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[AgitatedLemon]

ThomGau wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Stealing a point from a thread in General...

If Spacer Shepard were to introduce Miranda to his parents (Or at least his mom), what do you think the conversation would play out as, and what do you reckon Mrs. Shepard would think of Miranda?

I remember you've made a funny dialogue about it a couple of weeks ago .

I think Mrs Shepard would be pleased to see that her son is in good hands with Miranda .

Huh. I remember that now.

I'll see if I can dig that up.

[AgitatedLemon]

trynell wrote...

For Shepard the most important thing is make happy to Miranda.

Not to sound like a dick, but could you word this differently?

[AgitatedLemon]

No one else besides jtav and myself have an idea of how Shepard's mom would think of Miranda?

[ThomGau]

I posted about it Lemon but here it is :

I think she would be at first suspicious about her given her past with Cerberus .
Eventually, she would see how she truely is then she'd be pleased to see that her son is in good hands with Miranda .

Modifié par ThomGau, 22 janvier 2012 - 09:38 .

[AgitatedLemon]

ThomGau wrote...

I posted about it Lemon

I think she would be at first a bit suspicious about her given her past with Cerberus .
Eventually, she would see how she truely is then she'd be pleased to see that her son is in good hands with Miranda .

That's assuming either of them even tell Mrs. Shepard about her past with Cerberus.

[ThomGau]

Indeed, if both find relevant to tell Mrs Shepard about it .

Modifié par ThomGau, 22 janvier 2012 - 09:43 .

[AgitatedLemon]

I like to think my paragon Shepard would avoid it, but Miranda would bring it up, just to clear any suspicions.

[Ieldra]

Swaggacide wrote...
Will the Miri/Shepard be really deep in ME3? I'm really hoping so

Deep? Perhaps not. But more emotionally convincing on Shepard's part, certainly.

[AgitatedLemon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Swaggacide wrote...
Will the Miri/Shepard be really deep in ME3? I'm really hoping so

Deep? Perhaps not. But more emotionally convincing on Shepard's part, certainly.

Why do you say it may not be deep?

[Ieldra]

ThomGau wrote...

jtav wrote...

Though I'd like to think my FShep counts too. She loves Miranda more than the men in her life. She just doesn't want sex.

 I must say I like that concept of platonic love between FShep and Miranda . It is very philosophical .

Philosophical? You'll have to explain that to me. Why would it be philosophical?

[Ieldra]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
No one else besides jtav and myself have an idea of how Shepard's mom would think of Miranda?

Actually, no. It's not of much concern to me anyway, since I rarely think about family matters and my only Spacer is a femShep. So, nothing beyond what jtav already said.

What I do have is the first screenshot of Miranda in JeanLuc's high-res version of her AAP2 armor. Zorya isn't the best place to show it off, and you don't see the half-visor which has very good details, but even so...... the scene is nice.

[ThomGau]

You don't lie to your " mother-in-law "

At first Mrs Shepard would be surprized about it . Though she must also know thatMiranda isn't part of it anymore .
Moreover, her son wouldn't be with her and love her if she was an " evil person ", she even brought him back from the dead damn it !
All in all this shouldn't be a big deal for mummy Shep' in my opinion .

[AgitatedLemon]

ThomGau wrote...

You don't lie to your " mother-in-law "

At first Mrs Shepard would be surprized about it . Though she must also know thatMiranda isn't part of it anymore .
Moreover, her son wouldn't be with her and love her if she was an " evil person ", she even brought him back from the dead damn it !
All in all this shouldn't be a big deal for mummy Shep' in my opinion .

I actually hadn't thought of these points.

[Ieldra]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Swaggacide wrote...
Will the Miri/Shepard be really deep in ME3? I'm really hoping so

Deep? Perhaps not. But more emotionally convincing on Shepard's part, certainly.

Why do you say it may not be deep?

Because game romances are rarely that. Look at ME2. Everything in the romance that could even remotely be classified as "deep" has been brought up by fans as speculation and interpretation, while the game itself does nothing with those aspects which could plausibly be said to be present. For instance, this thing about Miranda falling in love with the man she's brought back from the dead, and its psychological implications. Game dialogue tends to simplify things for accessibility, which means that as far as actual dialogue goes, things tend to stay at the surface. 

[jtav]

I wouldn't call the romance terribly deep either. Come to think of it, it's got one of the problems I complained about in ME2. Miranda needs Shepard's reassurance, but never vice versa. His dialogue is much better this time around. I'll give it that much.

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

I wouldn't call the romance terribly deep either. Come to think of it, it's got one of the problems I complained about in ME2. Miranda needs Shepard's reassurance, but never vice versa. His dialogue is much better this time around. I'll give it that much.

Fair point.

[ThomGau]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Philosophical? You'll have to explain that to me. Why would it be philosophical?

Well, the platonic love is a concept invented during the Renaissance, inspired by the philosopher Plato in Symposium .
This kind of love is purely intellectual, there is no sexual or physical relationship whatsoever .
It the third and highest type of love for Ancient Greek Civilisation :

  - Eros     ( erotic and physical love )
  - Philia   ( complicity and friendship type of love )
  - Agape ( intellectual, spiritual love )

I'd actually see FShep and Miranda sharing the last two now that I think of it much .
When jtav posted about it, this immediatly rang a bell to me .

Modifié par ThomGau, 22 janvier 2012 - 10:09 .

[AgitatedLemon]

ThomGau wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Philosophical? You'll have to explain that to me. Why would it be philosophical?

Well, the platonic love is a concept invented during the Renaissance, inspired by the philosopher Plato in Symposium .
This kind of love is purely intellectual, there is no sexual or physical relationship whatsoever .
It the third and highest type of love for Ancient Greek Civilisation :

  - Eros     ( erotic and physical love )
  - Philia   ( complicity and friendship type of love )
  - Agape ( intellectual, spiritual love )

I'd actually see FShep and Miranda sharing the last two now that I think of it much .
When jtav posted about it, this immediatly rang a bell to me .

Interesting to think about, if anything.

[Swaggacide]

I guess deep is the wrong word what I really want is more one on one intimate moments between Miranda and Shepard

[AgitatedLemon]

Swaggacide wrote...

I guess deep is the wrong word what I really want is more one on one intimate moments between Miranda and Shepard

You'll definitely receive some of those.

[Ieldra]

ThomGau wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Philosophical? You'll have to explain that to me. Why would it be philosophical?

Well, the platonic love is a concept invented during the Renaissance, inspired by the philosopher Plato in Symposium .
This kind of love is purely intellectual, there is no sexual or physical relationship whatsoever .
It the third and highest type of love for Ancient Greek Civilisation :

  - Eros     ( erotic and physical love )
  - Philia   ( complicity and friendship type of love )
  - Agape ( intellectual, spiritual love )

I'd actually see FShep and Miranda sharing the last two now that I think of it much .
When jtav posted about it, this immediatly rang a bell to me .

I know the concept. What I wanted explained is why fShep/Miranda specifically reminds you of it. You might as well apply it to other deep friendship relationships between ME2 characters which could plausibly exist. Also there's this: while you might be able to describe this in philosophical terms, the reality as experienced by the characters is likely less that. I don't think Miranda is a person who thinks in those terms. Why? Because apparently she also never reflects deeply about her origin and its existential implications, nor about Shepard's. We can plausibly speculate that she would, perhaps, with a little motivation, but Miranda as presented in the game isn't such a person.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 janvier 2012 - 10:35 .

[ClanMacNab]

ThomGau wrote...

Oriana must be extremely perceptive, so she may have sensed that indeed .

In case you romanced Miranda, do you think she'd be happy for her sister who now has that " someone " ?

Yes.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Another one of my Screenshots:wub:.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 22 janvier 2012 - 11:16 .

[ThomGau]

This could be applied to any character with a deep relationship with F/MShep of course .
I took FShep and Miranda as an example because jtav spoke about it and because I like Miranda's character . Afterall, if you think about it, maybe a platonical love between Shep and Tali would be more convenient .

You have to keep in mind that these are just thoughts and pure speculations,we shouldn't and we won't have such things in the game . It is too ambiguous and might even be too controvertial to put into motion .

As for the reality of things, you don't need to agree with or to even know a concept to experience it .
You don't need to think in " those terms " to experience them . You don't have to know about a philosophical trend to be part of it .
Being is not inevitably Knowing and vice and versa . This is why we shouldn't reject any concept or morality just because we don't like it or because it seems irrelevant/useless to our existence .
As an example, somebody may now nothing about this whole concept but s/he can still be part of one of those three types of love .
Of course, Miranda must know about this concept though she doesn't have to aknowlegde them .

I'd like you to explain more about how her origins and their existential implications could condition her into such a way of thinking .
I'm mostly an empiristic so I don't think our origins impact much our existence . Experience is what shapes us mostly in my opinion .
This reminds me of something : " Yeah, he gave you gifts but you can be proud of what you've done with them " .  I hope Miranda would move on from her rather innatist thoughts about herself . She has to embrass her gifts to then forget about them ( not denying them don't get me wrong ) and how these shaped her .

BTW Ieldra it nice having such a friendly and philosophical debate with you I'm going to bed I'll read you tomorrow.
Good night everyone .

Modifié par ThomGau, 22 janvier 2012 - 11:38 .

[Ieldra]

Oh my.....lots of interesting thoughts to answer, ThomGau. Unfortunately, it's 00:30h where I live. I must delay my answer until tomorrow.