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[Shotokanguy]

Hmm. I think you missed the point of my post. I was just remarking on the lack of characterization in ME2, really.

I really hope there's more...meat...this time, to my interactions with all characters, Miranda more so than most.

[Repearized Miranda]

Shotokanguy wrote...

Hmm. I think you missed the point of my post. I was just remarking on the lack of characterization in ME2, really.

I really hope there's more...meat...this time, to my interactions with all characters, Miranda more so than most.

I knew exactly what you meant. Yes, her character should be fleshed out more, but I meant as of "right now"? Yes, she's quite the "Cerberian Fortress", but she does let you in a little (even as a Femshep). If they would take this further un ME3 whether she's with Cerberus or not which I believe they will.

[ParadoxAu]

I've revised the scenario somewhat:

Harbinger could use The Illusive Man to set a trap for Shepard. Shepard attacks a Cerberus facility (based on Intel that it held an important weapon against the Reapers), however as Shepard aquires the tech, Illusive Man uses a powerful Reaper Mass Effect field to trap Shepard.

Shepard wakes to find himself Strapped down to an unusual device that appears to be a modified version of the
Collector Pod's. The Illusive Man appears via Hologram and explains that by harvesting Shepard, it will solidify a bond between Humanity and The Reapers, allowing for the ascension of all Humanity to Harbinger. (If Imported, Illusive Man will also reference your decision of the Collector Base).

Illusive Man signals to his Scientist colleague to begin the procedure. As the machine begins it's start-up protocols, Gunfire is heard outside, The Guards looking around vigilantly. The machine locksdown and enters it's final stages of prep. One of the guards catches a glance of the intruder and says "Traitor!" just before being shot in the head with perfect precision.

Miranda walks into the room and shoots the Scientist in the Leg, demanding he turn the machine off. The Scientist grins and tells Miranda that it's too late, the harvesting procedure has already begun. Miranda finishes the scientist off.

Miranda hiding her concern for Shepard, creates a powerful biotic barrier around Shepard using all of her strength she overloads the barrier to destroy the Harvesting Tech.

Miranda says something to Shepard about having to save his life again.

Miranda and Shep share a hug that's interrupted by the station seemingly falling. Miranda realises that the Overload must have interfered with the stations Core, and the station is pulled into the gravity field of the nearby asteroid cluster. As Miri & Shepard enter the Hangar, Kai Leng intercepts them and fights both Miranda and Shepard. Miri & Shep barely make it to the Shuttle before the Station crashes into the Asteroid Cluster.

Shep signals the Normandy and Joker picks them both up. Shep & Miri share a special reunion in the safety of the shuttle, whilst waiting for the Normandy.

It's still not Ideal, There's still some obvious issues with Shepard being Incapacitated. In my mind, this scenario would take place after our first encounter with Leng on a different cerberus related mission.

NOTE - I haven't read the Mass Effect Books, so I don't know a great deal about Kai Leng, aside that he's a
strong Cerberus operative. I plan to buy the Mass Effect books soon.

I still prefer Ieldra2's concept though.

Modifié par ParadoxAu, 29 juin 2011 - 06:32 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Do you suppose we might have some kind of scenario where we have to choose between saving Miranda and some civilians? These days, I'd chose Miranda without a second thought, though it's more because I'm finding it very hard to care about the galaxy at large.

I find it more likely we'll get some kind of Virmire 2.0 situation, only with unfixed team members. You have a number of team members you can send to fulfil two roles, but only one of them can survive.

In your scenario, I'd choose Miranda, too.

[Ieldra]

Superhize wrote...

(1) She’s an independently powerful and competent woman who can deal with her problems – professional or emotional – on her own (note: that doesn’t mean she doesn’t appreciate help). She’s the only female LI character who plays in the same league as Shepard. That makes her a perfect companion for him.
(2) She’s morally ambiguous. Black and white types tend to be predictable – and thus, often less interesting than those with grey morality. Her mental flexibility also means that she adapts better to situations where conventional morality just doesn't apply.
(3) She’s emotionally detached... - enough to be fascinating and refreshing, but not so much as to be unlikeable. All too often women in fiction are represented as more or less defined by their emotions. Miranda breaks that pattern. She can be professional; she can be coldly detached or coolly unmovable. She can also be emotional, but she’s not restricted to that.
(4) ...but does warm up to those she respects and trusts. Trust and (professional) respect are interwoven in her relationship to you. Once you've gained them, she becomes more open with you, and you know that's something special.
(5) She’s a “spy with superpowers”. This combination of power and mystery is irresistible to many of her fans.
(6) She's a woman, not a girl. Her grown-up and balanced personality attracts many fans.
(7) She's unapologetically sexual - and not presented as a sl*t because of it (forget the ass shots and pay attention to her behavior if you don't believe it). That's refreshing because more conventional stories like to paint a woman who enjoys sex - to say nothing of sex in engine rooms - in a more negative light.
(8) She's human. For those who find interspecies romance unconvincing, that’s an important aspect if you want to romance her.
(9) She’s engineered to be perfect. That makes her special in a way you cannot acquire by learning or even character development. While for some, that’s a point of attraction in itself, if you’re a transhumanist you might also be thrilled by the fact that she might be – dare I say it – the genetic destiny of humanity.
(10) She’s beautiful. This point is not as minor as people might want to make themselves believe. It’s not a necessary condition for liking her, but Miranda would be a different character if she were ugly.


Did You Read My Mind?WTF?!

Wish I could read minds:lol:

I collected those reasons from the opinions of people in the thread and my own about a year ago. I think she's a certain archetype of woman people either are "into" or not. Most of the time in fiction, they're presented as villains, and that Miranda is one of the rare exceptions is one reason she's gotten so important to me and why I think it's hugely important that her moral ambiguousness is retained in ME3 and that she doesn't turn into the overly emotional "standard romance heroine". 

[who would know]

[13commander]

who would know wrote...

it's like they are twins 


ahhh ... damn it ... they are actually the same superb woman 

:happy:

Modifié par 13commander, 29 juin 2011 - 08:38 .

[Arijharn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yes.....but that would somehow cheapen the decision. Still, I'd take that over another "resuce Oriana" situation any day.

You know what? I really don't agree. I think it makes it more awesome if a character made some sort of 'independent' decision away from Shephard, and I think if any character would show a degree of independence then it would be Miranda.

Miranda may decide to go along with Shephard's decision during the course of ME2, but by the time of ME3, that's apparently months ago. For all we know, perhaps Miranda's desire to connect with Oriana (despite the difficulties of the situation) may be like Mordin's desire to reconnect with his favourite nephew.

[Jebel Krong]

ParadoxAu wrote...

I've revised the scenario somewhat:

i admire your persistence, but: 

why would overloading the harvesting tech affect the core of the station? why would they even be in close proximity? more likely would be that one or the other would have sabotaged it beforehand, even in the event of likely capture. why would miranda turn up on her own? why would cerberus be capable of capturing shepard but then no alarm or alert or anything for Miranda? wouldn't they just use the field to capture her, too?

this is why i stick clear of writing myself! 

[Jebel Krong]

Arijharn wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yes.....but that would somehow cheapen the decision. Still, I'd take that over another "resuce Oriana" situation any day.

You know what? I really don't agree. I think it makes it more awesome if a character made some sort of 'independent' decision away from Shephard, and I think if any character would show a degree of independence then it would be Miranda.

Miranda may decide to go along with Shephard's decision during the course of ME2, but by the time of ME3, that's apparently months ago. For all we know, perhaps Miranda's desire to connect with Oriana (despite the difficulties of the situation) may be like Mordin's desire to reconnect with his favourite nephew.

independence is great but that stuff is generally shown off-screen: the games are about what you do, not what npcs are doing away from you. then if it does re-entangle shepard and become another "rescue oriana", it's simply rehashing ME2, who wants that? surely every fan wants new material?

[Jebel Krong]

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[ParadoxAu]

Jebel Krong wrote...

why would overloading the harvesting tech affect the core of the station? why would they even be in close proximity? more likely would be that one or the other would have sabotaged it beforehand, even in the event of likely capture. why would miranda turn up on her own? why would cerberus be capable of capturing shepard but then no alarm or alert or anything for Miranda? wouldn't they just use the field to capture her, too?
this is why i stick clear of writing myself! 

• Why would overloading the harvesting tech affect the core of the station? It's possible that in order to power the modified repear tech, it had to be powered directly off of the core.
• Why would miranda turn up on her own? I'm not entirely sure, perhaps Miranda had found out about Cerberus's Indoctrination and knew that the Alliance wouldn't Trust her.
• Why would cerberus be capable of capturing shepard but then no alarm or
  alert or anything for Miranda? IIRC in Mass Effect 1 It mentions that Indoctrination can affect cognative thought. It's possible that The Illusive Man didn't forsee Miranda getting involved.
• Wouldn't they just use the field to capture her, too? It might require so much energy, that it couldn't keep Miranda & Shepard subdued at the same time.

I'm not big on writing Fan Fiction either, typically i stick clear of it aswell. I had an idea, that i couldn't get rid of however..   "An idea is like a virus, resiliant, highly contajous and the smallest seed of an idea can grow" - Mr Cobb.

Posting the idea gave me anoutlet to exterminate that virus! Ultimately, I still prefer Ieldra's concept.

Why did i bother answering your questions if the idea was only an outlet? They were good points for discussion and I'm bored..

Modifié par ParadoxAu, 29 juin 2011 - 10:14 .

[sam726]

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just thought this would interest some of you

[Jebel Krong]

@ paradoxAU, all valid reasons i guess (especially the last - discussion/boredom!), except the first - being the core of the station, it would have safeguards against pretty much that eventuality. even if the reaper tech was the biggest draw, shutting it off would not necessarily feedback to the main system, and if it did, it would more likely just blow sub-systems designed to protect the core - hell we design stuff that way now...

as for miranda turning up alone - i would have thought she'd rope in at least one other trusted crewmember as backup against herself being captured, is what i meant.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 29 juin 2011 - 10:02 .

[ParadoxAu]

Jebel Krong wrote...

@ paradoxAU, all valid reasons i guess (especially the last - discussion/boredom!), except the first - being the core of the station, it would have safeguards against pretty much that eventuality. even if the reaper tech was the biggest draw, shutting it off would not necessarily feedback to the main system, and if it did, it would more likely just blow sub-systems designed to protect the core - hell we design stuff that way now...

as for miranda turning up alone - i would have thought she'd rope in at least one other trusted crewmember as backup against herself being captured, is what i meant.

Even Safeguards can fail though.   You're probably right about Miranda, she would probably turn up with a Mech if she couldn't get any trusted crew members. The concept was an outlet, that served it's job well.

I read some posts earlier in the thread about Shepard's cybernetic implants. I had a crazy theory... During the Lazerus Project, Wilson could have harvested some of Shepard's DNA and sent it away. It is now being used to clone Shepard Operatives for Cerberus.

Modifié par ParadoxAu, 29 juin 2011 - 10:27 .

[Jebel Krong]

i actually thought maybe the female cerberus ninjas may be some sort of miranda clone, but i just don't think BW will do that... a clone of Shepard would be an awesome villain - you get the benefits of having a foil that's the same size, you can empathise with, is a challenge and not stupid and even crewmates might have doubts about going against (& fear), but again i just can't see it being done as BW have steered well clear of cloning so far.

[ParadoxAu]

Jebel Krong wrote...

i actually thought maybe the female cerberus ninjas may be some sort of miranda clone, but i just don't think BW will do that... a clone of Shepard would be an awesome villain - you get the benefits of having a foil that's the same size, you can empathise with, is a challenge and not stupid and even crewmates might have doubts about going against (& fear), but again i just can't see it being done as BW have steered well clear of cloning so far.

Yeah, I don't see it happening and I don't necessarily want it to happen. It would be intriguing fighting a clone of yourself though. 

Modifié par ParadoxAu, 29 juin 2011 - 10:41 .

[Airell]

I think it will be December or January when we will learn more about if Miranda is a temp or permanent crew member. Becouse i think with mass effect 2 , they started the introduceing the characters three months before the release date.

[JosephDucreux]

So...how's everyone today? Doin' good?

Just poppin' in for once in my stalkerish time in both Miranda threads to show my support for Miri (coincidentally, my fiancee's name is also Miranda). For once, Miranda has more support than Tali...which is a freakin' milestone.

Guys and girls, don't worry about Miranda making it permanent. Worrying will distract you, and it shortens your life. Miranda will come back. And...the fics here seem awfully one-kind. They all portray Miranda the way OP(jtav) and a couple of others want. How about some off-duty, more relaxed Miranda for once? The air in this thread is kinda stifling.

P.S. Yes, I'm the former Army Ranger and current criminologist who stuck it to that damn trollfic.

[MisterJB]

JosephDucreux wrote...

P.S. Yes, I'm the former Army Ranger and current criminologist who stuck it to that damn trollfic.

My hat's off to you, good sir. That was a mighty fine use of logic.

[JosephDucreux]

MisterJB wrote...



My hat's off to you, good sir. That was a mighty fine use of logic.

I'm honored dear sir. That is a damn fine gif too.

[t3HPrO]

JosephDucreux wrote...
P.S. Yes, I'm the former Army Ranger and current criminologist who stuck it to that damn trollfic.

Hey there you are! I am humbled at your epic destruction of that crapfic.

[ViSeiRa]

I recently began reading Elyvern's Degrees of Inheritance fic, and her/his imagination of Miranda's involvement in the reaper war makes much sense, Miranda is an operative/scientist which means she'd be more suited to work on the Normandy as a science officer (replacing Mordin) and try to counteract the effects of indoctrination, she also becomes a squad member only in Cerberus related missions and/or when collection samples for her work... now the idea that the effort to counter the indoctrination effect is hosted on the Normandy might be a little far fetched, it'd have been better if like the story it's conducted on a secret research facility but I'm sure the writers can think of an explanation.

If the writers did this I wouldn't care about permanent squad member status at all, as long as Miranda is a vital member of the Normandy team and the war effort against the reapers, and for people who have playthroughs where Miranda died, she can be replaced by someone like Kahlee Sanders.

What do you guys think?

[JosephDucreux]

t3HPrO wrote...

JosephDucreux wrote...
P.S. Yes, I'm the former Army Ranger and current criminologist who stuck it to that damn trollfic.

Hey there you are! I am humbled at your epic destruction of that crapfic.

Thank you dear sir you are far too kind!

[Superhize]

JosephDucreux wrote...

So...how's everyone today? Doin' good?

Just poppin' in for once in my stalkerish time in both Miranda threads to show my support for Miri (coincidentally, my fiancee's name is also Miranda). For once, Miranda has more support than Tali...which is a freakin' milestone.

Guys and girls, don't worry about Miranda making it permanent. Worrying will distract you, and it shortens your life. Miranda will come back. And...the fics here seem awfully one-kind. They all portray Miranda the way OP(jtav) and a couple of others want. How about some off-duty, more relaxed Miranda for once? The air in this thread is kinda stifling.

P.S. Yes, I'm the former Army Ranger and current criminologist who stuck it to that damn trollfic.

You are a Army Ranger,Congratulations, i am a gamer :0