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[schemata]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Swaggacide wrote...
I guess the marriage isn't that necessary I just want them to end up and stay together even when the war is over

There are some concerns that the events at the end might adversely affect romances. Can't say more here, you'd need to go the general spoiler group. I don't believe so, though. Bioware has always said they want to give players a satisfying conclusion to the trilogy, and forced endings to romances aren't satisfying.

De-Lurking* Not sure what you mean here, not exactly following the conversation,  Do you mean abrupt endings to the romance, or just saying they lived happily ever after as a forced ending? Thanks

[Ieldra]

OK, I should've written that endgame circumstances that force a break-up of a romance aren't satisfying. That's what this was about.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 janvier 2012 - 09:53 .

[schemata]

Ieldra2 wrote...

OK, I should've written that endgame circumstances that force a break-up of a romance aren't satisfying. That's what this was about.

Writings probably fine its probably me ha, and its late.
 








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I did hear something along the lines as far as LI, like one always lives, one always dies, one you can save and theres one who you only stay in contact with via email and dies offscreen or something.



But yeah other than that, agree with you for sure.

[Ieldra]

schemata wrote...
I did hear something along the lines as far as LI, like one always lives, one always dies, one you can save and theres one who you only stay in contact with via email and dies offscreen or something.

There were always rumors about Thane always dying, which would make sense in a way. No idea if it's true. The the other rumors (contact only by mail, offscreen death) were about Miranda. These are almost certainly wrong.

[Swaggacide]

Miranda Lawson is such an amazing character I cant complete a playthrough of ME2 without falling for her

[ClanMacNab]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

For some reason I'm starting to feel Uneasy seeing Miri in the Armor in Battle now. I feel like I miss seeing her in her Loyalty Outfit in Battle.

I don't know. Miri is a Powerful Biotic with Powerful Mass Effect Fields. The Armor will only bring down that one of VERY Important Traits of Miri Character.

Most of the time I won't let Miri go into a hot LZ without body armor and a good pair of boots. Call me over protective if you want.

It's mostly the shoe thing I think. I'd hate for her to break a heel in the heat of battle. Plus I think she looks pretty hot in her Cerberus armor.

[ClanMacNab]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

^ She is still Flexible in the Armor.

She wore the body armor to my cabin once. It was surprising how many of those panels are so easily removable...

[Ieldra]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
For some reason I'm starting to feel Uneasy seeing Miri in the Armor in Battle now. I feel like I miss seeing her in her Loyalty Outfit in Battle.

I don't know. Miri is a Powerful Biotic with Powerful Mass Effect Fields. The Armor will only bring down that one of VERY Important Traits of Miri Character.

You can get tired of one outfit. That's what happened to me after two complete playthroughs with Miranda in armor. I switched back to the loyalty outfit (modded so that she can wear it at any time after Freedom's Progress) for another two. Now I have the high-res armor and my next game will be with Miranda in armor again.

As for realism, in combat you wear something protective, and something that doesn't yell "I'm a target. Shoot me!" at enemies by being overly conspicuous (too sexy IS overly conspicuous). If the catsuits...

(a) Didn't have high heels
( Weren't made to be intrusively sexy and...
© Covered the vitals,

..then I could pretend fabric this thin can be protective in combat in the ME universe. That would be an acceptable break from reality. As it is, I can live with the loyalty outift, if barely, but on the whole the catsuits are an unacceptable break from reality and the white one is outright insulting.

[ClanMacNab]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@kainee:
Have you ever tried to move in clothing this close-fitting? Unless it's made from stretch fabric and very thin, it's at least as bad as armor, if not more so. And if it's made from stretch fabric, it can't protect, and as someone else has said, wearing less protection than normal clothing would give in battle makes no sense at all.

Anyway, it's not so much the "unrealistic as armor" part I'm complaining about, it's (1) the absolute disregard of the concept of dressing for the occasion expressed by the design, and (2) the cheap way in which the catsuit presents Miranda's sexuality. I say Enyala has a point.
Imagine a woman like Miranda. Would she run around in public wearing something like this? I'd say no. Even more to the point, would she run around in something like this on Omega? The catsuits, especially if worn everywhere, hurt Miranda's image as a competent operative and a classy woman. And the cheap thrill in the design of the white one - drawing attention to her sexual attributes in the blatant way usually found only with sex workers - is insulting. If Miranda was to wear something seductive, it would be something with style.

I find myself in agreement with everything you said with one exception. Stretch armor fabrics in the 22nd century are probably very good. 22nd century body armor materials are probably very light and well designed as far as mobility is concerned too.

And lets face it, I love looking at her pretty face, but there are times when even Miranda should be wearing a helmet, ie: hard vacuum.

[ClanMacNab]

Ieldra2 wrote...

schemata wrote...
I did hear something along the lines as far as LI, like one always lives, one always dies, one you can save and theres one who you only stay in contact with via email and dies offscreen or something.

There were always rumors about Thane always dying, which would make sense in a way. No idea if it's true. The the other rumors (contact only by mail, offscreen death) were about Miranda. These are almost certainly wrong.

It only makes sense that Thane goes down in blaze of glory and not from his illness.

Here's the pic. Two of my favorite characters from the ME universe. Grunt told me he thinks Miri should be wearing armor in combat situations also. I've learned to respect his opinion...

Modifié par ClanMacNab, 23 janvier 2012 - 01:14 .

[jtav]

How do you think Miranda would respond to cheating? Not the ME1/ME2 love triangle but a Shepard who is supposed to be in a committed relationship having an affair?

[JeanLuc761]

jtav wrote...

How do you think Miranda would respond to cheating? Not the ME1/ME2 love triangle but a Shepard who is supposed to be in a committed relationship having an affair?

I have to imagine she'd respond roughly the same as she did to Niket's betrayal.  By all accounts, Niket was one of the last people she trusted and Shepard is in a similar position.  

I doubt Miranda would go so far as to try and shoot Shepard (seems a bit out of character), but there'd probably be a fight.

[ClanMacNab]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

jtav wrote...

How do you think Miranda would respond to cheating? Not the ME1/ME2 love triangle but a Shepard who is supposed to be in a committed relationship having an affair?

I have to imagine she'd respond roughly the same as she did to Niket's betrayal.  By all accounts, Niket was one of the last people she trusted and Shepard is in a similar position.  

I doubt Miranda would go so far as to try and shoot Shepard (seems a bit out of character), but there'd probably be a fight.

I can't even imagine myself even cheating on Miranda, as much as I can't imagine myself cheating on my wife in real life. That may sound like something of a contradiction given the appearance that I'm apparently smitten with a game character, but I've been giving this some thought the last few days, let me explain.

When I first started being attracted to the Miranda character in this game, which actually happened quite early, I started to ask myself why this was happening.

In many ways Mirandas character reminds me of the woman I married almost 25 years ago. She's beautiful, well endowed, athletic, well educated, opinionated, fiercely loyal, a da** good shot, and hard as nails with a hint of vulnerability. She was also hard to win, just like my dear wife. There are also a couple of other similarities which I'll keep to myself. In a way the two of them have melded into one and the same for me in this story and game...what fun!

Ed: To answer your question, probably not very well. For Miranda giving her trust is definitely not a light decision.

Hmmm, neither is it for my wife....

Modifié par ClanMacNab, 23 janvier 2012 - 03:28 .

[JosephDucreux]

If Miri caught you cheating on her, she'd break up with you...


...after castrating you.

EDIT: Which straight man in their right mind would cheat on Miri? Even if you find yourself somehow bored with her (IMPOSSIBRU), you'd probably be smarter than to cheat on her.

Modifié par JosephDucreux, 23 janvier 2012 - 02:54 .

[jtav]

I don't think she'd get violent. I think she'd become icy, similar to how she is when you side with Jack. A cold "Get out." She would never ever forgive you. I think she'd berate herself for ever trusting you. She should have known better.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I don't think she'd get violent. I think she'd become icy, similar to how she is when you side with Jack. A cold "Get out." She would never ever forgive you. I think she'd berate herself for ever trusting you. She should have known better.

That sounds very much like Miranda, indeed. If you're having an ongoing affair, certainly. But I'm not so she wouldn't overlook a one-night stand as a harmless piece of fun on the side.

[jtav]

It's still an enormous breach of trust, and I think that would be a mortal wound to the relationship.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
It's still an enormous breach of trust, and I think that would be a mortal wound to the relationship.

Is it? I think we have different perceptions of this. I've always thought it shouldn't be that big of a matter. Not that I have any experience on either side...

(There may also be some cultural bias)

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 janvier 2012 - 03:21 .

[spirosz]

jtav wrote...

I don't think she'd get violent. I think she'd become icy, similar to how she is when you side with Jack. A cold "Get out." She would never ever forgive you. I think she'd berate herself for ever trusting you. She should have known better.

Yeah, I get that vibe as well. 

[ClanMacNab]

jtav wrote...

It's still an enormous breach of trust, and I think that would be a mortal wound to the relationship.

What she said.

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

How do you think Miranda would respond to cheating? Not the ME1/ME2 love triangle but a Shepard who is supposed to be in a committed relationship having an affair?

In regards to a general affair, I'm sure she'd berate you a bit, but nothing much more. She isn't you, after all.

In regards to cheating on HER, however...

Why would you, anyway? She's beautiful (And well endowed), incredibly intelligent, can shoot a mechs head off at a hundred yards, is a very strong biotic, and is an expert tactician. Least of all, she needs someone in her life to acknowledge her and care for her, after all she's been through and done, she deserves it (More so than the other romances, by a great deal). For her to place her trust in your hands, and for you to break that is a sin upon itself.

You would be a lesser human being for cheating on Miranda.

In regards to Armor/No Armor... I have her wear it during missions, but on the Normandy, she's in her white suit. I wouldn't want my Shepard and Garrus to have a full suit of plating, while Miranda just has a leather or fabric suit while getting shot in the stomach. Nor do I want her breaking a heel in combat. At the very least, the armor protects the vitals in her body, if not her head.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 23 janvier 2012 - 03:38 .

[jtav]

I am, of course assuming that they haven't given each other the go ahead to sleep with others. I think Miranda would have trouble with polyamory, so I'm assuming a monogamous relationship.

And as for why: why does anyone cheat. Boredom, long separations, relationship feeling stale. Miranda isn't immune to being cheated on.

[AgitatedLemon]

There are other solutions to all 3 of those scenarios.

Bored? Take her somewhere she hasn't been, or try something new. If you and her have conflicting interests, try doing the things she likes (And vice versa). (Going to use her fondness for classical music as an example) You could go with her to the next showing of Nielsen's fifth and find out why she loves the adaggio movement so much. If all else fails, then break up. No need to harm her and reduce her opinion of you by cheating.

Long separations? Keep in contact. Skype chat (Assuming they still have that in the future) or something.

Feeling stale? See #1.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 23 janvier 2012 - 03:43 .

[jtav]

Those solutions exist in real relationships and affairs still happen. I'm not condoning infidelity. I'm saying Miranda is a likely to have a cheating boyfriend as anyone.

[AgitatedLemon]

Swaggacide wrote...

I guess the marriage isn't that necessary I just want them to end up and stay together even when the war is over

While certainly not necessary, it'd be nice to at least have options, and only after the game concludes and after the "epilogue cutscene" or something similar plays.

I mean, there are a handful of romances I could see leading to marriage after the war, assuming both parties aren't mentally shattered by the Reapers.