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[AgitatedLemon]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

^ THIS.....with dessert<3.

With her hat rack and wine glasses.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 23 janvier 2012 - 10:14 .

[CrutchCricket]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Her sterility. Nice plot device you threw at us, eh BioWare! /middle finger

Yeah kind of a downer. I was actually thinking about that over the weekend. It may be that her sterility will never be cured, at least not explicitly in any official work.

My reasoning for this is that the sterility is caused by a "benign neoplasm" which is a nicer euphemism for a tumor.

The issue with dealing with that is summed up in third point of the trope Reed Richards is Useless.

Basically all this high tech/magic in fiction is never used to solve currently incurable diseases because the creators feel like that would be trivialising said diseases and such a thing would be insensitive to people currently suffering from that disease.

So it may very well be that having come out and said "Miranda can't have kids because of cancer" (an equivalent statement to the typical fan), Bioware might be reluctant to handwave it like: "she got better, with science", even in an epilogue. Actually come to think of it, even infertility in general might be a touchy subject.

What do you think? It's not a perfect fit since the trope mostly applies to a more modern-day setting with high tech but I think the current state of those diseases is more important than what timeline it's in. For example what other sci-fi do you know that has serious modern diseases and just cures them with a handwave? Most just say they were eradicated a long time ago.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 23 janvier 2012 - 09:52 .

[AgitatedLemon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Her sterility. Nice plot device you threw at us, eh BioWare! /middle finger

Yeah kind of a downer. I was actually thinking about that over the weekend. It may be that her sterility will never be cured, at least not explicitly in any official work.

My reasoning for this is that the sterility is caused by a "benign neoplasm" which is a nicer euphemism for a tumor.

The issue with dealing with that is summed up in third point of the trope Reed Richards is Useless.

Basically all this high tech/magic in fiction is never used to solve currently incurable diseases because the creators feel like that would be trivialising said diseases and such a thing would be insensitive to people currently suffering from that disease.

So it may very well be that having come out and said "Miranda can't have kids because of cancer" (an equivalent statement to the typical fan), Bioware might be reluctant to handwave it like: "she got better, with science", even in an epilogue. Actually come to think of it, even infertility in general might be a touchy subject.

What do you think? It's not a perfect fit since the trope mostly applies to a more modern-day setting with high tech but I think the current state of those diseases is more important than what timeline it's in. For example what other sci-fi do you know that has serious modern diseases and just cures them with a handwave? Most just say they were eradicated a long time ago.

The reason I'm really pissed off at it is because you can handwave cure the genophage in ME3 (Which is FAR worse then cancer), and there have been hints at curing Thane of his Kepral's Syndrome (Which is also far worse than cancer).

I wouldn't put it past them for us to be able to cure Joker's BBD, either.

And who would be that stupid to see curing Miranda's infertility as insensitive? It's fiction. Science fiction, at that.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 23 janvier 2012 - 09:57 .

[Swaggacide]

I just hope it can be resolved and Miranda can be fertile I would really like that for her and my Shepard

[CrutchCricket]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

The reason I'm really pissed off at it is because you can cure the genophage in ME3 (Which is FAR worse then cancer), and there have been hints at curing Thane of his Kepral's Syndrome (Which is also far worse than cancer).

I wouldn't put it past them for us to be able to cure Joker's BBD, either.

Indeed. The difference is those diseases/conditions are fictional and thus wouldn't carry the same weight, even if there might be analogous diseases in the real world.

[jtav]

I don't believe it should be cured, for pretty much the reason Crutch mentions. I prefer she adapt to her condition. They shouldn't given to her in the first place, but now that she has it, let her live with it.

[AgitatedLemon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

The reason I'm really pissed off at it is because you can cure the genophage in ME3 (Which is FAR worse then cancer), and there have been hints at curing Thane of his Kepral's Syndrome (Which is also far worse than cancer).

I wouldn't put it past them for us to be able to cure Joker's BBD, either.

Indeed. The difference is those diseases/conditions are fictional and thus wouldn't carry the same weight, even if there might be analogous diseases in the real world.

BBD is a real disease.

[ClanMacNab]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

ClanMacNab wrote...

Looks like she's trying to make a baby face. Awwww.

There are some not so subtle changes in Miranda's expressions and reactions to what Shepard may be doing at any given time during and after her loyalty mission and as the romance progresses in every single cutscene. It's that attention to detail that make this such a great game, and the romance so endearing. Of course this happens with all the characters (tough to do with Tali though so they tried to make up for that more in her dialogue and actions), but I found Mirandas facial animations to be the most compelling.

Modifié par ClanMacNab, 23 janvier 2012 - 10:09 .

[AgitatedLemon]

@MacNab-

You can attribute part of that to the face scan. I do kind of wish some of the lip synch with the dialogue was better. It's good, but at times it's a little... off. And noticeable.

[Ieldra]

Yeah, the infertility sucks in a major way.

But I'm not convinced your reasoning is sound, Crutch. Because a benign neoplasm isn't really cancer. It is a tumor that doesn't invade neighboring tissues, you can't die from it as a rule. In most cases it's a very minor problem that doesn't even need treatment. In Miranda's case it results in a mechanical obstruction that should be curable by today's medical tech with a little effort.

And I think the point should be made that the ME medical tech is advanced enough to cure something that simple. Also if it is genetic, there would be something deeper and more intricate than a benign tumor. In that case, the point should be made that if you have technology to bring a human back to life, circumventing infertility should be child's play.

I cannot see Miranda's infertility as plausibly incurable, or at least circumventable - within the ME universe.

AgitatedLemon wrote...
The reason I'm really pissed off at it is because you can handwave cure the genophage in ME3 (Which is FAR worse then cancer), and there have been hints at curing Thane of his Kepral's Syndrome (Which is also far worse than cancer).

I wouldn't put it past them for us to be able to cure Joker's BBD, either.

And who would be that stupid to see curing Miranda's infertility as insensitive? It's fiction. Science fiction, at that.

Exactly. They should take the technology and lore of their universe seriously. Lazarus, the genophage....and they can't even cure a simple infertility? Laughable.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 janvier 2012 - 10:06 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yeah, the infertility sucks in a major way.

But I'm not convinced your reasoning is sound, Crutch. Because a benign neoplasm isn't really cancer. It is a tumor that doesn't invade neighboring tissues, you can't die from it as a rule. In most cases it's a very minor problem that doesn't even need treatment. In Miranda's case it results in a mechanical obstruction that should be curable by today's medical tech with a little effort.

And I think the point should be made that the ME medical tech is advanced enough to cure something that simple. Also if it is genetic, there would be something deeper and more intricate than a benign tumor. In that case, the point should be made that if you have technology to bring a human back to life, circumventing infertility should be child's play.

I cannot see Miranda's infertility as plausibly incurable, or at least circumventable - within the ME universe.

I agree 100%. Especially in regards to the bolded area. 

Now that you mention that, it seems BioWare really dropped the ball when writing the SB dossier.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

OK I GIVE! Miri looks Sexy and Bad-Ass in the Armor:wub:!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 janvier 2012 - 10:09 .

[jtav]

The thing is, I'm almost sure they would go the "unexplained miracle cure" route. And it's gotten to the point that, in fiction, I expect any characters with a health problem to have that problem removed. It drives me absolutely insane, the way the infertility drives Ieldra crazy.

[CrutchCricket]

jtav: I don't necessarily agree that this should be the case. Nor does it completely rule out a cure. Bioware could leave it open and each of us could do so as we see fit.

Lemon:I was referring to the genophage and Kerpal's. Must've overlooked Joker.

Ieldra: I'm aware of the destinction between full on destructive cancer and a benign tumor. But the general public may not look deep enough for it, or Bioware may not think they do. Either way there's an assumption that Viewers are Morons that when coupled with that aspect of Reed Richards is Useless may deny us our cure officially.

Obviously your points on ME tech are dead on. But then again, like the examples on the trope indicate, if Reed Richards can save Galactus why isn't he curing all diseases? In-universe logic is being overriden by political correctness.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 23 janvier 2012 - 10:15 .

[ClanMacNab]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

^ THIS.....with dessert<3.

With her hat rack and wine glasses.

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Fix your pic!

[AgitatedLemon]

ClanMacNab wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

^ THIS.....with dessert<3.

With her hat rack and wine glasses.

webkit-fake-url://E9BD1394-45CF-42BB-A3F1-022A429CEA74/miranda_lawson_0012_by_manuccio-d34y9nb.jpg

Fix your pic!

It was there for like 5 minutes, then it disappeared

I'll see if I can fix it in a minute. You should be able to right click and look at it in a separate browser in the mean time.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
The thing is, I'm almost sure they would go the "unexplained miracle cure" route. And it's gotten to the point that, in fiction, I expect any characters with a health problem to have that problem removed. It drives me absolutely insane, the way the infertility drives Ieldra crazy.

They wouldn't need an "unexplained miracle cure", though the medical details would possibly remain unexplained. I have no problem with that, since being able to circumvent it is more plausible than having a big problem with it in the first place.

*is getting REALLY riled up about the infertility again* Grumble. F*ck you, whoever thought this crap up! &%$§! ,,,,,incoherent rant...... hmph.....tired....destroy the universe later.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 janvier 2012 - 10:15 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
The thing is, I'm almost sure they would go the "unexplained miracle cure" route. And it's gotten to the point that, in fiction, I expect any characters with a health problem to have that problem removed. It drives me absolutely insane, the way the infertility drives Ieldra crazy.

They wouldn't need an "unexplained miracle cure", though the medical details would possibly remain unexplained. I have no problem with that, since being able to circumvent it is more plausible than having a big problem with it in the first place.

*is getting REALLY riled up about the infertility again* Grumble. F*ck you, whoever thought this crap up! &%$§! ,,,,,incoherent rant...... hmph.....tired....destroy the universe later.

Feasting on the author's biotic rich blood will be my final step to godhood!

*Knock over*

Who... What... I... I'm tired. I'll take a nap. Destroy the universe later.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Dammit I LOVE This Photo I took:wub:! I LOVE that Miri and I are a Matching Pair:wub:!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 janvier 2012 - 10:20 .

[Swaggacide]

Can someone please send me a cool Miranda wallpaper please?

[AgitatedLemon]

@Nab- It's fixed.

[ClanMacNab]

CrutchCricket wrote...


...So it may very well be that having come out and said "Miranda can't have kids because of cancer" (an equivalent statement to the typical fan), Bioware might be reluctant to handwave it like: "she got better, with science", even in an epilogue. Actually come to think of it, even infertility in general might be a touchy subject....

Yep.

[jtav]

You know, I'm now semi-convinced that the dossier was created partly to get people to dump her. We have it wired into our brains that children equals future and no children equals no future. And she has casual sex with men who aren't the player, and she doesn't even treat them particularly well.

[ClanMacNab]

Swaggacide wrote...

Can someone please send me a cool Miranda wallpaper please?

A great many of the pics posted on this thread are wallpaper sized. Just take a look at the picture properties.

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

You know, I'm now semi-convinced that the dossier was created partly to get people to dump her. We have it wired into our brains that children equals future and no children equals no future. And she has casual sex with men who aren't the player, and she doesn't even treat them particularly well.

If that was the intent...

... They failed.