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[wright1978]

MisterJB wrote...

Bioware makes DLC that all fans can buy, They've got no interest in making stuff that only one fandom will buy.
Granted, LotSB was, obviously, much more enjoyable to those who like Liara but at least she was alive in all playthroughs.

I honestly think there will be a limited amount of single player dlc anyway. They'll be concentrating on churning out multi-player dross. Any there is likely won't be based around any existing characters as by the end of ME3 any of them could be dead. Think it could very well be like MOTA where they introduce a new character as the one off star likeTallis.

[jtav]

That's just it. I don't think she does beyond sex often. She's abrasive and a workaholic. Not an easy woman to date.

[AgitatedLemon]

@flemm

I see it more as a fling than anything.

Or, more appropriately, an experiment. Like... How do I put this...

Miranda and Jacob tried to have a meaningful relationship, but it just didn't work out. Jacob sees it as his failing (It very well may have been, he just doesn't match up to Miranda, no matter how you put it). I think Shepard (More along his ME3 rendition) and Miranda is a far better pairing though.

[jtav]

Not a fling. Just a relationship that didn't work.

[CrutchCricket]

lol Lemon what's your beef with Freeman? I get you're not impressed but you seem to actively dislike the character which is odd, seeing as how he's a blank. Feel free to PM me if you want to avoid further derailing.
Anyway flemm, like some of us were saying, Miranda (and Shepard) are in a whole other league from Jacob through their abilities and accomplishments. So it's not meant to be derogatory, even though the wording might seem that way and could probably be better said.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
So it's not meant to be derogatory, even though the wording might seem that way and could probably be better said.

Agreed, and understood. Just explaining why I preferred another way of looking at it.

[AgitatedLemon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

lol Lemon what's your beef with Freeman? I get you're not impressed but you seem to actively dislike the character which is odd, seeing as how he's a blank. Feel free to PM me if you want to avoid further derailing.
Anyway flemm, like some of us were saying, Miranda (and Shepard) are in a whole other league from Jacob through their abilities and accomplishments. So it's not meant to be derogatory, even though the wording might seem that way and could probably be better said.

The anti-Freeman at the last post was just a joke.

[wright1978]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

@flemm

I see it more as a fling than anything.

Or, more appropriately, an experiment. Like... How do I put this...

Miranda and Jacob tried to have a meaningful relationship, but it just didn't work out. Jacob sees it as his failing (It very well may have been, he just doesn't match up to Miranda, no matter how you put it). I think Shepard (More along his ME3 rendition) and Miranda is a far better pairing though.

I very much see it as a something much more casual on her part. I can imagine she might even have ended it because she thought he was getting too attached.

[AgitatedLemon]

wright1978 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

@flemm

I see it more as a fling than anything.

Or, more appropriately, an experiment. Like... How do I put this...

Miranda and Jacob tried to have a meaningful relationship, but it just didn't work out. Jacob sees it as his failing (It very well may have been, he just doesn't match up to Miranda, no matter how you put it). I think Shepard (More along his ME3 rendition) and Miranda is a far better pairing though.

I very much see it as a something much more casual on her part. I can imagine she might even have ended it because she thought he was getting too attached.

This is also valid.

My post and yours are the 2 main theories I place my belief behind.

[jtav]

If all that's required is saving the world, then Mario is perfectly acceptable. Shepard is brash and defaults to blowing things up. He has this terribly irritating habit of speaking from on high in the romance, and because of that, I can't imagine a worse possible match than Shepard as he is presented in ME2. ME3 will improve this, but current!Shep is...eugh.

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

If all that's required is saving the world, then Mario is perfectly acceptable. Shepard is brash and defaults to blowing things up. He has this terribly irritating habit of speaking from on high in the romance, and because of that, I can't imagine a worse possible match than Shepard as he is presented in ME2. ME3 will improve this, but current!Shep is...eugh.

If you're talking about my post a page or so back, that was a joke.

And why do you say Shepard talks to Miranda "On high". I mean, he's her CO, but he doesn't really bring the tone of authority into the romance dialogues.

[CrutchCricket]

Mario has a drug problem. Miranda wouldn't approve.

[android654]

Freeman has no feet, he's a ghost its not difficult to ascertain this. Its the weirdest thing Valve has going on with their engine. Every other FPS is more true to life since you can see your own extremities and body but not Freeman apparently. Also he's a mute and has basically no character could be just about anyone else and you wouldn't notice a difference.

As for Shepard, the paragon one and the paragrade one isn't an impressive character. He tries very hard to appeal to people and does a lot of things no rational person would do in the middle of the situations he's thrust in to. Miranda's infatuation with Shepard seems to be from his feats and less about his as a person. It hard to compare Jacob to Shepard after ME1.

Jacob: I ran Black Operation under an Alliance covert organization so secret people think its fictitious and caught the attention of this pro human spy/terrorist group where I was the head of security forces for their most clandestine operation who's central focus is preparing for all out galactic war and the preservation of the human race.

Shepard: Oh me? I'm just some skinny nerd that saved the galaxy by killing a Reaper. A F**KING REAPER. Then I came back from the dead, and I'm going to do it at least two more times.

That's the problem with having a Christlike hero everyone pales in comparison no matter how bland the character may be. At least renegade Shepard seems to have more of a personality and treats people a bit differently then the paragon one.

@jtav yeah she may be abrasive and too self-obsessed and that would definitely kill a lot of things before they even begun. But by the same token, anyone that actually gets involved with her has to be something of a big deal otherwise it wouldn't have gone that far.

Modifié par android654, 18 janvier 2012 - 05:48 .

[AgitatedLemon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Mario has a drug problem. Miranda wouldn't approve.

So does Popeye, but you don't hear anyone complaining about his steroid use.

I'm surprised Nintendo hasn't benn brought to scrutiny yet for openly endorsing drug use and animal cruelty in their games.

Wait...

edit @ android:The only paragon decisions that make little to no sense are the major, game changing ones (See Collector base). Even then, some of those really can be interpreted by morals (See Rachni queen) and can go either way.

When it comes to the normal, everyday situations (Helping the salarian on Illium for example), I'll gladly go paragon.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 18 janvier 2012 - 05:50 .

[jtav]

Look no further than the promise scene. She's worried, nearly crying, but Shepard can't be worried and can't admit he's terrified of losing her. The mask never falls, even with the LI, as it did in ME1. And if the mask never falls, how am I the player to know that it's a mask?

Pardon, I just finished the romance.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Look no further than the promise scene. She's worried, nearly crying, but Shepard can't be worried and can't admit he's terrified of losing her. The mask never falls, even with the LI, as it did in ME1. And if the mask never falls, how am I the player to know that it's a mask?

Pardon, I just finished the romance.

Well, I think you are identifying the main problem with how the romance is acted and written in ME2: I should have dialog options that I do not have, and Meer's performance sucks, thereby creating a disconnect with Strahovski's excellent job of selling Miranda's side of it.

So, I agree on that point.

Modifié par flemm, 18 janvier 2012 - 05:52 .

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

Look no further than the promise scene. She's worried, nearly crying, but Shepard can't be worried and can't admit he's terrified of losing her. The mask never falls, even with the LI, as it did in ME1. And if the mask never falls, how am I the player to know that it's a mask?

Pardon, I just finished the romance.

Given the dialogue choices, I can understand where Shepard is coming from.

"I don't plan on it" is him wanting to keep his and her morale up by assuring her that he will survive. She will not lose him. He is giving her something to look forward to.

"No promises" IS Shepard opening up more. "So if it isn't worth it..." is pretty ballsy.

Going off of Miranda's prior dialogue, Shepard doesn't need to tell her that he's afraid he might lose her, she already knows.

edit: I'm not going off the way Shepard and Meer actually verbalize it. That's atrocious. I'm more or less following the tone and message of the paraphrase.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 18 janvier 2012 - 05:54 .

[CrutchCricket]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
So does Popeye, but you don't hear anyone complaining about his steroid use.

To each his own, I'm just saying you wouldn't want to date the guy. It's rather suspicious how many times Olive gets "kidnapped". Same thing with whatever princess of the day Mario keeps rescuing.

[android654]

Which is why I think Jack, Miranda, and Thane should've been s/s as well since Hale is the better of the two. But there's a real problem with the dialogue options in the paragon path anyway. The dialogue seems unnatural in a lot of places.

[MisterJB]

android654 wrote...
Miranda's infatuation with Shepard seems to be from his feats and less about his as a person.

Shepard had already performed amazing feats at the beginning on ME2 and we all know that Miranda did not care for him, in the slightest. Obviously, it took knowying him as a person for her to become infatuated with him.

[wright1978]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

Look no further than the promise scene. She's worried, nearly crying, but Shepard can't be worried and can't admit he's terrified of losing her. The mask never falls, even with the LI, as it did in ME1. And if the mask never falls, how am I the player to know that it's a mask?

Pardon, I just finished the romance.

Well, I think you are identifying the main problem with how the romance is acted and written in ME2: I should have dialog options that I do not have, and Meer's performance sucks, thereby creating a disconnect with Strahovski's excellent job of selling Miranda's side of it.

So, I agree on that point.

Personally i've never had a problem with the scene. I don't mind Shep acting as the rock to calm her fears.
Agree with Flemm they should maybe have had more options so those that wanted Shep to be more emotional could.

[android654]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

jtav wrote...

Look no further than the promise scene. She's worried, nearly crying, but Shepard can't be worried and can't admit he's terrified of losing her. The mask never falls, even with the LI, as it did in ME1. And if the mask never falls, how am I the player to know that it's a mask?

Pardon, I just finished the romance.

Given the dialogue choices, I can understand where Shepard is coming from.

"I don't plan on it" is him wanting to keep his and her morale up by assuring her that he will survive. She will not lose him. He is giving her something to look forward to.

"No promises" IS Shepard opening up more. "So if it isn't worth it..." is pretty ballsy.

Going off of Miranda's prior dialogue, Shepard doesn't need to tell her that he's afraid he might lose her, she already knows.

edit: I'm not going off the way Shepard and Meer actually verbalize it. That's atrocious. I'm more or less following the tone and message of the paraphrase.

Yeah, but its a scene where she's being very emotional and his response is "hey buddy don't look so glum, cheer up." Its like he has no idea how to communicate with people let alone someone who's crying over is possible death.

[android654]

MisterJB wrote...

android654 wrote...
Miranda's infatuation with Shepard seems to be from his feats and less about his as a person.

Shepard had already performed amazing feats at the beginning on ME2 and we all know that Miranda did not care for him, in the slightest. Obviously, it took knowying him as a person for her to become infatuated with him.

The first "opening up" line is about how well he's doing and how she was wrong about his cabailities. The line about people following him is another testament to what he pulls off in the battlefield and not about him as a person.

[MisterJB]

Tried to capture Miranda's anxiousness before her flirtation. I think there might be better screenshots but I can't catch that millisecond where she has her eys sligthly open.

[jtav]

But he's never not the rock. He never needs her to reassure him, One scene where she has to be there for him, that's all I'm asking. As is, it's a dealbreaker. Meer's performance is very bad here.