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[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

Those solutions exist in real relationships and affairs still happen. I'm not condoning infidelity. I'm saying Miranda is a likely to have a cheating boyfriend as anyone.

Neither am I, and I'm not arguing against you.

I'm just pointing out that there are other, and typically better solutions to problems than just cheating.

I stand by my opinion though.

[jtav]

There always are.

The reason I asked is that you can apparently cheat on your LI--actually cheat, not just have multiple romances--in ME3.

[AgitatedLemon]

Huh, interesting, to say the least.

If that's true, I guess I'll youtube or look on the wiki to see what happens.

[ThomGau]

As for the cheating. In my opinion, Trust is a sacred value for her, it is difficult to fully earn it but once you get it, she'll do anything for you .
Very few people share such a link with her . A romanced Shepard is one of them, if he somehow breaks this trust, for example by cheating on her, I don't thing he could ever be forgiven .
She won't use violent but a more elegant and cold way to tell him he won't be welcome anymore.

Modifié par ThomGau, 23 janvier 2012 - 03:57 .

[AgitatedLemon]

ThomGau wrote...

As for the cheating. In my opinion, Trust is a sacred value for her, it is difficult to fully earn it but once you get it, she'll do anything for you .
Very few people share such a link with her . A romanced Shepard is one of them, if he somehow breaks this trust, for example by cheating on her, I don't thing he could ever be forgiven .
She won't use violent but a more elegant and cold way to tell him he won't be welcome anymore.

Nothing more than a cold look and harsh words. Followed by her never wanting anything to do with you past that point.

Coming from her, it's probably worse than getting your ass physically kicked.

[AgitatedLemon]

Swaggacide wrote...

2 questions.
What was Miranda doing during those 5 minutes before Shepard came down?
The second question being was Shepard wearing a condom because if not is pregnancy possible?

1. Probably just preparing. More mental than anything. I don't recall Miranda ever having been in a real, lasting relationship before, so the thought of being with Shepard might frighten her a bit.

2. Sterility is a b*tch. She's smart enough to check her partner's med records before she sleeps with them though, so she's clean.

[Dr. Doctor]

I agree with the whole return to the "ice queen" personality. The only thing is that the first conversations with the ME2 LI's (Liara included) has a "Its been six months do we want to try and pick up where we left off?" line where you can avoid any dire consequences.

The thing is that after reading the leaks I don't have much interest in going back to an ME1 LI. Mostly because I don't feel like having to play "Fear and Loathing in Space" My male Shepards did the Jack and Miranda romances and I'm pretty satisfied with what I've seen in the leak.

[ClanMacNab]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

There are other solutions to all 3 of those scenarios...

...Long separations? Keep in contact. Skype chat (Assuming they still have that in the future) or something.

I frequently have to use that solution in real life due to frequent and prolonged travel because of my job.

jtav wrote...

Those solutions exist in real relationships and affairs still happen. I'm not condoning infidelity. I'm saying Miranda is a likely to have a cheating boyfriend as anyone.

I've been tempted by circumstances more than once in real life. Trust is way too important to me to ever allow it to happen to me or my Commander Shepard. I find the idea of playing a total renegade Shepard to be extremly distasteful. That said, a little flirtatiousness never hurt anybody as long as you know where to draw the line and your LI is strong.

...and sometimes it's fun to push the bad guy out of the tower window.

[AgitatedLemon]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I agree with the whole return to the "ice queen" personality. The only thing is that the first conversations with the ME2 LI's (Liara included) has a "Its been six months do we want to try and pick up where we left off?" line where you can avoid any dire consequences.

The thing is that after reading the leaks I don't have much interest in going back to an ME1 LI. Mostly because I don't feel like having to play "Fear and Loathing in Space" My male Shepards did the Jack and Miranda romances and I'm pretty satisfied with what I've seen in the leak.

@ bold- In ME3?

[Ieldra]

ThomGau wrote...
As for the cheating. In my opinion, Trust is a sacred value for her, it is difficult to fully earn it but once you get it, she'll do anything for you .
Very few people share such a link with her . A romanced Shepard is one of them, if he somehow breaks this trust, for example by cheating on her, I don't thing he could ever be forgiven .
She won't use violent but a more elegant and cold way to tell him he won't be welcome anymore.

I agree as a rule. I also agree with jtav that Miranda wouldn't be comfortable with polyamorous relationships. It's just that I have a hard time seeing something like a one-night-stand on a business trip to the other side of the galaxy as a serious trust.breaking misdemeanor. Would Miranda be so petty as to break a relationship over such a thing? Personally, I would demand of myself not to get overly angry were I the one "cheated" on in this way, if that word is even applicable. People take these things *far* too seriously.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 janvier 2012 - 04:27 .

[AgitatedLemon]

ClanMacNab wrote...

jtav wrote...

Those solutions exist in real relationships and affairs still happen. I'm not condoning infidelity. I'm saying Miranda is a likely to have a cheating boyfriend as anyone.

I've been tempted by circumstances more than once in real life. Trust is way too important to me to ever allow it to happen to me or my Commander Shepard. I find the idea of playing a total renegade Shepard to be extremly distasteful. That said, a little flirtatiousness never hurt anybody as long as you know where to draw the line and your LI is strong.

...and sometimes it's fun to push the bad guy out of the tower window.

@bold- Do you mean in real life? Curious, because I don't see many people refer to their real life girlfriend/wife asn an "LI" 

[ClanMacNab]

jtav wrote...

There always are.

The reason I asked is that you can apparently cheat on your LI--actually cheat, not just have multiple romances--in ME3.

It will be very interesting to see if that has any effect on how circumstances play out if you remain loyal to your LI.

[AgitatedLemon]

ClanMacNab wrote...

jtav wrote...

There always are.

The reason I asked is that you can apparently cheat on your LI--actually cheat, not just have multiple romances--in ME3.

It will be very interesting to see if that has any effect on how circumstances play out if you remain loyal to your LI.

Certainly less interesting than the cheating confrontation^_^

[ThomGau]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I agree as a rule. I also agree with jtav that Miranda wouldn't be comfortable with polyamorous relationships. It's just that I have a hard time seeing something like a one-night-stand on a business trip to the other side of the galaxy as a serious misdemeanor. Would Miranda be so petty as to break a relationship over such a thing? Personally, I would demand of myself not to get overly angry were I the one "cheated" on in this way, if that word is even applicable. People take these things *far* too seriously.

As you said, I also agree with jtav, she wouldn't be confortable with polyamorous relationships .
As for the one night thing, I don't what would her reaction .
On one hand, yes it is not that important, there is no deep emotions involved in it . On the other hand, this is breaking a rule of the inconscious contract you make with your partner . Regarding Miranda, as I said earlier, this Trust Contract is even more important to her, and Shepard must have known that when their relationship has started to get serious .

Modifié par ThomGau, 23 janvier 2012 - 04:39 .

[ClanMacNab]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

ClanMacNab wrote...

jtav wrote...

Those solutions exist in real relationships and affairs still happen. I'm not condoning infidelity. I'm saying Miranda is a likely to have a cheating boyfriend as anyone.

I've been tempted by circumstances more than once in real life. Trust is way too important to me to ever allow it to happen to me or my Commander Shepard. I find the idea of playing a total renegade Shepard to be extremly distasteful. That said, a little flirtatiousness never hurt anybody as long as you know where to draw the line and your LI is strong.

...and sometimes it's fun to push the bad guy out of the tower window.

@bold- Do you mean in real life? Curious, because I don't see many people refer to their real life girlfriend/wife asn an "LI" 

Didn't really intend to put it that way, but da** straight, she's my love interest, for life! Maybe something about what you said about keeping it from getting stale. Have you ever been in a social situation where your connection to your mate is generally unknown to most of the people you are talking to? It can be quite hillarious to listen to the flirtatious banter when you're standing right next to your mate and someone makes a pass at him/her and the person making the pass doesn't know your connection. Like I said, it's all about trust.

I see Miranda as that strong and resilient too, as long as you don't break her trust in you.

[AgitatedLemon]

ThomGau wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I agree as a rule. I also agree with jtav that Miranda wouldn't be comfortable with polyamorous relationships. It's just that I have a hard time seeing something like a one-night-stand on a business trip to the other side of the galaxy as a serious misdemeanor. Would Miranda be so petty as to break a relationship over such a thing? Personally, I would demand of myself not to get overly angry were I the one "cheated" on in this way, if that word is even applicable. People take these things *far* too seriously.

As you said, I also agree with jtav, she wouldn't be confortable with polyamorous relationships .
As for the one night thing, I don't what would her reaction .
On one hand, yes it is not that important, there is no deep emotions involved in it . On the other hand, this is breaking a rule of the inconscious contract you make with your partner . Regarding Miranda, as I said earlier, this Trust Contract is even more important to her, and Shepard must have known that when their relationship has started to get serious .

I'll be honest, I don't think Miranda would tolerate a 1 night stand type deal.

[jtav]

I think they could get past it, depending on the circumstances, if they worked on the relationship.

[AgitatedLemon]

ClanMacNab wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

ClanMacNab wrote...

jtav wrote...

Those solutions exist in real relationships and affairs still happen. I'm not condoning infidelity. I'm saying Miranda is a likely to have a cheating boyfriend as anyone.

I've been tempted by circumstances more than once in real life. Trust is way too important to me to ever allow it to happen to me or my Commander Shepard. I find the idea of playing a total renegade Shepard to be extremly distasteful. That said, a little flirtatiousness never hurt anybody as long as you know where to draw the line and your LI is strong.

...and sometimes it's fun to push the bad guy out of the tower window.

@bold- Do you mean in real life? Curious, because I don't see many people refer to their real life girlfriend/wife asn an "LI" 

Didn't really intend to put it that way, but da** straight, she's my love interest, for life! Maybe something about what you said about keeping it from getting stale. Have you ever been in a social situation where your connection to your mate is generally unknown to most of the people you are talking to? It can be quite hillarious to listen to the flirtatious banter when you're standing right next to your mate and someone makes a pass at him/her and the person making the pass doesn't know your connection. Like I said, it's all about trust.

I see Miranda as that strong and resilient too, as long as you don't break her trust in you.

I know, I wasn't arguing against you. It can be hilarious how oblivious some people are, or maybe they know about it and are doing it to be funnyB).

I mean, I can see Miranda and Shepard being fine with flirty banter, but not something like "Hey baby, wanna go back out into the alley?"

[Ieldra]

ThomGau wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I agree as a rule. I also agree with jtav that Miranda wouldn't be comfortable with polyamorous relationships. It's just that I have a hard time seeing something like a one-night-stand on a business trip to the other side of the galaxy as a serious misdemeanor. Would Miranda be so petty as to break a relationship over such a thing? Personally, I would demand of myself not to get overly angry were I the one "cheated" on in this way, if that word is even applicable. People take these things *far* too seriously.

As you said, I also agree with jtav, she wouldn't be confortable with polyamorous relationships .
As for the one night thing, I don't what would her reaction .
On one hand, yes it is not that important, there is no deep emotions involved in it . On the other hand, this is breaking a rule of the inconscious contract you make with your partner . Regarding Miranda, as I said earlier, this Trust Contract is even more important to her, and Shepard must have known that when their relationship has started to get serious

Again, is it that? I say that how this is perceived would depend on the cultural context and the social environment. I would like to think this has grown a little less uptight about these things in the 22nd century. Also, Miranda is a woman who doesn't forgive easily, but she, too, probably has a history of sexual exploits. OK, that was outside an established relationships, but she knows that sex and love aren't necessarily linked.

I don't plan to cheat even with minor affairs in ME3, not with Cyrus anyway, whose mind is so full of Miranda that there isn't any space left for other women, but I'm not so sure of Miranda's reaction as some here appear to be.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 janvier 2012 - 04:53 .

[ThomGau]

Just like you I don't plan on it for my canon Shep' .

Now that I think of it much, if such a thing happenned, they could get over it . Miranda may be able to forgive him but to some extent, her feelings would be hurt .

Modifié par ThomGau, 23 janvier 2012 - 05:00 .

[AgitatedLemon]

ThomGau wrote...

Just like you I don't plan on it for my canon Shep' .

Now that I think of it much, if such a thing happenned, they could get over it . Miranda may be able to forgive him but to some extent, her feelings would be hurt .

She may say she trusts him again, but little does Shepard know she planted numerous hidden cameras in his quarters, on his baggage, and on his suitcases for his lengthy "business trips".

Shepard will wish he stayed away from home:whistle:


In all seriousness, I only play 2 Shepards, and both of them I consider canon (Both are majority paragon, dip a bit into renegade, main difference are the choices they make), but neither of them will cheat on Miranda. 1 of them is fine on cheating on Ashley WITH Miranda, but he feels that death broke off the relationship with Ashley anyway, and he's more "in love" with Miranda than he probably ever would have been with Ashley.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 23 janvier 2012 - 05:03 .

[ClanMacNab]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

...My male Shepards did the Jack and Miranda romances and I'm pretty satisfied with what I've seen in the leak.

Whoa! You romanced both Jack and Miranda?! That's really playing with fire. Kind of like walking on your own grave.

[AgitatedLemon]

ClanMacNab wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

...My male Shepards did the Jack and Miranda romances and I'm pretty satisfied with what I've seen in the leak.

Whoa! You romanced both Jack and Miranda?! That's really playing with fire. Kind of like walking on your own grave.

He said Shepards (Plural), so I'm assuming he meant separately;)

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

kainee wrote...

Also, for me Miranda's combat style is more about mobility and quickness like Kasumi rather than proctection and endurance like Grunt.
Catsuit fits better this kind of combat style IMO.

*snip*

You make an excellent point too. Dammit you're right was. If you think about it, other characters like Kasumi don't use Armor, nor do Jack, Samara, and even Liara.


Miri is not a Commando constantly Wearing Armor, she is a Powerful Biotic, to the point where she needs no Armor, like Samara, Jack, Liara, Jacob.

You're mostly using the Armor because of the Catsuit? Haven't you all realized it? It's the future, with tech 200 years ahead of time. There's more to Miri's catsuit then meets the eye. Yes it's very thin, BUUUT that thin outfit was MOST LIKELY made with the some of the Best Defenses Money can buy, despiote how thin it is. Come on, it's the Future, AND it's Cerberus for God's Sake. No Doubt Cerberus is a MULTI-MILLION dollar Company.

When will you understand that size doesn't matter. Like Obi-Wan Kenobi once said, "Your eyes can deceive you. DON'T trust them...."

Unfortunately Captain Enyala learned that the heard way: She mentioned Miri's Catsuit and horribly underestimated Miri. As a Result, Enyala, "The Asari B!tch," was Immediately destroyed by Miri.

Plus Miri uses her Agility and her Flexibility to her Advantage.

The Catsuit is thin and poses as another skin for Miri, BUUTT, it was Most Likely made Flexibility, Agility, AND Strength. Her Catsuit was made with enough Strength well enough to full the enemy.

An Enemy may think Miri is weak and unprotected in that Catsuit, but the end proves a bad outcome on the Enemy's part.

There's my 0.02.


In the words of Forrest Gump, "That's all I have to say about that...."

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 janvier 2012 - 05:08 .

[ClanMacNab]

ThomGau wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I agree as a rule. I also agree with jtav that Miranda wouldn't be comfortable with polyamorous relationships. It's just that I have a hard time seeing something like a one-night-stand on a business trip to the other side of the galaxy as a serious misdemeanor. Would Miranda be so petty as to break a relationship over such a thing? Personally, I would demand of myself not to get overly angry were I the one "cheated" on in this way, if that word is even applicable. People take these things *far* too seriously.

As you said, I also agree with jtav, she wouldn't be confortable with polyamorous relationships .
As for the one night thing, I don't what would her reaction .
On one hand, yes it is not that important, there is no deep emotions involved in it . On the other hand, this is breaking a rule of the inconscious contract you make with your partner . Regarding Miranda, as I said earlier, this Trust Contract is even more important to her, and Shepard must have known that when their relationship has started to get serious .

@Bold - Exactly.

Modifié par ClanMacNab, 23 janvier 2012 - 05:13 .