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[Skirata129]

even in my pure renegade playthroughs I let them talk. I just really didn't see any problem with it and it's not like it affected galactic security or anything.

[enayasoul]

Td1984 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

jtav wrote...

Ieldra, Oriana is the proverbial gun on the mantelpiece. If she (specifically the fact that her safety is dependent on Miranda being in Cerberus' good graces) isn't used in ME3, I'll be annoyed because they set up that thread and didn't follow through with it.

I happen to agree with this.  Miranda, Oriana, her father and dealing with Cerberus are all connected in various ways.  I want to know about all of them. How they are dealt with.   6-12 months Miranda could have brought Oriana to a safe place we just don't know what happened in that time frame yet.

I do believe that Miri can easily take care of Oriana in-between games. Due to the 6-12 month break, we know the Reapers are starting on the south end of the galaxy. So, Miranda swoops in, grabs Oriana and her adoptive family and moves them to a planet in the far north end of the galaxy. That way, either the Reapers will be stopped before their (Oriana & her family)  new home is endangered, or we'll all be dead because we lost and it will no longer matter anyway. 

Yeah, that's what I've been thinking of too... from exploring the me2 galaxy map... doesn't seem to be much available that far north...  the human worlds like bekestein, elysium and so forth seem to be down near earth...

I wonder where they are going to have Thessia and the Salarian homeworld or even Turians?  Guess will have to wait and find out.

[Ieldra]

I wonder what Miranda would think about the Rachni queen. Currently playing another ME1 Shepard - I just can't kill her. As soon as I do, I lose all motivation to continue with this Shepard.

[enayasoul]

In one I took Ashley's suggestion and killed the rachni queen. where as Liara in the same party wants me to save the queen. I have separate yes for ashley's request and yes for Liara's request. guess will find out how that all works out in me3

[MisterJB]

I think Miranda would take the risk. That Queen is not to blame for the actions of its ancestors, by killing it you're effectively commiting genocide and she seems to approve of Cerberus not experimenting on the Rachni once they dicovered their sentiency.

Modifié par MisterJB, 27 juin 2011 - 09:33 .

[Vertigo_1]

This seems relevant:

http://twitter.com/#...461727394791424

"The VO cast in #ME3 will be announced at a later time. We'll let you know when."

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 27 juin 2011 - 09:41 .

[Td1984]

enayasoul wrote...

In one I took Ashley's suggestion and killed the rachni queen. where as Liara in the same party wants me to save the queen. I have separate yes for ashley's request and yes for Liara's request. guess will find out how that all works out in me3

That's what I ended up doing. I saved her in one version, killed her in another. However, I have yet to continue the one where she's dead. I feel so bad about it, even though I planned from the beginning to kill her.

[TomY90]

MisterJB wrote...

I think Miranda would take the risk. That Queen is not to blame for the actions of its ancestors, by killing it you're effectively commiting genocide and she seems to approve of Cerberus not experimenting on the Rachni once they dicovered their sentiency.

I do agree I think as well she will explore anything really so as long as it does not involve intelligent live and in some way helps reduce potential loss of life of innocent people (she mentioned the Citadel Geth Invasion would have been less costly if had just a squad of shock troopers.

[enayasoul]

does that conversation only come up with shepard background. I just watched and added it to my fraps video collection. Wow... that was a good scene.

I went back and checked my safe for when they talk about cerberus and the admire/kiss... option.

The option to talk about "the monsters" was never an option.  My male shep is colonist/ruthless... and I think this import, I killed the queen.   I think it's shep/background dependent....

Modifié par enayasoul, 28 juin 2011 - 01:33 .

[Vertigo_1]

TomY90 wrote...

I do agree I think as well she will explore anything really so as long as it does not involve intelligent live and in some way helps reduce potential loss of life of innocent people (she mentioned the Citadel Geth Invasion would have been less costly if had just a squad of shock troopers.

Eden Prime, but yeah the point stands; though she mentions it was a mistake using the Rachni, just like that recording in ME1 sidequest where Shepard boarded a ship filled with Rachni, says.

[TomY90]

enayasoul wrote...

does that conversation only come up with shepard background. I just watched and added it to my fraps video collection. Wow... that was a good scene.

if your on about the whole thing with the rachni it comes up in the dialogue 4 regardless of shepards background(2nd piece of dialogue after loyalty mission if you include conversation afterwards).

you follow this order on the conversation to get her opinion on this sort of things

Shepard - Can We Talk?
Miranda - Apologises
Shepard - Cerberus is wrong
Miranda - You crossed some lines when hunting Saren and cerberus would be happy to have you
Shepard - I saw your monsters
Miranda - we had good reason to do so
Shepard - What about Jack? (OPTIONAL FOR WHAT YOU WANT)
Miranda - A mistake
Go for what you want romance wise

[LuxDragon]

About the engine room scene, I'm going to put a poll in my profile page at ff.net. Does anyone want it there? I remember that it was a hot topic a while ago.

[Arijharn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@jtav, Rawke, enyasoul:
My problem is that (a) I don't want another "Rescue Oriana" scenario, and ( that a personal connection as major plot hook cheapens the main plot connection. For instance, if her main motivation to take out Cerberus is to make Oriana safe, what does that say of Miranda's grasp of the big picture? If it's just an additional motivation, it's essentially superfluous.

I'm not against her appearing again if they do something interesting with her. Make her more of an actor in her own right instead of just Miranda's morality pet, make her complicate a mission because of her actions, even let her take a level in badass. Just not as a figure in the background who's good for nothing more than being the victim and to put pressure on Miranda. As obvious as such a development would be: we had that.

I don't think it's as 'simple' as that imo. I don't think you can afford to look at either point as if they're in a vacuum, and I don't see how making it 'additional motivation' makes it superfluous. The galaxy is on the precipice, Reapers are threatening everything, yet I can not imagine a simple 'throwaway line' as being quite the the same level of the sort of 'emotional impact' I would imagine BioWare is trying to do for ME3. Case in point? That boy you can apparently attempt to rescue when you leave Earth doesn't seem to go the way you'd want it to, it's an 'attack' specifically aimed at your gut.

I don't necessarily want Oriana to have pride and centre in Miranda's new 'LM' where Miranda talks about her non-stop, like she was in 2, but I do want Oriana's safety and wellbeing to be essential to Miranda, and to be covered by perhaps a 'paragraph of dialogue', because I can't imagine a realistic scenario in which that wouldn't be the case, considering how much Miranda has sacrificed to 'free her.'

I also want Mr. X involved in someway, but of course I'm biased and want my version of events to be in it in some way (since it's been [i[foreshadowed[/i] almost as much as Dark Energy imo).

I think a good plot point would be Miranda trying to influence things to guarantee Oriana's safety, but coming to the realisation that this may not be possible due to the current hostile climate, and afterwards learning that perhaps Oriana is capable of taking care of herself and that she isn't a child anymore (nor was she at all since Shephard has known her)

[Arijharn]

LuxDragon wrote...

About the engine room scene, I'm going to put a poll in my profile page at ff.net. Does anyone want it there? I remember that it was a hot topic a while ago.

Not necessarily the engine room scene since you've already had them go like rabbits, but it should definitely be something there but not necessarily sex, because I thought it was kinda bizarre for them to be in a lovers clinche when the rest of their crew gets abducted probably only a couple of hours before!

Honestly, I think the next time they get together should be post SM, maybe just before Shadow Broker if you decide to do that one as part of the storyline (although I think you said you've got it planned for 9 more chapters?).

And for what it's worth? please make the scene as risque as Elyvern's!

[Vertigo_1]

LuxDragon wrote...

About the engine room scene, I'm going to put a poll in my profile page at ff.net. Does anyone want it there? I remember that it was a hot topic a while ago.

Perhaps you could forgo the engine room scene for the rejection scene in ME2?  It's not a rejection per se but more of a postponement till after the mission is done.

Although the engine room scene is unique to other romances...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 28 juin 2011 - 02:34 .

[naledgeborn]

I have a question, is it possible to get the Paramour Achievement on Xbox without the engine room scene?

[Vertigo_1]

http://twitter.com/#...550839036522496

"Wrapping up first pass writing on the relationships. Started the table-read sessions today with the most intricate scene we've ever created."

All I think when I see this is how Miranda's went...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 28 juin 2011 - 04:45 .

[LuxDragon]

Arijharn wrote...

LuxDragon wrote...

About the engine room scene, I'm going to put a poll in my profile page at ff.net. Does anyone want it there? I remember that it was a hot topic a while ago.

Not necessarily the engine room scene since you've already had them go like rabbits, but it should definitely be something there but not necessarily sex, because I thought it was kinda bizarre for them to be in a lovers clinche when the rest of their crew gets abducted probably only a couple of hours before!

Honestly, I think the next time they get together should be post SM, maybe just before Shadow Broker if you decide to do that one as part of the storyline (although I think you said you've got it planned for 9 more chapters?).

And for what it's worth? please make the scene as risque as Elyvern's!

I think it's less about the crew being abducted and more like 'last chance' kinda sex. If not now, then never cause who knows what would happen?

(Besides me)

[Estelindis]

If I may pop my head in here to offer some input on the Oriana issue, I always felt it was a bit strange how Miranda can totally turn against TIM during the suicide mission without any apparent thought for her sister. Personally, I'd like it to turn out that she secretly arranged for Oriana's family to be moved out of Cerberus influence before the suicide mission (as if she was already having doubts). Otherwise, there might come a time in ME3 where she has to choose between Oriana's life and a larger strategic goal in the fight against the Reapers - choose, and live with that choice ever after (unless she ends up giving her life to save her sister, but given her abilities and power to affect the war, even this self-sacrifice might be detrimental to the war).

[goofyomnivore]

naledgeborn wrote...

I have a question, is it possible to get the Paramour Achievement on Xbox without the engine room scene?

No it doesn't give you the achievement, but you are still "romantically involved". For example, you can still invite her up to your cabin.

Also this thread grows fast, three days away from it and it grew like 35 pages lol.

Modifié par strive, 28 juin 2011 - 04:24 .

[goofyomnivore]

I'm against the engine room personally. I understand the context and why she went there, but it just doesn't sit well with me. I can't put my finger on it, maybe it is the dialogue or the dry humping, I don't know.

[Rawke]

strive wrote...

I'm against the engine room personally. I understand the context and why she went there, but it just doesn't sit well with me. I can't put my finger on it, maybe it is the dialogue or the dry humping, I don't know.

BioWare really screwed up with the sex scenes in ME2. They did do it quite nicely without making nerd porn in ME, but in ME2...meh. Maybe it's because of all the alien love. And as sad as it is to say, of all the "romance culmination" scenes the one with Miranda looked the most believable. She and Jacob are the only ones (IIRC) that actually kind of undress. Jack doesn't count, she technically is alread topless (acutally, she's probably as topless as you can be in a normal video game never mind, just remembered Witcher 2:ph34r:).

Modifié par Rawke, 28 juin 2011 - 05:01 .

[Toshir]

Miranda is so much better than Ashley. Ashley was incredibly bland but she'll likely take Miranda's spot. Le sigh.

[Caihn]

TomY90 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

does that conversation only come up with shepard background. I just watched and added it to my fraps video collection. Wow... that was a good scene.

if your on about the whole thing with the rachni it comes up in the dialogue 4 regardless of shepards background(2nd piece of dialogue after loyalty mission if you include conversation afterwards).

you follow this order on the conversation to get her opinion on this sort of things

Shepard - Can We Talk?
Miranda - Apologises
Shepard - Cerberus is wrong
Miranda - You crossed some lines when hunting Saren and cerberus would be happy to have you
Shepard - I saw your monsters
Miranda - we had good reason to do so
Shepard - What about Jack? (OPTIONAL FOR WHAT YOU WANT)
Miranda - A mistake
Go for what you want romance wise

Note that you won't have the possibility to say : "I saw your monsters" if you don't import a ME1 game.

[Ieldra]

Arijharn wrote...
I think a good plot point would be Miranda trying to influence things to guarantee Oriana's safety, but coming to the realisation that this may not be possible due to the current hostile climate, and afterwards learning that perhaps Oriana is capable of taking care of herself and that she isn't a child anymore (nor was she at all since Shephard has known her)

This sounds like it could work without compromising anything else.