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[CrutchCricket]

AgitatedLemon wrote...


I just went back and read through that whole thing. I made the first food reference.

"What were you expecting her to do? Make him a sandwich?"

Did you see what you were replying to? My implication of going down that route. That started with me.

Anyway back to the current topic. Thinking he was from the comics I was going to look into Leng so I could contribute to the current topic. But it's one of the Karpyshyn books and I actually want to read those. I have a feeling I'll like the character despite the threat he poses to our heroes.

[MisterJB]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

But the cells are intentionally kept separate from one another so as to not compromise security. None of the non-Lazarus cells knew of the Lazarus project, for example.

However, Miranda was Cerberus' second in command (presumely before joining Shepard). It's hard to tell what that would imply in an organization like Cerberus but it might mean that she had to know what multiple cells were doing.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
However, Miranda was Cerberus' second in command (presumely before joining Shepard). It's hard to tell what that would imply in an organization like Cerberus but it might mean that she had to know what multiple cells were doing.

I would say she had some facts, maybe some names. But it was just data, not really full knowledge. Even if a second in command position would grant more oversight, TIM is notoriously micromanaging and plays things pretty close to the chest.

[AgitatedLemon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...


I just went back and read through that whole thing. I made the first food reference.

"What were you expecting her to do? Make him a sandwich?"

Did you see what you were replying to? My implication of going down that route. That started with me.

Anyway back to the current topic. Thinking he was from the comics I was going to look into Leng so I could contribute to the current topic. But it's one of the Karpyshyn books and I actually want to read those. I have a feeling I'll like the character despite the threat he poses to our heroes.

I read it again and you didn't imply anything.

@JB: Does Miranda ever say she's his second in command? Outside the normal cell structure?

All I ever recall her saying is "I report directly to the Illusive Man", in regards to their current operation.

And why'd you grey that out? Those aren't really spoilers.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 20 janvier 2012 - 12:39 .

[MisterJB]

I greyed it out because it's something that is only mentioned in the leak. Therefore, it can be considered a spoiler.

[CrutchCricket]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
I read it again and you didn't imply anything.

Read more carefully then:

CrutchCricket wrote...
Ah. Very well. My question was going elsewhere... purely in the interest of lulz of course.

AgitatedLemon wrote...
What did you think she was planning to do, in a pose like that? Make him a sandwich?

Td1984 wrote...
Page 1111!
Anyway Clutch, I only would've thrown something at you if you made a comment about her being in there to make Shep a sandwich. Actually, I would've let Miranda throw something at you. She could probably do it harder.

Td1984 got it and I don't think he's psychic.

CrutchCricket wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
What did you think she was planning to do, in a pose like that? Make him a sandwich?

Hey it's every nerd's dream to have fanservice with cooking options. That's like all the basic needs of life rolled up in one.

...etc. I think we know the rest well enough.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 20 janvier 2012 - 12:45 .

[AgitatedLemon]

"Going elsewhere" can mean anything.

That's a poor implication. I'm more inclined to say Td guessed it right.

[AgitatedLemon]

Anyway... New page. Time for a Miranda!



She may have a problem with you if you betray her and try to kill her staff.

[android654]

This brings me back to a theory I had when I first played through ME2. Do you think Miranda had a hand in what took place on Lazarus? It seemed rather convenient for her to kill Wilson, which shocked Jacob quite a bit, without any explanation. It also seemed like something that would take a bit of planning which Miranda would be known for.

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

This brings me back to a theory I had when I first played through ME2. Do you think Miranda had a hand in what took place on Lazarus? It seemed rather convenient for her to kill Wilson, which shocked Jacob quite a bit, without any explanation. It also seemed like something that would take a bit of planning which Miranda would be known for.

No.

As we learned, Wilson was hired by the Shadow Broker, and there's no evidence to suggest Miranda has any information, or anyone else, for that matter.

I'd have executed him on the spot just as she had. I wouldn't risk him literally stabbing me in the back a 2nd time.

[android654]

Where was it said that the SB hired him? Also, at that point we didn't know a thing about him. killing him then would've been just as stupid not to.

Modifié par android654, 20 janvier 2012 - 01:39 .

[jtav]

LOTSB. Legion's dossier.

[MisterJB]

No. We know for a fact Wilson was hired by the Shadow Broker. And what would be the point of killing everyone in the Lazarus Cell and force Shepard to fight his way through Mechs that were shooting to kill?

Clearly Cerberus had no problem with people knowying about Shepard. Jack Harper wasted no time spreading rumours that Shepard was with Cerberus.
They didn't want people to know he had been brought back to life? Well, Miranda didn't kill Jacob and he is not exactly extremely loyal to Harper.

Miranda is cold and calculating, more than capable of leaving people to die if that is what it takes to complete the mission. But she will not kill her own people. She proved that much on the Collector Base.

android654 wrote...
Also, at that point we didn't know a thing about him. killing him then would've been just as stupid not to.

Miranda somehow knew that he was the traitor and, since she was (slightly) involved in the mission to stop the Shadow Broker from selling Shepard's body to the Collectors, she probrably just connected the dots.

Modifié par MisterJB, 20 janvier 2012 - 01:49 .

[CrutchCricket]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

"Going elsewhere" can mean anything.

That's a poor implication. I'm more inclined to say Td guessed it right.

As did you then. Which amounts to the same thing.

Anyway, on the Wilson angle, anyone else think he had a thing for Miranda? The logs went on quite a bit about how he wished she showed more "appreciation". I can't remember, does the dossier mention when Wilson sold out? If it doesn't I think the two might be related.

[AgitatedLemon]

I've been wondering...

Say Miranda and Shepard (romanced) retire after the war against the Reapers.

Where would they live, and what do you think they'd do afterwards?

Like, Shepard isn't a member of the Alliance military anymore, but he can still be affiliated, as a teacher for new recruits. And Miranda can be doing something else, like reworking Sanctuary into a refugee shelter.

As for me, I wouldn't mind them living on a rebuilt Eden Prime or Horizon. Shepard would be a mentor for Sentinels-in-training. I haven't thought of a scenario for Miranda yet.

[schemata]

android654 wrote...

Where was it said that the SB hired him? Also, at that point we didn't know a thing about him. killing him then would've been just as stupid not to.

Doing a playthrough and it's implied very heavily that he's the traitor. Like bioware walking into your place and hitting you over the head.  The monologues in the vids scattered throughout give the "why" and his behavior when you meet him seals the deal.

[AgitatedLemon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

"Going elsewhere" can mean anything.

That's a poor implication. I'm more inclined to say Td guessed it right.

As did you then. Which amounts to the same thing.

Anyway, on the Wilson angle, anyone else think he had a thing for Miranda? The logs went on quite a bit about how he wished she showed more "appreciation". I can't remember, does the dossier mention when Wilson sold out? If it doesn't I think the two might be related.

I'd guess that he more... hated Miranda.

His logs demonstrate that he was frustrated by her cold attitude. Hell, if I didn't know any better I'd say he just snapped one day and tried to kill everyone.

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Anyway, on the Wilson angle, anyone else think he had a thing for Miranda? The logs went on quite a bit about how he wished she showed more "appreciation". I can't remember, does the dossier mention when Wilson sold out? If it doesn't I think the two might be related.

The problem with this is that you are implicating that it is possible for a straight man to be on the same room as Miranda and not be attracted to her.
Especially someone like Wilson who I can't imagine getting a lot of action.

[CrutchCricket]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
I'd guess that he more... hated Miranda.

His logs demonstrate that he was frustrated by her cold attitude. Hell, if I didn't know any better I'd say he just snapped one day and tried to kill everyone.

I think he snapped as well. Not psycho shoot'em up snapped but more like "**** this I'm working my ass of to ressurect this **** and she doesn't even notice me". He grumbled in the right bar at the right time and bam! contacted by the Shadow Broker.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 20 janvier 2012 - 01:59 .

[schemata]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I've been wondering...

Say Miranda and Shepard (romanced) retire after the war against the Reapers.

Where would they live, and what do you think they'd do afterwards?

Like, Shepard isn't a member of the Alliance military anymore, but he can still be affiliated, as a teacher for new recruits. And Miranda can be doing something else, like reworking Sanctuary into a refugee shelter.

As for me, I wouldn't mind them living on a rebuilt Eden Prime or Horizon. Shepard would be a mentor for Sentinels-in-training. I haven't thought of a scenario for Miranda yet.

I cant imagine Shep not being in action;otherwise Im not so sure I could care about him.  His story isn't one where he's trying to have a "normal" life and circumstances keep bringing him front and center. He's one of the driving forces constantly getting after the problem/issues.  Way I see it, Shep will rebuild the spectres while miri will build a human STG while through that they keep having to "find" each other.  Not literally, but their connection and care for one another keep each other close despite each being leading roles for their proespective..uh visions. Or something like that in a fuzzy vague way.

[android654]

MisterJB wrote...
Miranda somehow knew that he was the traitor and, since she was (slightly) involved in the mission to stop the Shadow Broker from selling Shepard's body to the Collectors, she probrably just connected the dots.

Lemon said he'd kill Wilson too. At that point there wasn't enough information one way or the other to inform a decision so killing Wilson then would be irrational and a risk to keep him alive.

As for where Shepard and Miranda would go after the Reapers? Nowhere I'd wager. I don't see much life for that type of relationship outside of this trilogy. Miranda is the type of person who thrives on the fulfillment she gets from her work. Paragon Shepard states a few times that he plans on stopping at some point, that just isn't Miranda. I think outside of the war against the repears their "love" doesn't have much to go on since Miranda is nowhere near needing to stop doing any of the things she's currently doing.

She kind of reminds me of the rumors of Japanese soldiers on uncharted islands unaware that WWII is over, she'll constantly keep working like a threat will never stop even after its gone.

[AgitatedLemon]

schemata wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I've been wondering...

Say Miranda and Shepard (romanced) retire after the war against the Reapers.

Where would they live, and what do you think they'd do afterwards?

Like, Shepard isn't a member of the Alliance military anymore, but he can still be affiliated, as a teacher for new recruits. And Miranda can be doing something else, like reworking Sanctuary into a refugee shelter.

As for me, I wouldn't mind them living on a rebuilt Eden Prime or Horizon. Shepard would be a mentor for Sentinels-in-training. I haven't thought of a scenario for Miranda yet.

I cant imagine Shep not being in action;otherwise Im not so sure I could care about him.  His story isn't one where he's trying to have a "normal" life and circumstances keep bringing him front and center. He's one of the driving forces constantly getting after the problem/issues.  Way I see it, Shep will rebuild the spectres while miri will build a human STG while through that they keep having to "find" each other.  Not literally, but their connection and care for one another keep each other close despite each being leading roles for their proespective..uh visions. Or something like that in a fuzzy vague way.

Hence me specifying "After the war with the Reapers"

If I were Shepard and I saved the galaxy 3 times over the course of 3 years, I'd tell the next person to ask for my help to suck it and handle their own problems. Or at the very least help train the next generation of soldiers and heroes, like my head canon Shepard will.

I just thought of a scenario for Miranda:

I could see her becoming a University professor, providing the same quality education she received as a girl. She'd be a strict and high-standard, yet workable teacher. Her time with Shepard has "softened" her up, so to speak. She's still rigorous and expects the best from her pupils, but she won't execute them for missing a question on a quiz.

Or she could go on to lead a repurposed Cerberus into humanity's equivalent of the STG

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 20 janvier 2012 - 02:11 .

[jtav]

I really want Matt to have a normal life. That's what he always wanted. He's a marine because they more or less made him, so he is going to be painting exquisite nudes of his wife for many decades to come.On Bekenstein, probably.

Now Lawrence, who is the Shepard I'm writing now, he'll be running a PMC or something like that. Soldiering is all he knows. Him I imagine more Earth-based. Miranda is TIW in both cases, though it's a really long story for Lawrence.

[MisterJB]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
I just thought of a scenario for Miranda:

I could see her becoming a University professor, providing the same quality education she received as a girl. She'd be a strict and high-standard, yet workable teacher.

... What? They don't need to both be packed with explosions and gunfire.

While I do agree that their relationship doesn't need a threat of eminent death to work, I do believe you are thinking a little too small.
Miranda would like some job where she could continue acomplishing the impossible for the good of humanity.

[schemata]

Lemon said he'd kill Wilson too. At that point there wasn't enough information one way or the other to inform a decision so killing Wilson then would be irrational and a risk to keep him alive.

completely disagree here. It's heavily implied throughout the lazarus project multiple times.  But I also don't believe you need guilt written in blood to make the call either, or on a datapad. You just piece it together.  They throw those kinds of things at you so hard, and I hate the story for moments like that- but yet some people still don't make the connection.

As for where Shepard and Miranda would go after the Reapers? Nowhere I'd wager. I don't see much life for that type of relationship outside of this trilogy. Miranda is the type of person who thrives on the fulfillment she gets from her work. Paragon Shepard states a few times that he plans on stopping at some point, that just isn't Miranda. I think outside of the war against the repears their "love" doesn't have much to go on since Miranda is nowhere near needing to stop doing any of the things she's currently doing.

When did this happen? Thanks