferences. She's perfect in the anatomical sense. Perfect metabolism, ideal height and weight for a woman, ideal body fat percentage for the places she spends the majority of her time.

Better fighter? See above. Also, there's no way to gauge speed and strength between the two but considering Miranda has the perfect weight and muscles mass to body fat ratio and Shepard's can jump up and down I'd wager she's faster than him simply because she was tailored that way.

The way I view it is --

Miranda - Smarter, more scientifically apt, more agile, more lithe, quicker and lighter on her feet, more apt in espionage (except for maybe against an Infil. Shep), not weighed down by morals (given how you play your Shepard)

Shepard - Can handle certain weapon types with more proficiency (given class), may/may not have more experience on the battlefield (given background), is stronger in terms of raw physical strength. More conditioned to physical/psychological pain (Given class in background)

I don't think a Miranda/Shepard battle is that feasible to predict, given all the variables on Shepard's side.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 17 janvier 2012 - 10:38 .

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

android654 wrote...

Is that actually written somewhere in the codex, that upgrades were made to him in order to accept other upgrades? Either way it doesn't matter how they tweaked him. If Shepard was born with toes with irregular length, a misshapen tooth, uneven eyes, a weak liver, discolored skin, etc it diminishes his standing as a perfect person. Whether the defects are cosmetic or not it still affects that standing and not matter how you build that Shepard they will always have a little thing that is "off" about them. Miranda doesn't have any of those problems, anywhere within her person.

I'm just not seeing how they're equal or how Shepard is superior. Yes Shepard's the Hero/Heroine of the epic so naturally there is something "special" about them in their ability to get the job done.

However its kind of hard to say your equal to someone who's designed to be the perfect specimen of their species without being made perfect yourself, which Shepard isn't. Shepard flaunts his/her flaws with pride as it humanizes them and makes the narrative of fighting for humans more personal.

I don't see what toes and stuff have to do with physical prowess. That's what I was contesting.

If Shep and Miranda got in a hand to hand fight I'd bet on Shep. Frankly if Shep and anyone gets in hand to hand I'm betting on Shep. That doesn't make him better than Miranda just a better fighter.

Miranda is designed to be perfect yes. But that in itself would be something "off" to any normal human being we're all flawed so anything not flawed will be alien and stand out.

Never said Shep was superior. Just said he was a better fighter and was most likely faster and stronger.

Seeing as I only see Miranda as perfect physically saying Shep's her equal when she designed his body to me means little. Both Shep and Miranda are flawed and arguing otherwise is foolish. It just happens to be with (personality is the wrong word) mentally instead of physically with Miranda instead of the mix with every other human being.

I'm not sure if this applies...

but "Nobody's perfect". I'm not sure if her infertility is a flaw or a feature.

Speaking from a scientific stand point, there's no way to tell the long term effects of long periods in space for all we know infertility could very well be rampant amongst humans. Also I think given the right tools and time where the science is perfected, controlling reproduction from a scientific standpoint would be superior to just having it the old fashioned way. You can rule out a lot of genetic malformations this way.

I'd count it as a feature, since I think the "traditional family" structure is something that would probably be abandoned by most people at that point in the future.

I highly doubt infertility is rampant among humans, considering the population is 11.5 billion or so in-game.

[AgitatedLemon]

And I'm going to go out on a limb and say the traditional family structure is not gone in the time either.

See: Rebekah and her husband (I forget his name) and their baby.

[nelly21]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

1. That's one reason I don't like the renegade dialogue. Maybe it's just me, but I'm not going to tell the girl I'm chasing "Nya nya nya nya u jelly?", even if it's just teasing. If it wasn't scripted, it would likely be misconstrued. I doubt it's just a physical attraction (Even at the start), given the paragon versions of the dialogues. Again, maybe it's just me.

Right, you wouldn't say it to a girl you're actively chasing. But what about a girl you don't want to chase? See, my head-canon is that in the beginning, the thruthfully don't like each other. But the physical attraction is there. Shep is trying to knock her off her high horse.

I dated a girl in college that I literally disliked for a very long time (before and after). We didn't start our relationship on a date. We started after getting into an enormous argument and then, before either of us knew what the hell we were doing, we were all over each other. I think that may be why this is my favorite romance in the series. Hopefully it lasts longer for Shep than the three weeks it lasted for me.

My point is, I may be skewed by my imagination, but I think the renegade romance is like that. It's emotions that started out as dislike and morphed into something neither of them was comfortable with at first.

[Ryzaki]

Well using AL's example

Miranda - Far superior in intelligence. (I like my Shep but he can be a bit of a ****** at times), more agile (thanks to Shep having to lumber around in heavy armor and those upgrades), quicker, is willing to do anything to get the job done, better at stealth (even infiltrator Shep's pretty much a bludgeoner).

Shep - Higher weapon variety (no matter what Shep you play he/she will always have at least one more weapon than Miranda), stronger, better biotics, more charismatic, however my paragons have very strict moral outlines which will bite them in the ass, tend to be too trusting, don't tend to do things on their own needs a push from someone (Anderson in ME1, TIM in ME2)

[android654]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

android654 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

android654 wrote...

Is that actually written somewhere in the codex, that upgrades were made to him in order to accept other upgrades? Either way it doesn't matter how they tweaked him. If Shepard was born with toes with irregular length, a misshapen tooth, uneven eyes, a weak liver, discolored skin, etc it diminishes his standing as a perfect person. Whether the defects are cosmetic or not it still affects that standing and not matter how you build that Shepard they will always have a little thing that is "off" about them. Miranda doesn't have any of those problems, anywhere within her person.

I'm just not seeing how they're equal or how Shepard is superior. Yes Shepard's the Hero/Heroine of the epic so naturally there is something "special" about them in their ability to get the job done.

However its kind of hard to say your equal to someone who's designed to be the perfect specimen of their species without being made perfect yourself, which Shepard isn't. Shepard flaunts his/her flaws with pride as it humanizes them and makes the narrative of fighting for humans more personal.

I don't see what toes and stuff have to do with physical prowess. That's what I was contesting.

If Shep and Miranda got in a hand to hand fight I'd bet on Shep. Frankly if Shep and anyone gets in hand to hand I'm betting on Shep. That doesn't make him better than Miranda just a better fighter.

Miranda is designed to be perfect yes. But that in itself would be something "off" to any normal human being we're all flawed so anything not flawed will be alien and stand out.

Never said Shep was superior. Just said he was a better fighter and was most likely faster and stronger.

Seeing as I only see Miranda as perfect physically saying Shep's her equal when she designed his body to me means little. Both Shep and Miranda are flawed and arguing otherwise is foolish. It just happens to be with (personality is the wrong word) mentally instead of physically with Miranda instead of the mix with every other human being.

I'm not sure if this applies...

but "Nobody's perfect". I'm not sure if her infertility is a flaw or a feature.

Speaking from a scientific stand point, there's no way to tell the long term effects of long periods in space for all we know infertility could very well be rampant amongst humans. Also I think given the right tools and time where the science is perfected, controlling reproduction from a scientific standpoint would be superior to just having it the old fashioned way. You can rule out a lot of genetic malformations this way.

I'd count it as a feature, since I think the "traditional family" structure is something that would probably be abandoned by most people at that point in the future.

I highly doubt infertility is rampant among humans, considering the population is 11.5 billion or so in-game.

Well you have to factor in inluence from other countries once we start venturing out into space, influences from new cultures we start on colonies, influences from all of the other races. Then there are the factors of new life in space. I wouldn't be surprised if many people take reproduction like a business decision, elect the right candidate to donate sperm or eggs to have your child then raise them your self.

We've yet to see a traditional family with the exception of Oriana's step family. I can't think of other "kids" in the game that have had both parents. Miranda has just a father. There's a girl in the Thorian mission in ME1 who has just a mother. I think Shepard only gets correspondence from his Allaiance mother but not his father.

At any rate the "traditional" sense of courting is dead now and more varied relationship forms are popping up all the time, I doubt this will suddenly disappear in the future.

AgitatedLemon wrote...

And I'm going to go out on a limb and say the traditional family structure is not gone in the time either.

See: Rebekah and her husband (I forget his name) and their baby.

How do we know they're married? They're only debating on which implants to get a kid. Could be her brother, friend, boyfriend, or just a sperm donor.

Modifié par android654, 17 janvier 2012 - 10:46 .

[AgitatedLemon]

nelly21 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

1. That's one reason I don't like the renegade dialogue. Maybe it's just me, but I'm not going to tell the girl I'm chasing "Nya nya nya nya u jelly?", even if it's just teasing. If it wasn't scripted, it would likely be misconstrued. I doubt it's just a physical attraction (Even at the start), given the paragon versions of the dialogues. Again, maybe it's just me.

Right, you wouldn't say it to a girl you're actively chasing. But what about a girl you don't want to chase? See, my head-canon is that in the beginning, the thruthfully don't like each other. But the physical attraction is there. Shep is trying to knock her off her high horse.

I dated a girl in college that I literally disliked for a very long time (before and after). We didn't start our relationship on a date. We started after getting into an enormous argument and then, before either of us knew what the hell we were doing, we were all over each other. I think that may be why this is my favorite romance in the series. Hopefully it lasts longer for Shep than the three weeks it lasted for me.

My point is, I may be skewed by my imagination, but I think the renegade romance is like that. It's emotions that started out as dislike and morphed into something neither of them was comfortable with at first.

@bold Then why are you flirting with her?

Other than that, to each his own. I personally prefer the paragon romance, but that's just my taste. Feel free to your own opinion.

[AgitatedLemon]

Wait, she's talking to her brother in law, her husband passed away. I don't remember if it was disease or if someone killed him.

On the Thorian people, there are ironically 2 married couples living at Zhu's Hope, permitting if you killed them or not.

On Feros again, Lizbeth and Juliana (The mother/daughter you were talking about earlier) are just ExoGeni employees. How does their father/husband not being there at that point in time mean anything? If at all, it just points to him having a different job.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 17 janvier 2012 - 10:58 .

[Td1984]

In regards to Rebekah, that's her brother-in-law. Her husband's dead of a heart condition that's genetic and there's a good chance her baby will have the same problem. It can be corrected by a procedure while it's still in the womb. That's what the argument was about in the first place.

EDIT: 'd by Lemon.

Modifié par Td1984, 17 janvier 2012 - 10:56 .

[Dr. Doctor]

MisterJB wrote...

That's the Paragon line. The Renegade is more befitting of Miranda.
"If you think that something like that(the kiss) is going to happen again while you're doing the same thing with someone else, you’re very mistaken."

Which is completely reasonable, of course I wouldn't want to have Miranda angry at me. When that happens people tend to get shot. Or biotically launched into the air only to be skeet shooted, or Slammed.

[android654]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Wait, she's talking to her brother in law, her husband passed away. I don't remember if it was disease or if someone killed him.

On the Thorian people, there are ironically 2 married couples living at Zhu's Hope, permitting if you killed them or not.

Are there? I just slaughter them all. That's what happens when you pull a gun on Ashley and Wrex, they just shoot s**t.

Modifié par android654, 17 janvier 2012 - 10:59 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

That's the Paragon line. The Renegade is more befitting of Miranda.
"If you think that something like that(the kiss) is going to happen again while you're doing the same thing with someone else, you’re very mistaken."

Which is completely reasonable, of course I wouldn't want to have Miranda angry at me. When that happens people tend to get shot. Or biotically launched into the air only to be skeet shooted, or Slammed.

Or Warp-bombed.

Or Enyala'd.

[Td1984]

android654 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Wait, she's talking to her brother in law, her husband passed away. I don't remember if it was disease or if someone killed him.

On the Thorian people, there are ironically 2 married couples living at Zhu's Hope, permitting if you killed them or not.

Are there? I just slaughter them all. That's what happens when you pull a gun on Ashley and Wrex, they just shoot s**t.

I'll admit I've been tempted to do that before. Problem is, they have no control over what they're doing, plus I want to save the colony, so I ultimately wind up sparing as many of them as possible. Never managed to save them all though.

[AgitatedLemon]

Td1984 wrote...

android654 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Wait, she's talking to her brother in law, her husband passed away. I don't remember if it was disease or if someone killed him.

On the Thorian people, there are ironically 2 married couples living at Zhu's Hope, permitting if you killed them or not.

Are there? I just slaughter them all. That's what happens when you pull a gun on Ashley and Wrex, they just shoot s**t.

I'll admit I've been tempted to do that before. Problem is, they have no control over what they're doing, plus I want to save the colony, so I ultimately wind up sparing as many of them as possible. Never managed to save them all though.

Is sparing all of them even possible, what with the squad AI and all?

[android654]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Td1984 wrote...

android654 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Wait, she's talking to her brother in law, her husband passed away. I don't remember if it was disease or if someone killed him.

On the Thorian people, there are ironically 2 married couples living at Zhu's Hope, permitting if you killed them or not.

Are there? I just slaughter them all. That's what happens when you pull a gun on Ashley and Wrex, they just shoot s**t.

I'll admit I've been tempted to do that before. Problem is, they have no control over what they're doing, plus I want to save the colony, so I ultimately wind up sparing as many of them as possible. Never managed to save them all though.

Is sparing all of them even possible, what with the squad AI and all?

If you've got enough grenades and knockout gas upgrade for your grenades. Or enough health and balls to just run up to the terminal and hope no one stops you from decoding it. That's why I got frustrated and just told Ash and Wrex to kill everyone.

[AgitatedLemon]

Eh, too much effort.

[Skullheart]

You can tell to your party to not shot to the colonists. Are you giving them explosive ammo or what?