82210 réponses à ce sujet

[Ieldra]

Melrache wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

strive wrote...
I think it should be brought up, and the player should sorta influence/allow it to be open to personal canon.

1) I don't care about children. I will love you with or without children.
2) Maybe we can cure it or we can adopt. Lets worry about it after we save the galaxy.
3) We wouldn't make good parents anyways. It is better we don't have children.

Not the best dialogue/examples probably, but I would like for it to be brought up at least a little bit. Since her genetic tailoring is important to her -- I imagine her "line" is a question she ponders from time to time.

Edit:
That would be an interesting choice in a mission where we deal with her father: take the knowledge he used to create Miranda or destroy it. You could even hint that it's possible to circumvent her condition with it.

Mhm, maybe. I wouldn't mind it, I don't need to end the game with Miri patting her big belly. I just want it's said, that it's possible. It would be sad for two of the humanity's greatest, to be unable to have offspring.

''Nothing is permanent, except death'' and not even that is permanent in Mass Effect universe. Everything is possible.

Don't know what you read in my post that wasn't there, but we are in complete agreement about this! "I just want it said that it's possible"  Yep.

[MisterJB]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

http://twitter.com/#...206990537863168

"We don't break 4th wall, so anything in game is canonical... but SB could have bad intel, or be misinterpreting data."

This is what he told me after I asked about the SB dossiers.

Considering that Miranda used the Ipartner to get pregnant and afterwards went through the trouble of contacting a medical center and be tested, I'm going to go out on a limbo here and say that info is accurate.

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

Please no pregnancy. I despise fictional children.

i totally agree, the mere mention would spoil the game for me - mass effect is not about having babies! <_<

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 29 juin 2011 - 07:39 .

[13commander]

I have a question that has been messing with my mind.

How can Miranda be a biotic ?

maybe is something that i misread or some there is wrong info ... but miranda is born a year earlier than the first element zero exposures (this according to the timeline http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Timeline )

Maybe i missed something in her dossier or in the codex ... I have read though some fanficition stories and they say something about a Krogan method to become a biotic that they implemented on her (sorry i can't remember the name of the story and i seem not able to find the link ), but i don't know if that is something based on real info from BW or is it 'fan fiction'.

Any reply is apreciated

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

http://twitter.com/#...206990537863168

"We don't break 4th wall, so anything in game is canonical... but SB could have bad intel, or be misinterpreting data."

This is what he told me after I asked about the SB dossiers.

Considering that Miranda used the Ipartner to get pregnant and afterwards went through the trouble of contacting a medical center and be tested, I'm going to go out on a limbo here and say that info is accurate.

You really believe that's what the iPartners transcript was about? I say that's too silly to believe. In fact, I would've discounted the whole dossier as a joke I can easily ignore if it hadn't included the infertility.

[Ieldra]

13commander wrote...
I have a question that has been messing with my mind.

How can Miranda be a biotic ?

maybe is something that i misread or some there is wrong info ... but miranda is born a year earlier than the first element zero exposures (this according to the timeline http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Timeline )

Maybe i missed something in her dossier or in the codex ... I have read though some fanficition stories and they say something about a Krogan method to become a biotic that they implemented on her (sorry i can't remember the name of the story and i seem not able to find the link ), but i don't know if that is something based on real info from BW or is it 'fan fiction'.

Any reply is apreciated

Yep. An old problem we debated at some time.

The proposed solution - adapting the krogan procedure - is the most canon-compatible solution we could come up with. A surgical procedure by which krogan could become biotics is mentioned somewhere - I think it was in the ME1 Codex - so this part is established lore. That it was used on Miranda is fanon - fan-created pseudo-canon to solve a contradiction in the established timeline.

As for its role in fanfic: The procedure is described as very dangerous, so it is often used to create painful experiences for Miranda in her childhood, illustrating her father's ruthlessness.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 29 juin 2011 - 07:51 .

[MisterJB]

ninja'ed

Modifié par MisterJB, 29 juin 2011 - 07:49 .

[Superhize]

Ieldra2 wrote...

13commander wrote...
I have a question that has been messing with my mind.

How can Miranda be a biotic ?

maybe is something that i misread or some there is wrong info ... but miranda is born a year earlier than the first element zero exposures (this according to the timeline http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Timeline )

Maybe i missed something in her dossier or in the codex ... I have read though some fanficition stories and they say something about a Krogan method to become a biotic that they implemented on her (sorry i can't remember the name of the story and i seem not able to find the link ), but i don't know if that is something based on real info from BW or is it 'fan fiction'.

Any reply is apreciated

Yep. An old problem we debated at some time.

The proposed solution - adapting the krogan procedure - is the most canon-compatible solution we could come up with. The procedure is hinted at somewhere - I think it was in the ME1 Codex - so this part is established lore. That it was used on Miranda is fanon - fan-created pseudo-canon to solve a contradiction in the established timeline.

As for its role in fanfic: The procedure is described as very dangerous, so it is often used to create painful experiences for Miranda in her childhood, illustrating her father's ruthlessness.

This Explained a Lot of Things :0

[jtav]

And to create plausible reasons why her biotics are a bit screwy and she can't solve the plot in two paragraphs...

But yes, it's something both plausible and concrete she might have suffered.

[MisterJB]

Ieldra2 wrote...
You really believe that's what the iPartners transcript was about? I say that's too silly to believe. In fact, I would've discounted the whole dossier as a joke I can easily ignore if it hadn't included the infertility.

The transcript was not placed on the dossier by accident and I seriously doubt that anyone at Bioware tought it would be a novel/useful idea to describe Miranda's sex life (a transciption of her break up with Jacob would have been much more interesting in such a case).
If we assume that the dossier's contents are ordered chronologically, I think the most likely conclusion is that Miranda's Ipartner encounters and subsequent fertily tests are related.

Thakfully, one of the devs confirmed that those encounters happened before Shepard was ressurected so, she was at least not trying to get pregnant during a suicide mission.

[jtav]

I agree with MisterJB. She was trying to get pregnant. Why else demand an absolutely clean bill of health, disqualifying a man for a childhood disease? I think it's likely she had an obsession with naturally conceiving but didn't want the complication of a relationship. She clearly has issues with her creation. Conceiving a child naturally proves that she's "normal."

[Ieldra]

I agree they were probably meant to be taken that way. But it's still silly. Compare present-day scenarios: what would a woman do who wanted a child, but didn't care about a partner except for his ability to father healthy offspring? Yeah. IVF or something similar. Even if only to avoid faked health records, which I would expect to abound in an environment like iPartners. Considering that such things should be even easier in the ME universe, going about it that way makes no sense at all.

Really, Jebel is right. We should just ignore the stupid dossier. Except that it has an impact on her character not so easy to ignore. It must be countered.

@jtav:
That obsession would give her a serious case of insanity. A much more serious flaw than anything we've come up with so far. That you have no problem with such I don't doubt, but I have. And so, I imagine, do most others here.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 29 juin 2011 - 08:09 .

[MisterJB]

Like jtav said, I think Miranda's intention was to have a child the most natural way possible. So, IVF was not an option.

[jtav]

Insanity, Ieldra?  I don't think sge disapproves of IVF in general. But she is uncomfortable with her creation to some degree. Andd I can imagine various  groups railing against people like her. Natural conception becomes proof that she's "one of us."

Modifié par jtav, 29 juin 2011 - 08:15 .

[Melra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I agree they were probably meant to be taken that way. But it's still silly. Compare present-day scenarios: what would a woman do who wanted a child, but didn't care about a partner except for his ability to father healthy offspring? Yeah. IVF or something similar. Even if only to avoid faked health records, which I would expect to abound in an environment like iPartners. Considering that such things should be even easier in the ME universe, going about it that way makes no sense at all.

Really, Jebel is right. We should just ignore the stupid dossier. Except that it has an impact on her character not so easy to ignore. It must be countered.

I agree with this. I guess we won't find out until the game is out, I am hoping for the best, though there's bigger concerns for now. I think they'll take their time to take away both of the concerns, from me. Fortunately it's not the only Sci-fi thing coming out from BioWare within a year.

[Rawke]

Am I the only to whom Miranda doesn't seem like the "stay-at-home/mother" type? Why on earth would she want a child when she has her sister (who was a baby when Miranda took her) to care about and to reconnect to? Why would she give up the life she always wanted (doing something meaningful, possibly with Shepard)? Even with the Reapers defeated (assuming we do defeat them), there's still a whole galaxy full of wrongs to right and bad guys to be blown up. Having a child and settling down?
That seems like a rather cheesy and very out-of-character thing to do for her.

Yes, she apparently tried to get pregnant, but we don't know why. Maybe she already suspected she was infertile and simply wanted proof. The easiest way to test that theory would be to try to conceive a child the natural way. When that didn't work out (which doesn't really mean anything), she went to a specialist who confirmed her theory. Case closed. I could well imagine she just wanted to know for sure and dealt with it.

Modifié par Rawke, 29 juin 2011 - 08:15 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Unless she had issues with IVF or similar because of her own conception. It's very plausible.

She has no problems with bringing Shepard back to life but with using assisted reproductiion for having a child? As I said, that makes her "issue" with her own creation much more serious than it should be.

@Melrache:
Not the only one? What are you.....oh you mean SW:TOR? Sorry but SW is fantasy in space, not sci-fi.

[MisterJB]

1-Miranda could have wanted to prove to herself that she could be good at something that her genes could not have prepared her for. Motherhood.
2-She could have wanted someone who would love her for who she is.
3-She's going to live for over 200 years. Taking two decades to raise her child is not unthinkable.
Aria T'loak has daugthers, for example, and she's still the Queen of the Terminus Systems.

[Melra]

Just because one has a child, doesn't mean that they instantly turn into some soccer moms.

[Vertigo_1]

Rawke wrote...
Yes, she apparently tried to get pregnant, but we don't know why. Maybe she already suspected she was infertile and simply wanted proof. The easiest way to test that theory would be to try to conceive a child the natural way. When that didn't work out (which doesn't really mean anything), she went to a specialist who confirmed her theory. Case closed. I could well imagine she just wanted to know for sure and dealt with it.

Easiest? Uh no.  Easiest is to do one test and get the results a few days (or however long it takes in the ME universe).

Also as Melrache said she can have a child and still be who she is.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 29 juin 2011 - 08:23 .

[MisterJB]

Rawke wrote...
Yes, she apparently tried to get pregnant, but we don't know why. Maybe she already suspected she was infertile and simply wanted proof. The easiest way to test that theory would be to try to conceive a child the natural way. .

The best way to know if you are infertile is to have a child? Yes, but then you have a problem. You have a child to take care of.
If Miranda just wanted to know if she was infertile and was not interested in rasing a baby, she would have just got tested. 

[Ieldra]

Rawke wrote...
Am I the only to whom Miranda doesn't seem like the "stay-at-home/mother" type? Why on earth would she want a child when she has her sister (who was a baby when Miranda took her) to care about and to reconnect to? Why would she give up the life she always wanted (doing something meaningful, possibly with Shepard)? Even with the Reapers defeated (assuming we do defeat them), there's still a whole galaxy full of wrongs to right and bad guys to be blown up. Having a child and settling down?
That seems like a rather cheesy and very out-of-character thing to do for her.

No, Miranda isn't that type and yes, your scenario would be incredibly cheesy and I don't want it.

But you can want - and have - children without being that type. Even more so in the ME universe I imagine. No, I don't think Miranda would give up on doing something meaningful any time soon, but consider this: Miranda has a life expectancy of about 230 years. That would make raising a child not much more than an interlude. She could have both, if fate let her. 

As for why we are debating this: because many players want to imagine that Shepard and Miranda have children at some unspecified time after the Reapers are gone. It's in the nature of things, it comes with the relationship territory. There are many interesting and not at all boring scenarios you can imagine where they do have children.

Again, it should not be in the game but left to players' imagination. But the game's canon should not prevent players from imagining these things for their OTP. That's why we say "I just want it said that it's possible".

Modifié par Ieldra2, 29 juin 2011 - 08:31 .

[Melra]

And I suppose some just want to leave all the options open for the couple, when they ''leave'' them behind with ME3's ending. In my case it doesn't mean, that there has be actual pregnancy in the game, just hoping they'd do something about the dossier. As for the possible wedding in ME3, well.. I don't know, considering the amount of LIs, I doubt it could be done in a way that would satisfy me or move me somehow.

I'd rather leave it out from my personal playthrough, than have some shallow scene, that's same for all with LI's being practically copy pasted into the scene, depending on the player's choice.

Edit: Oh.. well your edit pretty much summed up, what I said about the pregnancy..

Modifié par Melrache, 29 juin 2011 - 08:49 .

[naledgeborn]

Happy Endings and babies keep coming up. Not for me though! Once the Reapers are gone my Shepard will become a Terminus warlord much like Aria on Omega. Miranda will be his lover and right hand woman. His territory will be treated like the Perseus Veil by rival factions and pirates. "Oh, the shame this heaps on those who whine like pups."

[MisterJB]

Anyone else doubts Miranda would want to get on board with naled's plan?