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[AgitatedLemon]

Swaggacide wrote...

Im almost more excited to see Miranda and continue the romance then fight the reapers. Although both will be awesome

The Miranda romance and story arc are like half of my enjoyment of the game.

[AgitatedLemon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

schemata wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
Ugh dude. You know what you're suggesting? The ending of Skyline. I'm ashamed to say I saw that movie. Don't remind me of it.

no idea what your talking about.

Maybe that's why you still think it's a good idea.

This will be nausiating but...

Invincible aliens with blue lights (and very Reaperish looking ships) invade. The drone protagonists get picked off one by one until there's only the main guy and his girl. They get abducted. Turns out the aliens are using human brains for some reason, sticking them in alien bodies. They do that to the guy and as they're about to operate on teh girl the new guy-alien thing freaks out and rebels due to the power of love, Heroic Willpower and cosmic level bull****. Still think it's a good idea?

So you're basically saying Shepard is the Silver Surfer?

[CrutchCricket]

android654 wrote...
He doesn't have a contribution to the galaxy because its not a debt he chose its a debt that was forced on him. He doesn't want to help build other people's lives since he's still working on controlling his own. He spent that last few years sacrificing himself because he was made to not because he wants to. He's earned the right to live his own life now.


This is the problem of having a superman like character, only a few people can see him outside of that role. Characters should be more than the sum of their parts or their actions.

Really? Not one he chose? I didn't think he was a conscript in any of the backgrounds. He joined of his own free will. Again as has been said countless times not all Shepards want to retire and not all of them should necessarily retire.

[schemata]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

schemata wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

schemata wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Reaper=/= Protoss Archon.
You don't join with one person forever. You get melted down into Reaper Shakes with a few other million people and you become their go-juice.

Common misconception. We actually don't know how the reapers work. They need grey goop to get it started sure, we know that from the end of ME2. However, we also know the reapers internal personalities share memories. Perhaps somewhere in there, there is a alpha body of the species. Perhaps with a hole in the head similiar to the matrix people who are plugged in. And in this reaper is Miri and shep, immortal. awesome. Both miri and sheps spirits and mind join, b/c their so strong willed, anyone who boards their ship will take on their memories, and their way of thinking. Their spirit soaks the vessel of the reaper that much. Then throw in a little imagination that they still have bodies they can use so we can still empathize. bam, bad ass.

This isn't Peter Pan.

When you're melted down to become a Reaper, you're-

1. Dead
2. Take on their way of thinking
3. Used more for mass than anything else
4. Personality is stripped away

None of that is fact

edit: We additionally dont know what else happens in the process of a reaper being made, why I still think it could work.

Actually, no.

You are dead when melted. I'm surprised you didn't know this.

2 can be inferred by the fact that every single Reaper thnks in an identical fashion.

3 is up there with 1. You could theoretically build a Reaper with 1 person, but it would be tiny. The thousands (Or millions) of people is more for generating a sustainable body mass than anything.

4 can be inferred by Sovereign and Harbinger having no personality, other thn "Kill everything".

Actually, yes.

Your dead sure, but I was more thinking that there may be more involved in the finalization of a reaper. Yes its possible.

2. Absolutely wrong. We have no proof of this, additionally it can not be infered that they do.  Simply because they all perform a certain task doesnt not make them identical to each other. Infact its implied that each reaper is actually a collection of an entire race/species.  Again, just because they share a task doesn't mean they have a hive mind or anything of a sort.  Infact sovergein says they are independant nations. And in my story, Nation ShepMiri, **** yeah!

3. Again, they may need an entire race to bring the reaper online, but its possible they have a alpha personality tying the entire reaper together. That could be shep and miri

4. there personalitys are awesome. They fit perfectly. Yes even harbinger. If they were the same person, Like Legion is all of the geth, and any platform of non heretic geth would be the equivalant of having legion in the party, which they are not, they assume different names.

[CrutchCricket]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
It would be a personality shift, I think, but it could work, provided it is written well.

At least, so long as Miranda isn't reduced to being "That housewife" and does something productive.

Hell, her just enjoying herself for a few days before being called back into action would be fine. Even for a workaholic, they understand that SOME time needs to be taken off. Given her background and former line of work, I'd say she more than deserves it.

Agreed. That's just not the vibe I got from "supportive boyfriend".

[Swaggacide]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Swaggacide wrote...

Im almost more excited to see Miranda and continue the romance then fight the reapers. Although both will be awesome

The Miranda romance and story arc are like half of my enjoyment of the game.

Now i like your face even more

[android654]

CrutchCricket wrote...

android654 wrote...
He doesn't have a contribution to the galaxy because its not a debt he chose its a debt that was forced on him. He doesn't want to help build other people's lives since he's still working on controlling his own. He spent that last few years sacrificing himself because he was made to not because he wants to. He's earned the right to live his own life now.


This is the problem of having a superman like character, only a few people can see him outside of that role. Characters should be more than the sum of their parts or their actions.

Really? Not one he chose? I didn't think he was a conscript in any of the backgrounds. He joined of his own free will. Again as has been said countless times not all Shepards want to retire and not all of them should necessarily retire.

Which is why you're oblivious to what she's talking about since its about her Shepard.

However, like it or not, Shepard will get an ending to this chapter and hopefully a glimpse to what comes after.

Modifié par android654, 20 janvier 2012 - 04:04 .

[CrutchCricket]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

So you're basically saying Shepard is the Silver Surfer?

No sorry that should've been cosmic amount of bull****. As in it collapses on its own mass creating a bull**** black hole. 

Shepard as the Surfer would be pretty cool though.

[schemata]

CrutchCricket wrote...

schemata wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
Ugh dude. You know what you're suggesting? The ending of Skyline. I'm ashamed to say I saw that movie. Don't remind me of it.

no idea what your talking about.

Maybe that's why you still think it's a good idea.

This will be nausiating but...

Invincible aliens with blue lights (and very Reaperish looking ships) invade. The drone protagonists get picked off one by one until there's only the main guy and his girl. They get abducted. Turns out the aliens are using human brains for some reason, sticking them in alien bodies. They do that to the guy and as they're about to operate on teh girl the new guy-alien thing freaks out and rebels due to the power of love, Heroic Willpower and cosmic level bull****. Still think it's a good idea?

I do, my version is different from that version and is glorious in my mind.

[CrutchCricket]

android654 wrote...

Which is why you're oblivious to what she's talking about since its about her Shepard.

However, like it or not, Shepard will get an ending to this chapter and hopefully a glimpse to what comes after.

What? I'm aware it's her Shepard- just reread my post again. Pay close attention to the last part.

[AgitatedLemon]

2. What I posted is one of the most sound theories I've ever read. Also, read the ME3 leak.

3 That doesn't at all explain why both named Reapers encountered so far behave the same way (Outside a few different speech patterns)

4 I never said Sovereign and Harbinger were the same person. They act differently, but that's because they played different roles. Legion also isn't "all" of the geth. He's just 1183 geth. There are millions of geth who belong to Legion's faction that we have not seen.

[android654]

CrutchCricket wrote...

android654 wrote...

Which is why you're oblivious to what she's talking about since its about her Shepard.

However, like it or not, Shepard will get an ending to this chapter and hopefully a glimpse to what comes after.

What? I'm aware it's her Shepard- just reread my post again. Pay close attention to the last part.

I was merely elaborationg why you didn't get why he wasn't doing some hero thing afterword. No insult intended.

[AgitatedLemon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
It would be a personality shift, I think, but it could work, provided it is written well.

At least, so long as Miranda isn't reduced to being "That housewife" and does something productive.

Hell, her just enjoying herself for a few days before being called back into action would be fine. Even for a workaholic, they understand that SOME time needs to be taken off. Given her background and former line of work, I'd say she more than deserves it.

Agreed. That's just not the vibe I got from "supportive boyfriend".

How so? I mean, for me at least, that's how it sounded. Almost identical to what jtav proposed. Unless of course I'm misunderstanding jtav (I probably am)

Painting nudes of Miranda, then jumping back into the suit of armor and dusting off the rifle when he's needed.

If he ever got bored of painting nudes of Miranda (I don't see how that would be boring), he could always just join her or do something similar to my earlier suggestion about working with Garrus.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 20 janvier 2012 - 04:10 .

[jtav]

When have I ever said all Shepards should retire? I hold ME2 Shepard in contempt because I think he's badly written. ME3 Shepard? I'm actually jealous of Miranda. He's still badass, but he's actually relatable.

[CrutchCricket]

schemata wrote...
I do, my version is different from that version and is glorious in my mind.

Well I think that's the end of that. Your mind is a strange place I don't think I wish to know.

[AgitatedLemon]

Swaggacide wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Swaggacide wrote...

Im almost more excited to see Miranda and continue the romance then fight the reapers. Although both will be awesome

The Miranda romance and story arc are like half of my enjoyment of the game.

Now i like your face even more

Damn straight. Miranda fanboys need to stick together.

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

When have I ever said all Shepards should retire? I hold ME2 Shepard in contempt because I think he's badly written. ME3 Shepard? I'm actually jealous of Miranda. He's still badass, but he's actually relatable.

I was just referring to Matt (I think his name is?) and the retirement you planned for him.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 20 janvier 2012 - 04:12 .

[MisterJB]

android: Not trying to argue your headcanon but, honestly, I do believe you are understimating how Miranda feels for Shepard. Once all her romantic conversations have been done, her "I'm busy" line changes.
"Do you have a minute, Miranda?
Always. I'm tying a few loose ends for Cerberus. We haven't had much free time lately but I haven't forgotten..."

And let's not forget what Liara says:
"She was so cold when I first met. Completely focused on her duty.
I'm not sure she has lightened up that much.
She has, believe me. You have no idea how much you've changed her."

Does this means that Miranda is now a less driven person who wants to accomplish less? No (and I would not want it to) but it definitively shows that Miranda has now something else in her life besides work and I think she would try hard to make sure their relationship functions. Just like I think Miranda would try to find free time to extablish a relationship with Oriana.

[Swaggacide]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Swaggacide wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Swaggacide wrote...

Im almost more excited to see Miranda and continue the romance then fight the reapers. Although both will be awesome

The Miranda romance and story arc are like half of my enjoyment of the game.

Now i like your face even more

Damn straight. Miranda fanboys need to stick together.

I love Miranda so much not just for her looks but her amazing personality and the romance was great. I just thought Shepards part was a little i want him to be more affectionate with Miranda

Modifié par Swaggacide, 20 janvier 2012 - 04:15 .

[schemata]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

2. What I posted is one of the most sound theories I've ever read. Also, read the ME3 leak.

3 That doesn't at all explain why both named Reapers encountered so far behave the same way (Outside a few different speech patterns)

4 I never said Sovereign and Harbinger were the same person. They act differently, but that's because they played different roles. Legion also isn't "all" of the geth. He's just 1183 geth. There are millions of geth who belong to Legion's faction that we have not seen.

2. No wont read the leak.

3 They do not behave the same way

4 Geth uplink together and share their experience and perspective. This has to be one of the biggest "misses" I see around here, people not understanding the geth/legion.  Thats why there is no, "I" only "we". Legion is the only non heretic geth we meet. We assign a name based on our own believe of an individual.  But if we were to meet another legion/geth itd be the same...persona as legion. It may even have the Legion/geths perspective if the two were uplinked at the same time, or if the new geth/legion we meet uploaded after any time that legion/geth has.

[jtav]

Lemon, I type slowly, and the BBC code box does unfortunate things to my browser on occasion.

[AgitatedLemon]

No worries, jtav. It's all good. It was just a misunderstanding.

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

When have I ever said all Shepards should retire? I hold ME2 Shepard in contempt because I think he's badly written. ME3 Shepard? I'm actually jealous of Miranda. He's still badass, but he's actually relatable.

Forget all Shepards retiring. Read my original post, tell me how I'm wrong and I'll be quiet. Create a scenario where Shep and Miranda are the ultimate couple and still contribute equally to reshaping the galaxy and I will never raise this point again.

PS. I think you holding ME2 Shepard in contempt goes a long way in explaining why this comes across the way it does.

[AgitatedLemon]

schemata wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

2. What I posted is one of the most sound theories I've ever read. Also, read the ME3 leak.

3 That doesn't at all explain why both named Reapers encountered so far behave the same way (Outside a few different speech patterns)

4 I never said Sovereign and Harbinger were the same person. They act differently, but that's because they played different roles. Legion also isn't "all" of the geth. He's just 1183 geth. There are millions of geth who belong to Legion's faction that we have not seen.

2. No wont read the leak.

3 They do not behave the same way

4 Geth uplink together and share their experience and perspective. This has to be one of the biggest "misses" I see around here, people not understanding the geth/legion.  Thats why there is no, "I" only "we". Legion is the only non heretic geth we meet. We assign a name based on our own believe of an individual.  But if we were to meet another legion/geth itd be the same...persona as legion. It may even have the Legion/geths perspective if the two were uplinked at the same time, or if the new geth/legion we meet uploaded after any time that legion/geth has.

2. Then stop telling me I'm wrong.

3. They behave in very similar fashions. They act differently, but I already explained that is because they perform different roles.

4. The regular geth don't follow a religion (At least not that we know of), only the heretics do. What are you talking about "I" and "we"? I never said Legion was a single personality. And no, if we met another "good" geth it wouldn't be the same as Legion, at least, not outright. Legion isn't hooked into the geth network while aboard te Normandy, so any non-Legion geth don't know anything about what Shepard and Legion talk about.

[AgitatedLemon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

jtav wrote...

When have I ever said all Shepards should retire? I hold ME2 Shepard in contempt because I think he's badly written. ME3 Shepard? I'm actually jealous of Miranda. He's still badass, but he's actually relatable.

Forget all Shepards retiring. Read my original post, tell me how I'm wrong and I'll be quiet. Create a scenario where Shep and Miranda are the ultimate couple and still contribute equally to reshaping the galaxy and I will never raise this point again.

PS. I think you holding ME2 Shepard in contempt goes a long way in explaining why this comes across the way it does.

Simple.

Shepard becomes Superman and Miranda becomes Wonder Woman.