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[schemata]

havent heard any spoilers or seen the leak, but the best end will be miri and shep becoming a reaper together. Yeah I said it! What what. If its an option anyway

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Modifié par schemata, 20 janvier 2012 - 03:26 .

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

Again, you do not have to be 100% one way or the other. Heck, Mat's got his share of Renegade points, and I based him on Captain America.

This. 

Just because you choose to go with 1 option more so than the other doesn't mean you're railroaded into being a goody 2 shoes or  a heartless ******.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 20 janvier 2012 - 03:24 .

[Collider]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

jtav wrote...

Again, you do not have to be 100% one way or the other. Heck, Mat's got his share of Renegade points, and I based him on Captain America.

This. 

Just because you choose to go with 1 option more so than the other doesn't mean you're railroaded into being a goody 2 shoes or a a heartless ******.

Ideally, of course. In practice, the game essentially encourages you to go full paragon or renegade. And I hate it.

[AgitatedLemon]

schemata wrote...

havent heard any spoilers or seen the leak, but the best end will be miri and shep becoming a reaper together. Yeah I said it! What what. If its an option anyway

How in the hell is this the best ending?

[android654]

We can hypothesize about that but there's not to suggest it now. And while you can be 60/40 or 82/18 in one of the two, but it does affect your options in dialogue and then propels you further in the field your higher in.

I think you guys are giving Shepard depth that writers didn't intend Her/Him to have. There's more depth to the crewmates but Shepard's intentions aren't as elaborate as we'd like him to be.

Modifié par android654, 20 janvier 2012 - 03:26 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Collider wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

jtav wrote...

Again, you do not have to be 100% one way or the other. Heck, Mat's got his share of Renegade points, and I based him on Captain America.

This. 

Just because you choose to go with 1 option more so than the other doesn't mean you're railroaded into being a goody 2 shoes or a a heartless ******.

Ideally, of course. In practice, the game essentially encourages you to go full paragon or renegade. And I hate it.

... Not really.

If you're talking about the charm/intimidate thing, there is almost always a multitude of ways to approach that particular situation.

[Swaggacide]

Miranda is the best

[Harshfact]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

android654 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

android654 wrote...
Totally misread that analogy. The CEO I was comparring him to is out of a job not because his company is gone but the service his company offers is no longer needed. Repears are gone and Shepard has no need to lead that life so he has to reevalute what to do from here.

Miranda was doing something before ME2 she's busy in ME3 and she wont stop after. Paragon Shepard has made it very clear that he wants to stop after the Reapers this will definitly clash with Miranda.

Not that the reason for termination matters that much, but even so, Shepard is not just "The Reaper Killer". He's a very, very good killer marine. Even if he choose to leave military life he has plenty of skills he could put to use elsewhere but in similar fields.

And again ME2-3 Miranda said she doesn't want to stop. 10-20 years after, who knows? Maybe she changes her tune.

But going by Paragon Shepard he can not wait to stop. Good killer or not, Paragon Shepard clearly wants to stop and settle down somewhere. Even little blue children with Liara, so more killing is not on a Paragon Shepard's mind.

There are a lot of variables that conflict with this.

Not every paragon Shepard is the same. Not every paragon Shepard is 100% paragon. I go like 95% paragon and 5% renegade, depending on choices.

Or who's to say that Shepard won't change his tone by the end of ME3, where he feels obligated to protect the galaxy, because he (for whatever reason) feels that he needs to?

This

I actually do this every once in a while on my playthroughs you don't need to do it in 100 % way for example my shep stayed loyal to alliance in ME 1 but in ME 2 as i went on i took him down a more rengade path since i added in my own mind ,a layer to his psyche that he's a bit frustrated by council  and alliance plus not building a reputation actually makes for some really interesting dilemmas like for the side quests if you don't have enough para/rene like tali's loyalty mission..ur shep can be whatever u want  which makes you wonder wouldn't it be cool if we could have at least one or two variables on miranda's lines depending on how the Romance will go ? i know it won't happen but since it's the end maybe we could get two concluding scenarios closer to reg and para sheps who romanced Miri

[AgitatedLemon]

android654 wrote...

We can hypothesize about that but there's not to suggest it now. And while you can be 60/40 or 82/18 in one of the two, but it does affect your options in dialogue and then propels you further in the field your higher in.

Think about it like I do.

Before you make a choice that "conflicts" with the morality bar, build up the morality bar first.

Example, the Miranda v. Jack thing takes like 90% paragon to resolve it that way, right?

If you make 10 choices, and 9 of them are paragon, you're fine.

[schemata]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

schemata wrote...

havent heard any spoilers or seen the leak, but the best end will be miri and shep becoming a reaper together. Yeah I said it! What what. If its an option anyway

How in the hell is this the best ending?

LOL. envision it lemon. envision it!

[AgitatedLemon]

Swaggacide wrote...

Miranda is the best

Holla!

[schemata]

Collider wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

jtav wrote...

Again, you do not have to be 100% one way or the other. Heck, Mat's got his share of Renegade points, and I based him on Captain America.

This. 

Just because you choose to go with 1 option more so than the other doesn't mean you're railroaded into being a goody 2 shoes or a a heartless ******.

Ideally, of course. In practice, the game essentially encourages you to go full paragon or renegade. And I hate it.

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[AgitatedLemon]

schemata wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

schemata wrote...

havent heard any spoilers or seen the leak, but the best end will be miri and shep becoming a reaper together. Yeah I said it! What what. If its an option anyway

How in the hell is this the best ending?

LOL. envision it lemon. envision it!

No. I already played out my ideal "Miranda's death in ME3" scenario, and I cried manly tears.

[Collider]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Collider wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

jtav wrote...

Again, you do not have to be 100% one way or the other. Heck, Mat's got his share of Renegade points, and I based him on Captain America.

This. 

Just because you choose to go with 1 option more so than the other doesn't mean you're railroaded into being a goody 2 shoes or a a heartless ******.

Ideally, of course. In practice, the game essentially encourages you to go full paragon or renegade. And I hate it.

... Not really.

If you're talking about the charm/intimidate thing, there is almost always a multitude of ways to approach that particular situation.

I am talking about that.
When it comes down to it, if you don't have enough paragon or renegade points, you can't use charm or intimidate. You can metagame and plan your missions in a certain order, or you can use cheat codes, but both of those diminish roleplaying.

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

I was addressing Crutch, Lemon, but what I mean is that he's perfectly willing to intimidate people for her sake. Beyond that, IRL I'm deeply pacifistic. There's such a thing as a just war, but the ultimate goal is to defeat the enemy and return to normal life. Rebuild the world. The last step in the hero's journey is freedom to live. Matt and Miranda both get that in my headcanon.

Did not realize you were talking to me. I get what you meant by the expression and the idea didn't bother me. I think any of us (i.e. our Shepards) here would glady waste anyone who was giving Miranda grief.

My problem is that you don't have him do anything else. Ok he paints, I have nothing against artists. But this is twice you've described him simply as "the supportive boyfriend". My issue is why is he just the supportive boyfriend? I'm not saying he has to kill people for the rest of his life. I wouldn't care if he never touches a weapon again. But where is his contribution to "rebuilding the world"?

My beef is that you rally and rant so adamantly against Miranda simply becoming the Chick or the stereotypical "housewife" (and rightly so I might add) and yet it would seem you then turn around and do the same thing to Shepard. She's all influential and wielding the power and he's an inconsequential chump with his head in the clouds who is merely "supportive". This double standard annoys the hell out of me because like I said before you could not pull this **** in reverse. If I started writing a story where Shepard goes on to be a Councilor or something and Miranda is the loving wife who teaches fencing on the weekends, I don't think I'd ever get this thread's collective hands off my throat.

So please, let's just keep it equal. Like I said you have the right to write (lol) as you wish. You want to make your Matt Mass Effect's Da Vinci go ahead. But at least acknowledge the possibility of a Shepard-Miranda team running the galaxy or what have you, in some other way.

[Swaggacide]

To me Miranda is the perfect romance. I will so be choosing over Ashley. No disrespect to Ash, but i love Miranda more

[schemata]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

schemata wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

schemata wrote...

havent heard any spoilers or seen the leak, but the best end will be miri and shep becoming a reaper together. Yeah I said it! What what. If its an option anyway

How in the hell is this the best ending?

LOL. envision it lemon. envision it!

No. I already played out my ideal "Miranda's death in ME3" scenario, and I cried manly tears.

See, now. Your not envisioning it.  Neither will be dieing, theyll be, joining.  There memories will join, their minds. Like asari sex.  But theyll stll be seperate. Yet together.  Dude, its perfect.

[Swaggacide]

Miranda

[AgitatedLemon]

Collider wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Collider wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

jtav wrote...

Again, you do not have to be 100% one way or the other. Heck, Mat's got his share of Renegade points, and I based him on Captain America.

This. 

Just because you choose to go with 1 option more so than the other doesn't mean you're railroaded into being a goody 2 shoes or a a heartless ******.

Ideally, of course. In practice, the game essentially encourages you to go full paragon or renegade. And I hate it.

... Not really.

If you're talking about the charm/intimidate thing, there is almost always a multitude of ways to approach that particular situation.

I am talking about that.
When it comes down to it, if you don't have enough paragon or renegade points, you can't use charm or intimidate. You can metagame and plan your missions in a certain order, or you can use cheat codes, but both of those diminish roleplaying.

Like I said, there is almost always a multitude of ways to counteract that.

For example, the Miranda v. Jack scenario. If you don't have enough paragon for the initial dialogue, you can side with either one and keep their loyalty. You'll lose the other's loyalty, but you can go and regain it by just talking to them.

[AgitatedLemon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

jtav wrote...

I was addressing Crutch, Lemon, but what I mean is that he's perfectly willing to intimidate people for her sake. Beyond that, IRL I'm deeply pacifistic. There's such a thing as a just war, but the ultimate goal is to defeat the enemy and return to normal life. Rebuild the world. The last step in the hero's journey is freedom to live. Matt and Miranda both get that in my headcanon.

Did not realize you were talking to me. I get what you meant by the expression and the idea didn't bother me. I think any of us (i.e. our Shepards) here would glady waste anyone who was giving Miranda grief.

My problem is that you don't have him do anything else. Ok he paints, I have nothing against artists. But this is twice you've described him simply as "the supportive boyfriend". My issue is why is he just the supportive boyfriend? I'm not saying he has to kill people for the rest of his life. I wouldn't care if he never touches a weapon again. But where is his contribution to "rebuilding the world"?

My beef is that you rally and rant so adamantly against Miranda simply becoming the Chick or the stereotypical "housewife" (and rightly so I might add) and yet it would seem you then turn around and do the same thing to Shepard. She's all influential and wielding the power and he's an inconsequential chump with his head in the clouds who is merely "supportive". This double standard annoys the hell out of me because like I said before you could not pull this **** in reverse. If I started writing a story where Shepard goes on to be a Councilor or something and Miranda is the loving wife who teaches fencing on the weekends, I don't think I'd ever get this thread's collective hands off my throat.

So please, let's just keep it equal. Like I said you have the right to write (lol) as you wish. You want to make your Matt Mass Effect's Da Vinci go ahead. But at least acknowledge the possibility of a Shepard-Miranda team running the galaxy or what have you, in some other way.

You didn't read jtav's other post concerning that, the one that I replied to, have you?

[AgitatedLemon]

Swaggacide wrote...

Miranda

Damn straight.

[CrutchCricket]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
You didn't read jtav's other post concerning that, the one that I replied to, have you?

No, which one?

[AgitatedLemon]

schemata wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

schemata wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

schemata wrote...

havent heard any spoilers or seen the leak, but the best end will be miri and shep becoming a reaper together. Yeah I said it! What what. If its an option anyway

How in the hell is this the best ending?

LOL. envision it lemon. envision it!

No. I already played out my ideal "Miranda's death in ME3" scenario, and I cried manly tears.

See, now. Your not envisioning it.  Neither will be dieing, theyll be, joining.  There memories will join, their minds. Like asari sex.  But theyll stll be seperate. Yet together.  Dude, its perfect.

Except, they will both be dying, considering the fact that in order to become a Reaper, you're body is liquefied into grey mucus.

And asari mind sex is the asari and her partner's nervous systems joining, not what you put.

Again, how is that perfect? Why do you think that?

[Collider]

For example, the Miranda v. Jack scenario. If you don't have enough paragon for the initial dialogue, you can side with either one and keep their loyalty. You'll lose the other's loyalty, but you can go and regain it by just talking to them.

That is still metagaming.
And in order to regain their loyalty, you must again use charm or intimidate, and you run into the exact same issue of possibly not having enough points.

Because of the way charm and intimidate point checks are set up, you can very conceivably arrive at a point of no return where a charm or intimidate option is essentially impossible to achieve.

I prefer something like Dragon Age Origins where you have a persuade stat you can build up, and how you use that persuasion skill (for "charming" or "intimidating") is up to you. There is no invisible force preventing you from using dialog options because of some binary morality system.