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[AgitatedLemon]

Skip to around 2:00.

Letting him live seems to definitely be the more cruel option.

And then Shepard talks and tries to play it off as the nice option, but no, Shepard is a sadist, he's hiding the bullsh*t behind a smile.

[parthian]

Lol..I thought I was the only one who has an unhealthy obsession with Miri.

I don't see anything wrong with trolling merchants as a paragade. It's an innocuous way to boost your renegade score.

Agitated Lemon, did you let her kill Niket?

[AgitatedLemon]

I have never let her kill Niket.

He dies either way, and I figure Miranda doesn't need his blood on her conscience.

[Dr. Doctor]

I usually let Miranda kill Niket, mostly because I don't like the Paragon interupt and Miranda's one-liner after she shoots him is awesome:

"I'll miss you Niket...(shoots)...Figuratively speaking."

[jtav]

I think I'm going to add Oleg Petrovsky being Miranda's mentor to my headcanon, Who's with me?

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Survivor's guilt? Huh. Never talked to him long enough to find out. Don't really care to. His betrayal needs to be dealt with and it is, via headshot. Good enough for Garrus, good enough for me.

A straightforward attitude. Most of my Shepards share it. Just as a bullet to Niket's head is ok for Miranda, and I see no need to interfere.

[CrutchCricket]

Bah. Typical "feel-good" crap, especially with the whole "I can't do it" line. Bullsh!t, he could do just fine if you just move the hell out of the way. Hate the presentation of it especially as it goes on.
I don't know if I buy Sidonis's lines either. Could be a ruse to save his own skin. Ultimately it doesn't matter. My Shepard isn't about second chances or sadism. He'll go through hell for you but you **** with him you die. Garrus wants to follow in his footsteps, he's more then welcome to. But this is what it takes. Come to think of it that was my reasoning for sacrificing the refinery in Zaeed's mission. I'm only considering reversing that decision because Zaeed hasn't earned Shepard's loyalty the way Garrus has (and he's not likely to either).

Thanks for the link though Lemon. Saved me the trouble of having to go through that in my playthrough.

Edit: With Niket it's slightly different as my Shep feels Miranda is too emotionally involved and driven at that point. She hasn't had the time to temper her vengeance the way Garrus has. I remember talking about this a few pages ago.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 19 janvier 2012 - 05:23 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I think I'm going to add Oleg Petrovsky being Miranda's mentor to my headcanon, Who's with me?

I'm with you. Petrovsky is impressive. Badass and responsible. 

[Ryzaki]

My only Shep that let Garrus kills Sidonis had the conversation go up to the "No more sleepless nights for either of us." bit.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 janvier 2012 - 05:24 .

[CrutchCricket]

Don't know who Petrovsky is and if it's in any was ME3 spoilerish I don't want to know. But I may have seen a picture. If it's the one I'm thinking of I could be on board.

[MisterJB]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I think I'm going to add Oleg Petrovsky being Miranda's mentor to my headcanon, Who's with me?

I'm with you. Petrovsky is impressive. Badass and responsible. 

I approve. Petrovsky will not send his men to die needlessly but if he is forced to, he will tear Omega down, level by level.

[mereck7980]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I think I'm going to add Oleg Petrovsky being Miranda's mentor to my headcanon, Who's with me?

I'm with you. Petrovsky is impressive. Badass and responsible. 

He is an interesting character, but given his reaction to finding out TIM has manipulated the adjuants crisis to try and take Omega from Aria does he seem a little too naive to be Miri's mentor?  

[MisterJB]

mereck7980 wrote...
He is an interesting character, but given his reaction to finding out TIM has manipulated the adjuants crisis to try and take Omega from Aria does he seem a little too naive to be Miri's mentor?  

His reaction mirrors Miranda's in the Collector Cruiser once Harper's betrayal is revealed.

"Miranda: The Illusive Man wouldn't do this to us. He...he just wouldn't."

"Petrovsky: You'd never endager so many of our people just for the sake of a diversion..."

Modifié par MisterJB, 19 janvier 2012 - 05:36 .

[mereck7980]

MisterJB wrote...

mereck7980 wrote...
He is an interesting character, but given his reaction to finding out TIM has manipulated the adjuants crisis to try and take Omega from Aria does he seem a little too naive to be Miri's mentor?  

His reaction mirrors Miranda's in the Collector Cruiser once Harper's betrayal is revealed.

"Miranda: The Illusive Man wouldn't do this to us. He...he just wouldn't."

"Petrovsky: You'd never endager so many of our people just for the sake of a diversion..."

That's true.  Maybe he would be a decent mentor for Miri after all.  That is one problem I have always had with the way Miranda's character was portrayed.  She seems far too intelligent to not be aware of TIM's willingess to sacrafice anything and everything to achieve his goals.  

[Ieldra]

I've always seen the Paragon reaction to TIM's misinformation about the Collector Ship as overblown. It would only be a betrayal if TIM wanted Shepard to fall into the Collectors' hands. And he didn't want that, he wanted the Collectors' technology. So it was deliberate tactical misinformation, nothing more. It may be annoying, but I cannot see any reason to get that upset about it.

[CrutchCricket]

I'm no military expert but "deliberate tactical misinformation" could get soldiers in the field dead real quick. In this case a lesser squad might very well have perished/been captured. As a field man Shepard doesn't go for this "armchair tactician" crap. Thus the reaction is warranted. That's not to say he didn't see the benefits. Recall the line is "you could've warned me" or something similar. He saw value in the strategy but the way it was carried out put him and his team at risk unnecessarily.

[mereck7980]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I've always seen the Paragon reaction to TIM's misinformation about the Collector Ship as overblown. It would only be a betrayal if TIM wanted Shepard to fall into the Collectors' hands. And he didn't want that, he wanted the Collectors' technology. So it was deliberate tactical misinformation, nothing more. It may be annoying, but I cannot see any reason to get that upset about it.

That's just it, given what we know about Miranda's character don't you think she would have realized what TIM was trying to do and tried to correct Shepard's assumption?  You are right in that it shouldn't be overemphasized, but it always bugged me a bit.  

Modifié par mereck7980, 19 janvier 2012 - 05:55 .

[MisterJB]

It was an unnecessary risk and shows lack of care for the people under his command. Betrayal or not, it proves that the first rule of survival in Cerberus is "Don't trust Jack Harper."

The situation in "Invasion" is very similar. Harper sacrificed entire groups of scientists just to make his diversion seem more convincing.

[AgitatedLemon]

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I know I already posted this one, but... Just look at it. How can you say it's NOT impressive? I like the look of genuine bliss on Miranda's face.

@Ieldra, you're making it sound like TIM isn't taking unnecessary risks with Shepard and co.

He is. 

Taking a tactical risk is one thing, but if anyone made the tiniest slip-up, Shepard and crew would all be dead.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 19 janvier 2012 - 05:57 .

[MisterJB]

mereck7980 wrote...
That's just it, given what we know about Miranda's character don't you think she would have realized what TIM was trying to do and tried to correct Shepard's assumption?  You are right in that it is a relatively small scene, but it always bugged me a bit.  

I believe Miranda trusted Jack Harper. Remember what she says in her first conversation?

"Whatever else people might say about him, I can assure you he's got humanity's best interests at heart. That includes you and me."

No, it really doesn't.

[Dr. Doctor]

I think that the outrage comes from the fact that TIM is willing to sacrifice the SR2 crew and Petrovsky's men on a mission that isn't essential to Cerberus' plans. Miranda and Petrovsy might have a ruthless side, but they don't believe in needlessly sacrificing the lives of those under their command.

[Ieldra]

Except that on the Collector Ship nobody was supposed to be sacrificed. Remember, they needed the team for the SM and TIM's main goal was always getting his hands on more Reaper tech, which couldn't have been achieved by capturing the ship. I think this is really bad writing with characters getting upset in an out-of-character way. Assuming TIM wasn't selling Shepard out - which would make no sense at that point - Miranda wouldn't react the way she did.

This whole scene appears as if it was added for the sake of drama without sufficient grounding in actual plot. That's why I always choose the middle option here, and then Miranda doesn't have anything to say. BTW, not the only time Miranda becomes OOC when you choose the Paragon option....

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 janvier 2012 - 06:00 .

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
The situation in "Invasion" is very similar. Harper sacrificed entire groups of scientists just to make his diversion seem more convincing.

Which may be a valid strategy (speaking in general, I don't know the particulars of Invasion). Just don't expect the field guys and the tactician to get along after this.

On the lighter side:
"Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them, until they reached their limit and shut down."

[AgitatedLemon]

MisterJB wrote...

mereck7980 wrote...
That's just it, given what we know about Miranda's character don't you think she would have realized what TIM was trying to do and tried to correct Shepard's assumption?  You are right in that it is a relatively small scene, but it always bugged me a bit.  

I believe Miranda trusted Jack Harper. Remember what she says in her first conversation?

"Whatever else people might say about him, I can assure you he's got humanity's best interests at heart. That includes you and me."

No, it really doesn't.

This.

She did trust TIM, especially earlier on, as she really had no reason NOT to.

And then he went on and risked their lives a bunch of times...

[Ieldra]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
She did trust TIM, especially earlier on, as she really had no reason NOT to.

And then he went on and risked their lives a bunch of times...

What's unusual about that? The whole mission in ME2 is one instance of risking their lives after another. It is what they do, what they're there for. You'd need to prove it was done needlessly for any sort of outrage to be justified. And for that you had to access TIM's intelligence.

The reaction makes no sense at all if you go Paragon. A cheap excuse for Paragons to get annoyed with TIM, totally contrived.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 janvier 2012 - 06:03 .