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[JeanLuc761]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
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I'm just going to say that Miranda's catsuit was designed because "Rule of Cool."  I don't think "functional" was really part of the equation when designing Miranda's outfit.  

Same reason Jack is able to walk around half-naked with no visible repercussions.  

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I'm not talking about designing, IRL, I'm talking about story wise. You just don't understand what I'm saying, do you? Was I not clear? D:

You have to read between the lines. Don't let the Catsuit fool you.

Dammit I make a huge point, and no one sees it that way.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 janvier 2012 - 05:13 .

[AgitatedLemon]

ClanMacNab wrote...

ThomGau wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I agree as a rule. I also agree with jtav that Miranda wouldn't be comfortable with polyamorous relationships. It's just that I have a hard time seeing something like a one-night-stand on a business trip to the other side of the galaxy as a serious misdemeanor. Would Miranda be so petty as to break a relationship over such a thing? Personally, I would demand of myself not to get overly angry were I the one "cheated" on in this way, if that word is even applicable. People take these things *far* too seriously.

As you said, I also agree with jtav, she wouldn't be confortable with polyamorous relationships .
As for the one night thing, I don't what would her reaction .
On one hand, yes it is not that important, there is no deep emotions involved in it . On the other hand, this is breaking a rule of the inconscious contract you make with your partner . Regarding Miranda, as I said earlier, this Trust Contract is even more important to her, and Shepard must have known that when their relationship has started to get serious .

Exactly.

Write me up there as well.

If it were me personally in a relationship with Miranda (Or Jack, for that matter), knowing her backstory and service history, the last thing I'd want to do is break her contract of trust. Even if she happened to be fine with it, I would acknowledge that she (AFAIK) hasn't been in a lasting, commited relationship before.

I mean, at least Samara had the courtesy to tell you she planned on killing you in the near future.

[JeanLuc761]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I'm not talking about designing, IRL, I'm talking about story wise. You just don't understand what I'm saying, do you? Was I not clear? D:

You have to read between the lines. Don't let the Catsuit fool you.

I understand what you're saying (I think).  Story or not, her catsuit is not a functional combat outfit.  I don't care how much kevlar is built into that padding.  And heels would never work 

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Its the future, and Cerberus has tons of credit. They had to have made that outfit to full the enemy. Miri didn't need Armor in the past, why have her put it on now. They have the tech to distort reality, not be confined in it.

[AgitatedLemon]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I'm not talking about designing, IRL, I'm talking about story wise. You just don't understand what I'm saying, do you? Was I not clear? D:

You have to read between the lines. Don't let the Catsuit fool you.

I understand what you're saying (I think).  Story or not, her catsuit is not a functional combat outfit.  I don't care how much kevlar is built into that padding.  And heels would never work 

Well, kinetic barriers. And biotic barriers. Both of those provide more protection than a bomb shelter.

The heels don't appear to be a part of her suit though, just heel-boots she likes to wear.

[JeanLuc761]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Its the future, and Cerberus has tons of credit. They had to have made that outfit to full the enemy. Miri didn't need Armor in the past, why have her put it on now. They have the tech to distort reality, not be confined in it.

I think you might be missing my point a bit.  Let's say, hypothetically, that her suit is made of some incredible future-material that stops bullets and doesn't cause the wearer to double over in agony due to the impact.  Now try to make something like that skintight.  Now give her 3" heels.  It's just too much for me to suspend my disbelief.  

I'm not trying to discredit her character, far from it, but rather trying to explain that it appears Bioware's design motives for Mass Effect 2 were more about "What looks good?" as opposed to "What makes sense?"  This has the bonus of providing a very unique look for each character, but the hard sci-fi that Mass Effect 1 is known for takes a hit.  That's all I'm saying.

[ClanMacNab]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I'm not talking about designing, IRL, I'm talking about story wise. You just don't understand what I'm saying, do you? Was I not clear? D:

You have to read between the lines. Don't let the Catsuit fool you.

Dammit I make a huge point, and no one sees it that way.

I know exactly what you meant and agree, to a degree. However, I still find myself somewhat protective of her, both in her attire and in battle. I also think she looks great in armor, but I've started to make her lose the visor because I like seeing her eyes.

[AgitatedLemon]

ClanMacNab wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I'm not talking about designing, IRL, I'm talking about story wise. You just don't understand what I'm saying, do you? Was I not clear? D:

You have to read between the lines. Don't let the Catsuit fool you.

Dammit I make a huge point, and no one sees it that way.

I know exactly what you meant and agree, to a degree. However, I still find myself somewhat protective of her, both in her attire and in battle. I also think she looks great in armor, but I've started to make her lose the visor because I like seeing her eyes.

I know what you mean.

I adore her look in armor, but her visor kind of gets to me. I don't know if you saw it, but JeanLuc uploaded a nice high-res picture of Miranda with a half-style visor (trimmed so it only covers her right eye), similar to the Ariake visor for Shepard.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT BIOWARE'S INTENTIONS! I'm talking about Cerberus' Intentions. In Mass Effect, the Technology is incredibly advanced, so I'm reading between the lines on this. Cerberus didn't give Miri that suit for sexual appeal, she wouldn't have been wearing it if it was meant for that. It is most likely an Advance Combat Outfit for Cerberus Biotics like her.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 janvier 2012 - 05:29 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

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Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 janvier 2012 - 05:33 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

And Making Miri sound Fragile with the Catsuit is only Insulting her combat abilities, speed, and flexibility.

If this was the case, then EVERYONE in the squad would have had armor, but it's not. There are some characters who don't need armor, Like Miri. Se was MOST LIKELY trained so that she shouldn't have to use armor.

[jtav]

No, there are some characters for whom making them sexy overrode logic. Like Miranda.

[ClanMacNab]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

ClanMacNab wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I'm not talking about designing, IRL, I'm talking about story wise. You just don't understand what I'm saying, do you? Was I not clear? D:

You have to read between the lines. Don't let the Catsuit fool you.

Dammit I make a huge point, and no one sees it that way.

I know exactly what you meant and agree, to a degree. However, I still find myself somewhat protective of her, both in her attire and in battle. I also think she looks great in armor, but I've started to make her lose the visor because I like seeing her eyes.

I know what you mean.

I adore her look in armor, but her visor kind of gets to me. I don't know if you saw it, but JeanLuc uploaded a nice high-res picture of Miranda with a half-style visor (trimmed so it only covers her right eye), similar to the Ariake visor for Shepard.

Yes. I've started using the half visor mod. There is also a no visor mod available.

BTW, JeanLuc, thank you for providing us with these great Hi-Rez toys. I had to follow your directions to get it to run with my Steam client, but the results are phenomenal and worth the added effort.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

You just don't see the "I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT BIOWARE'S INTENTIONS' part do you?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 janvier 2012 - 05:35 .

[AgitatedLemon]

I can honestly say that Miranda is probably quick enough and agile enough to avoid gunfire. This, coupled with her kinetic barriers and maybe biotic barriers (She doesn't make them in-game for balance purposes, but she can likely whip one up if she wanted to) make her pretty hard to kill.

Like Sentinel Shepard. In-game, he just has shields and tech armor. If he felt like it out-of-game, He could very well have shields, tech armor, and biotic barriers. Gunfire can go screw itself.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 23 janvier 2012 - 05:43 .

[JeanLuc761]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

You just don't see the "I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT BIOWARE'S INTENTIONS' part do you?

Well, here's the thing though...Bioware's intentions are pretty much all that matters.  THEY designed her catsuit to be more attractive than it is logical.  Period.  Full-stop.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I don't care BioWare's intentions. I could care less. I care about Cerberus' intentions. I go by the story, not what the devs make of it.

And I don't give a **** if you call me stupid or dilusional. I expressed my opinion and I stand by it. I will not break.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 janvier 2012 - 05:39 .

[Ieldra]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT BIOWARE'S INTENTIONS! I'm talking about Cerberus' Intentions. In Mass Effect, the Technology is incredibly advanced, so I'm reading between the lines on this. Cerberus didn't give Miri that suit for sexual appeal, she wouldn't have been wearing it if it was meant for that. It is most likely an Advance Combat Outfit for Cerberus Biotics like her.

But I am talking about Bioware's intentions. You can't just ignore that.  If you've read my posts about this, you'd have realized that apart from the silly heels, I'm more annoyed about the cheaply thrilling style of the catsuits, particularly the white one, which appears more fit for a sex worker than for a classy woman like Miranda.

In-world reasons don't matter for how the design comes across, the designers at Bioware made it for the cheapest thrill possible and were aware of it, as evidenced by Enyala's comment. That's what I'm having an issue with. And as for Cerberus, if the catsuit was not made for the cheap thrill (a laughable suggestion if you ask me considering the evidence in front of our eyes), why does it come across that way? By accident? Ridiculous. You'd think a covert organization like Cerberus would be more concerned with inconspicuousness.

I also agree with JeanLuc that the catsuits adversely affect my suspension of disbelief.

And, perhaps more to the point: I think Miranda would never wear cheaply thrilling stuff like this unless she was on a job impersonating a sex worker.

BTW, why didn't you answer me here instead of sending me a PM?

Edit:
Not changing your opinion in the face of overwhelming evidence is not usually considered a virtue. Except among the religious. Some subset of them anyway.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 janvier 2012 - 05:42 .

[jtav]

I agree with JeanLuc. She wears a breath mask in vacuum. No justification for that.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

GODDAMMIT! This is pissing me off. I express my opinion with much intelligence as possible and you all through it back in my face. Why do you all fall prey to what the devs wanted. You're not weak minded. I read between the lines and found and excellent reasons regarding the catsuit.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

jtav wrote...

I agree with JeanLuc. She wears a breath mask in vacuum. No justification for that.

She has a Mass Effect Field strong enough to protect her from the pressure. You guys just don't understand the advantage of advance tech. With their tech you can make the most powerful defense with the thinnest fabric for God's Sake.

[AgitatedLemon]

To be completely fair, Liara and Jack also forego armor and wear masks. The logic behind them doing it is because of incredibly resilient biotic barriers though.

I'm not saying Miranda can't generate barriers (She obviously doesn't do it in-game, for balancing purposes), but it's at least a half explanation. She very well could generate a very strong barrier, given her status as a very powerful biotic.

Same goes for Sentinel Shepard. Shields and Tech armor rule the game space, but in context to the story, he could very well whip up a biotic barrier is he needed to.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 23 janvier 2012 - 05:47 .

[JeanLuc761]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

jtav wrote...

I agree with JeanLuc. She wears a breath mask in vacuum. No justification for that.

She has a Mass Effect Field strong enough to protect her from the pressure. You guys just don't understand the advantage of advance tech. With their tech you can make the most powerful defense with the thinnest fabric for God's Sake.

If Mass Effect 1 hadn't proved otherwise, I'd be more inclined to agree with you.  In ME1, it was very much "hard" sci-fi.  Everyone wore armor; no exceptions.

In Mass Effect 2, every enemy wears armor and so do most of the squadmates.  Miranda and Jack are the two major exceptions.  

[spirosz]

One reason I do like the heels, is this particular scene: Right at 0:06 - 0:10

Now, since we're not out in space, I find her outfit to be perfect for her LM and specifically that one little scene, it just gave such a great vibe, at least for me. Now, me personally, I could care less about "Omg, we're in space or all that other **** that pops up", I understand the lore, but it's not a game breaker for me.

Also @ MEfan, don't worry about your opinion not being universal, who cares. If you find it makes sense and it doesn't break immersion for you, then by all means stick to that outlook, as long as either party isn't forcing their opinion on you and vise-versa.