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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

^ Nope! I was there too. If jack were to have laid a finger on Miri, I would have grabbed jack with MY Biotics, crush her bones til she can no longer move, then "smear" the wall with HER! 

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 19 janvier 2012 - 10:28 .

[android654]

A strong biotic v.s, Biotic God. I wonder who would win that one...

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Or a bullet through the skin, then through the tissue, the skull, the brain, then out the other end.

[android654]

Umm a biotic's barrier is always on. You fire one bullet then she slams you through the ceiling. Try again.

Modifié par android654, 19 janvier 2012 - 10:31 .

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

A strong biotic v.s, Biotic God. I wonder who would win that one...

Biotic god is on Illium.

I don't see your point.

All Jack actually has going for her are the biotics, and even then, her biotics (While strong) are very erratic. Miranda (And Shepard) have FAR superior weapons training.

If Jack so much as attempted to hurt Miranda, Miranda would react and Shepard would pull his pistol.

Hell, Sentinel Shepard like mine, would just warp bomb Jack and then Heavy Throw her out the airlock.

Good thing Jack is useful, even if it's only during 1 part of the game -- the final hallway in the Collector ship -- otherwise I wouldn't bother interacting with her.

@ your edit:

Miranda has Warp.

My Sentinel Shepard has Warp. Both of our Warp's are evolved into Heavy. Jack doesn't stand a chance.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 19 janvier 2012 - 10:36 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Boss fight, I win, she get's thrown outside, where she'll try to come back in.....OH waaiit, that's right. The chances of coming back out of a vacuum in jack's situation are slim to none, cuz it's space, no air, no sound to hear yourself scream, just silence, and the slow pain. I'll immediately take the Normandy out of that region....

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 19 janvier 2012 - 10:34 .

[MisterJB]

android654 wrote...

A strong biotic v.s, Biotic God. I wonder who would win that one...

Jack is no Biotic God. She might be one of the most powerful human biotic but her power is erratic. She can't even do singularities. In that small office, she would be more likely to tear a hole in the hull and kill everyone aboard.
Besides, a fight is not determined by who is the more powerful biotic. Otherwise, Benezia would be alive and Shepard dead. Miranda is the more versatile fighter, she has biotics, tech skills and is very good with a gun. If she survives Jack's first, most violent attack, she has a chance of winning.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Hehehe "Biotic god"

[AgitatedLemon]

MisterJB wrote...

android654 wrote...

A strong biotic v.s, Biotic God. I wonder who would win that one...

Jack is no Biotic God. She might be one of the most powerful human biotic but her power is erratic. She can't even do singularities. In that small office, she would be more likely to tear a hole in the hull and kill everyone aboard.
Besides, a fight is not determined by who is the more powerful biotic. Otherwise, Benezia would be alive and Shepard dead. Miranda is the more versatile fighter, she has biotics, tech skills and is very good with a gun. If she survives Jack's first, most violent attack, she has a chance of winning.

And this.

If we were to pair up who the strongest biotic is, then it would tie between Benezia/Samara, then Jack.

[ThomGau]

I'm glad Shepard interrupted their catfight .

Jack has definitely the biotics advantage but Miranda has some trick up her sleeve lol .

Anyway, that wouldn't have been very smart to fight in a frigate . Both were probably aware of it .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Lets just say that NO ONE touches Miri, in a harmful way, and gets away with it. Their brains and corpse will be on the floor before they can move their hand to strike. Jack is no exception....

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 19 janvier 2012 - 10:38 .

[android654]

Guys, guys, guys. Its cut-scene Jack. Her biotics are unmatched in that arena. She's the strongest human bitoic so clearly stronger than Miranda in that arena, and they're on the ship, do you know how dangerous it is to fire a gun on a plane? Imagine in space.

There's been nothing to show that benezia or samara are stronger than Jack. They do go out of their way to talk about how unbelievably strong Jack's biotic's are.

Modifié par android654, 19 janvier 2012 - 10:39 .

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
Miranda is the more versatile fighter, she has biotics, tech skills and is very good with a gun. If she survives Jack's first, most violent attack, she has a chance of winning.

Well, also, Miranda is no slouch in the biotics department, and she probably has more precision/control. Beyond that, she is extremely un-stupid, yet doesn't seem to be bothered in the slightest by the idea of fighting Jack. So... 50/50? I think this fight is actually tough to call, though Jack has one of the best "power" intros of anyone. The single best, actually, I think.

Modifié par flemm, 19 janvier 2012 - 10:39 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

More like the most unstable human biotic, where as Miri is stable, along with being more Intelligent than jack.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 19 janvier 2012 - 10:39 .

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

Guys, guys, guys. Its cut-scene Jack. Her biotics are unmatched in that arena. She's the strongest human bitoic so clearly stronger than Miranda in that arena, and they're on the ship, do you know how dangerous it is to fire a gun on a plane? Imagine in space.

Semantics. Cut scene or not, Jack wouldn't win. At most she'd be able to pin Miranda or Shepard against a wall before the other pulls a weapon and shoots her square in the head and smears HER on the walls, and that's assuming she doesn't accidentally blow herself up.

Miranda and Shepard (Both of which are very skilled with weapons, and my Sentinel Shep is a biotic and tech person) versus Jack, Miranda and Shepard win.

For being the most powerful human biotic, Jack can't even produce a singularity, which lowly Adept Shepard can.

Jack is a glass cannon, and a loose one at that. She has the raw power, but almost no discipline, unlike Samara, or any other biotic encountered.

@your edit

There's always Casey Hudson. Even he admits that Jack, while stupidly powerful, isn't as disciplined as other biotics. She's just as likely to blow herself and the Normandy up as she is to make a shockwave.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 19 janvier 2012 - 10:44 .

[ThomGau]

Well if you think about it . Miranda manages to stand up to *Mr Spoiler*, so 50/50 for Miranda VS Jack if that catfight would have occured .

[android654]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

More like the most unstable human biotic, where as Miri is stable, along with being more Intelligent than jack.

Formally educated? no question. More intelligent, that depends on interpretation of the term. Smarter in a fight, clearly not. Miranda can spend hours upon hours training how to fight, but it doesn't compensate for real world experience and I doubt anyone would question Jack's ability to kill people.

[MisterJB]

android654 wrote...

Guys, guys, guys. Its cut-scene Jack. Her biotics are unmatched in that arena. She's the strongest human bitoic so clearly stronger than Miranda in that arena, and they're on the ship, do you know how dangerous it is to fire a gun on a plane? Imagine in space.

Do you know how dangerous it is to have Jack using her biotics on a ship? Definitively more dangerous than firing a gun. Remember Purgatory?
Not to mention that the Cerberus crew was able to shoot just fine on the Normandy when Collectors attacked, even using Rocket Launchers. It's probrably somewhat more advanced than a plane.

There's been nothing to show that benezia or samara are stronger than Jack. They do go out of their way to talk about how unbelievably strong Jack's biotic's are.

Strongest human biotic is not saying much when compared to an experient Matriarch who has been practising her biotics for a thousand years.
I'd go so far as to claim Gillian is more impressive. Creating a Singularity at such a young age and without even knowying how.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

jack is feeble compared to Miri.......my opinion......end of story

[android654]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

android654 wrote...

Guys, guys, guys. Its cut-scene Jack. Her biotics are unmatched in that arena. She's the strongest human bitoic so clearly stronger than Miranda in that arena, and they're on the ship, do you know how dangerous it is to fire a gun on a plane? Imagine in space.

Semantics. Cut scene or not, Jack wouldn't win. At most she'd be able to pin Miranda or Shepard against a wall before the other pulls a weapon and shoots her square in the head and smears HER on the walls, and that's assuming she doesn't accidentally blow herself up.

Miranda and Shepard (Both of which are very skilled with weapons, and my Sentinel Shep is a biotic and tech person) versus Jack, Miranda and Shepard win.

For being the most powerful human biotic, Jack can't even produce a singularity, which lowly Adept Shepard can.

Jack is a glass cannon, and a loose one at that. She has the raw power, but almost no discipline, unlike Samara, or any other biotic encountered.

@your edit

There's always Casey Hudson. Even he admits that Jack, while stupidly powerful, isn't as disciplined as other biotics. She's just as likely to blow herself and the Normandy up as she is to make a shockwave.

I originally said if Shepard was 5 seconds later, she'd be dead, implying Jack V Miranda alone. The fact that you have to pin both Shepard (the space messiah who never dies) and Miranda to stop one woman, kindof proves my point.

[flemm]

Meh, this is starting to remind me of Comic Board battles about which character would beat which. You could write it either way, and you can make an argument either way.

To me, most plausible is: if Miranda is quicker to the punch, or if she can survive Jack's initial onslaught, she should win. But Jack might get the better of her with a burst at the beginning.

Modifié par flemm, 19 janvier 2012 - 10:50 .

[MisterJB]

android654 wrote...
Formally educated? no question. More intelligent, that depends on interpretation of the term.

Right, the so called "street smarts" some people have. We've dismissed that claim.

Smarter in a fight, clearly not. Miranda can spend hours upon hours training how to fight, but it doesn't compensate for real world experience and I doubt anyone would question Jack's ability to kill people.

Are you questioning Miranda's real world experience? Her argument on why she should be the one leading the Fire Team is because she is the most experienced person on the team. She's been with Cerberus for 20 years.

[CrutchCricket]

android654 wrote...
There's been nothing to show that benezia or samara are stronger than Jack. They do go out of their way to talk about how unbelievably strong Jack's biotic's are.

Except they're both asari, natural biotics with no need for amps and are both around 1000 years old.

Jack is the strongest human biotic. But she only ranks as average among asari.

Never mind that strength, raw strength alone isn't always enough to win a fight. Just some cautionary tips.

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

More like the most unstable human biotic, where as Miri is stable, along with being more Intelligent than jack.

Formally educated? no question. More intelligent, that depends on interpretation of the term. Smarter in a fight, clearly not. Miranda can spend hours upon hours training how to fight, but it doesn't compensate for real world experience and I doubt anyone would question Jack's ability to kill people.

As far as we know, Jack has very little formal education (If any at all), since she was kidnapped at "A very young age".

Miranda is one of the most intelligent people in the galaxy (And easily one of, if not the most intelligent human), is physically stronger than most beings, and is far more durable than most people.

Bringing Jack's ability to kill people is meaningless. Everyone aboard the Normandy kills people in different ways.

Jack prefers biotics.
Thane prefers to ambush and asassinate them.
Garrus seems to prefer sniper rifles.
Grunt rushes headfirst into battle.
Mordin will use his tech or his firearms.
Samara uses firearms or her biotics (And even hand to hand, as seen in her cutscenes)

And so on.

Are you insinuating that Jack has more "real world" experience than Miranda does? Ignoring the fact that Miranda is almost 12 years older than Jack, you forget that she's a member of Cerberus, is a biotic, and is "Perfect". We know nothing about Jack, other than that she was kidnapped and experimented on, and has a tendency to be manipulated and double crossed (As seen in her various conversations). If anything, that tells us that Jack is stupid.

Experience counts for **** if you don't learn form it.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 19 janvier 2012 - 10:52 .

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Never mind that strength, raw strength alone isn't always enough to win a fight. Just some cautionary tips.

Agreed. If strength is fairly close, skill and other factors start to really matter a lot.