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[AgitatedLemon]

Swaggacide wrote...

I want Miranda not penis

Google some rule 34 for that. Don't need it here.

[Swaggacide]

I'm gonna play some Mass Effect 2 right now. So I will talk to you later Lemon

[AgitatedLemon]

Swaggacide wrote...

I'm gonna play some Mass Effect 2 right now. So I will talk to you later Lemon

Have fun. I'm going to bed.

(Not directing this to anyone in particular) Let's lay off the sex talk, at least, the graphic bits. It's getting weird, and I feel horrible for taking part in it. Don't want to get this great thread locked and some of us banned after nearly 1200 pages.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 24 janvier 2012 - 07:41 .

[Ieldra]

PMC65 wrote...

Not sure if this has already been posted ...

About 10000 times. But it doesn't get old. Miranda fan art at its best.

Edit:
Reading the last few pages......now tempted to stay out of here from now on

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 janvier 2012 - 08:02 .

[PMC65]

Ieldra2 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Not sure if this has already been posted ...

About 10000 times. But it doesn't get old. Miranda fan art at its best.

I love this picture but I originally posted this ... http://cdn2-b.examin...6848519cbb4.jpg

The guys were concerned that it was NSFW so I erred on the side of caution and switched pictures.

[Ieldra]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
That's why I prefer the Renegade romance option. Shepard's not preaching about how Miranda is human like everyone else, he's admitting that yes she's amazing and that she should be proud of that.

While that statement, as others have pointed out, is not part of the romance, it is indeed one I always avoid when doing the LM. I always choose "Live and learn" instead of "You couldn't have". Shepard's resulting line if you take the middle option is "Everyone makes mistakes. I'm guessing that's one you won't repeat." So, he reassures her that everyone makes mistakes and she needn't berate herself for misjudging Niket, just as he does in the upper option. It's important that she hears that at this point. But the upper option goes on to tell her she's like everyone else, and I don't like that one bit.

The romance situation is a little more complicated.

The Paragon alternative to the kiss scene has Shepard reassuring her, admittedly with a line I greatly miss in the Renegade version "Sure, your father gave you gifts, but you can be proud of what you've done with them", but she never acknowledges his statement as true. Shepard remains the only powerful character in this variant, especially after Miranda berates herself with "Every one of your accomplishments is due to your skill. The only things I can take credit for are my mistakes".

The kiss scene balances her self-berating out. Not only does she show confidence, she does so  without being prompted by Shepard, and *he* acknowledges it and agrees with her. "I'm the one who put you back together remember, and I do damn good work". "You certainly do." It's more of an equal exchange - he teases her for being insecure, she comes back with the above statement, then he takes the initiative again by kissing her. She's flustered, but "And stop smiling, damn it" is a great return. They are both powerful individuals here. The Miranda who emerges from the Renegade version is more mentally healthy and more of an equal to Shepard. I prefer this variant not because of Shepard's behaviour, but because of Miranda's.

Edit:
And of course Shepard refers to himself when he says "The genetic mutt the Illusive Man put in charge", teasing Miranda for being insecure about being passed over for a "mere" Badass Normal. He practically provokes Miranda into reasserting herself. To me this comes across as "I dare you to be the powerful woman I want". And she prompty responds. I can't express how much I love this exchange.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 janvier 2012 - 09:23 .

[ThomGau]

I really like the fact that Shepard describes himself as a " mutt " in this conversation . He purposely demeans himself in order to show to Miranda how great she is .
To some extent, despite the fact that he is being somewhat ironic about it, this is maybe the only time in ME2 that he does such a thing, getting off his high horse .

I still like both P/R paths for the romance, choosing one of them seemed to be one of the hardest decision to make for my canon Shepard . 
Now that I have thought of it much, I think I now prefer the renegade one, for the reasons Ieldra pointed out . It is not just a provocative and teasing game, it subtly makes Miranda more confident about herself . Moreover, the kissing scene is priceless and when she says " and stop smiling damn it " I actually can't help myself smiling
But  the "Sure, your father gave you gifts, but you can be proud of what you've done with them" is somewhat missed .

A compromise between both would have been amazing .

Modifié par ThomGau, 24 janvier 2012 - 11:09 .

[ClanMacNab]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...
That's why I prefer the Renegade romance option. Shepard's not preaching about how Miranda is human like everyone else, he's admitting that yes she's amazing and that she should be proud of that.

While that statement, as others have pointed out, is not part of the romance, it is indeed one I always avoid when doing the LM. I always choose "Live and learn" instead of "You couldn't have". Shepard's resulting line if you take the middle option is "Everyone makes mistakes. I'm guessing that's one you won't repeat." So, he reassures her that everyone makes mistakes and she needn't berate herself for misjudging Niket, just as he does in the upper option. It's important that she hears that at this point. But the upper option goes on to tell her she's like everyone else, and I don't like that one bit.

The romance situation is a little more complicated.

The Paragon alternative to the kiss scene has Shepard reassuring her, admittedly with a line I greatly miss in the Renegade version "Sure, your father gave you gifts, but you can be proud of what you've done with them", but she never acknowledges his statement as true. Shepard remains the only powerful character in this variant, especially after Miranda berates herself with "Every one of your accomplishments is due to your skill. The only things I can take credit for are my mistakes".

The kiss scene balances her self-berating out. Not only does she show confidence, she does so  without being prompted by Shepard, and *he* acknowledges it and agrees with her.  "I'm the one who put you back together remember, and I do damn good work". "You certainly do." It's more of an equal exchange - he teases
her for being insecure, she comes back with the above statement, then he takes the initiative again by kissing her. She's flustered, but "And stop smiling, damn it" is a great return. They are both powerful individuals here.The Miranda who emerges from the Renegade version is more mentally healthy and more of an equal to Shepard. I prefer this variant not because of Shepard's behaviour, but because of Miranda's.

Edit:
And of course Shepard refers to himself when he says "The genetic mutt the Illusive Man put in charge", teasing Miranda for being insecure about being passed over for a "mere" Badass Normal. He practically provokes Miranda into reasserting herself. To me this comes across as "I dare you to be the powerful woman I want". And she prompty responds. I can't express how much I love this exchange.

I've been trying to figure out why I like that exchange so much more than the paragon exchange, other than the paragon ending being something of a let down for Shepard at the end of it in spite of what he said, that is. I think you nailed it. It's mostly how they both come out of it empowered and with a sudden realization of where the relationship is headed. Bang, right between the eyes, little or no ambiguity. They both come out of it shining, and Miranda's "Stop smiling, damn it" comment is priceless.

Wondered how I could rewrite that exchange to make it better. Guess it really wasn't necessary. I still think I'd change the one after it though, to create the option to have Miranda take back the initiative and kick it up a notch. But that may be a bit out of character for her. Some more spontaneous unpredictability might have been good for her character, though.

Modifié par ClanMacNab, 24 janvier 2012 - 01:57 .

[ClanMacNab]

[JosephDucreux]

[Ieldra]

ClanMacNab wrote...

Nice, MacNab. I can't quite place it. Where is this from?

[ClanMacNab]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ClanMacNab wrote...

Nice, MacNab. I can't quite place it. Where is this from?

I believe it's from during or right after they are pulling the crew out of the pods on the SM.

Ed: It's from right after they discover the pods just before they pull the crew out of them. Grunt is looking into the pod that has Kelly in it.

Modifié par ClanMacNab, 24 janvier 2012 - 03:43 .

[raziel1980]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ClanMacNab wrote...

Nice, MacNab. I can't quite place it. Where is this from?

I'm not sure totally...but that looks kinda like 'suicide mission' or 'derelect reaper' mission which are 2 of missions I team Miranda with Grunt...the other being Haestrom.

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Reading the last few pages......now tempted to stay out of here from now on

Indeed. I'm wondering if borderline creepy gushing is all this thread has left.

Heh. That was a joke. School kids have skipped rope less than we've crossed that border.

Anyway, I remember a while back I was thinking of conversations between Miranda and Grunt and Miranda and Thane. Let's expand on that. If there had been time to explore squad banter/relationships more in ME2 what would Miranda think of each squad member? What would they think of her? Could she learn anything from any of them or vice versa?

I would exclude Jack in this line of thought because we've had plenty of discussion on their relationship already and I wouldn't want to see another "Miranda vs Jack" derailing.

[ClanMacNab]

The exchanges between Miranda and Grunt were some of my favorites. The exchange between the two of them and Shepard at the police station on Illium was epic. I really like Grunt, especially when he gets charged up and pumps his fist into his palm. He leaves little doubt of what he's all about.

I think that Miranda came to the realization that pulling Grunt out of the tank was a very smart decision. He became a very valuable member of the team and replaced Garrus on a lot of my missions. Grunt paired with Miranda or Thane was a very powerful combination but he was always out front, so sometimes he found himself in the line of fire of my Infiltrator Shepard. Hard to peg what he thought of Miranda (or any other squadmate for that matter), but obviously he thought well of anyone with prowess on the battlefield, and that would include Miranda.

Modifié par ClanMacNab, 24 janvier 2012 - 03:25 .

[AgitatedLemon]

ClanMacNab wrote...

The exchanges between Miranda and Grunt were some of my favorites. The exchange between the two of them and Shepard at the police station on Illium was epic. I really like Grunt, especially when he gets charged up and pumps his fist into his palm. He leaves little doubt of what he's all about.

I think that Miranda came to the realization that pulling Grunt out of the tank was a very smart decision. He became a very valuable member of the team and replaced Garrus on a lot of my missions. Grunt paired with Miranda or Thane was a very powerful combination but he was always out front, so sometimes he found himself in the line of fire of my Infiltrator Shepard. Hard to peg what he thought of Miranda (or any other squadmate for that matter), but obviously he thought well of anyone with prowess on the battlefield, and that would include Miranda.

Grunt: "She's like a cannon. Made out of glass. You made a wise choice in choosing her, Shepard. She'll make you even stronger. Shame she isn't krogan, Urdnot would benefit from her expertise."

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:18 .

[MisterJB]

Ieldra2 wrote...
The Paragon alternative to the kiss scene has Shepard reassuring her, admittedly with a line I greatly miss in the Renegade version "Sure, your father gave you gifts, but you can be proud of what you've done with them", but she never acknowledges his statement as true. Shepard remains the only powerful character in this variant, especially after Miranda berates herself with "Every one of your accomplishments is due to your skill. The only things I can take credit for are my mistakes".

Sadly, can't help but agree with this. I would have given anything for a Paragon equivalent of "Don't get cocky. I'm the one who put you back together, remember? And I do damn good work."

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

ClanMacNab wrote...

The exchanges between Miranda and Grunt were some of my favorites. The exchange between the two of them and Shepard at the police station on Illium was epic. I really like Grunt, especially when he gets charged up and pumps his fist into his palm. He leaves little doubt of what he's all about.

I think that Miranda came to the realization that pulling Grunt out of the tank was a very smart decision. He became a very valuable member of the team and replaced Garrus on a lot of my missions. Grunt paired with Miranda or Thane was a very powerful combination but he was always out front, so sometimes he found himself in the line of fire of my Infiltrator Shepard. Hard to peg what he thought of Miranda (or any other squadmate for that matter), but obviously he thought well of anyone with prowess on the battlefield, and that would include Miranda.

Grunt: "She's like a cannon. Made out of glass. You made a wise choice in choosing her, Shepard. She'll make you even stronger. Shame she isn't krogan, Urdnot would benefit from her expertise."

When does Grunt Say that?

[AgitatedLemon]

I just made it up :|

I thought it sounded somewhat fitting to Grunt's character if he ever took notice of Shepard's romance.

[ClanMacNab]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

ClanMacNab wrote...

The exchanges between Miranda and Grunt were some of my favorites. The exchange between the two of them and Shepard at the police station on Illium was epic. I really like Grunt, especially when he gets charged up and pumps his fist into his palm. He leaves little doubt of what he's all about.

I think that Miranda came to the realization that pulling Grunt out of the tank was a very smart decision. He became a very valuable member of the team and replaced Garrus on a lot of my missions. Grunt paired with Miranda or Thane was a very powerful combination but he was always out front, so sometimes he found himself in the line of fire of my Infiltrator Shepard. Hard to peg what he thought of Miranda (or any other squadmate for that matter), but obviously he thought well of anyone with prowess on the battlefield, and that would include Miranda.

Grunt: "She's like a cannon. Made out of glass. You made a wise choice in choosing her, Shepard. She'll make you even stronger. Shame she isn't krogan, Urdnot would benefit from her expertise."

Was that from Grunt's loyalty mission? Or is that a comment on the Miri/Shep romance from somewhere else? I don't remember it, and I took Thane along on on Grunt's LM as I was influenced by the opening trailer vid.

BTW, Grunt, and Thane, and I kicked Thresher Maw ass (do Thresher Maw's have an ass?).

ED: Do'h !! I just saw your post above this...

Modifié par ClanMacNab, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:40 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Dammit don't confuse me anymore. I don't normally talk to Grunt to much after his LM.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

JosephDucreux wrote...

O.O........<3<3<3<3

[AgitatedLemon]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Dammit don't confuse me anymore. I don't normally talk to Grunt to much after his LM.

I like talking to Grunt. He goes from being a pure soldier who's only concern is killing the enemy, to being really laidback and upbeat.

About killing the enemy.

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Anyway, I remember a while back I was thinking of conversations between Miranda and Grunt and Miranda and Thane. Let's expand on that. If there had been time to explore squad banter/relationships more in ME2 what would Miranda think of each squad member? What would they think of her? Could she learn anything from any of them or vice versa?

At times I thought Miranda and Grunt would have some empathy for each other after an initial period of getting over the cultural barrier, because Grunt is basically the krogan version of Miranda. But it never comes up, probably because Grunt isn't the type to think about such things and Miranda isn't the type talk about it without prompting. It's a lost opportunity, but in the end I don't mind because I don't like Grunt much. He's too one-dimensional for my taste. And he's a krogan, that counts against him in my eyes. I don't like the krogan.

I think the team member Miranda would have most common ground with is - ironically - Samara. Both are self-sufficient women working for a cause they strongly believe in with no or very few personal loyalties to get in the way. Both are exceptionally talented in what they do. Samara about Miranda: "MIranda is undoubtedly a hard woman. She carries many burdens and refuses to share them with others. As it should be." Too bad Miranda never has an opportunity to talk about her. Their difference in ethics would likely prevent them from becoming friends, but I see a great deal of mutual respect.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:46 .

[CrutchCricket]

Great... so do we have thoughts about anyone else besides Grunt then?

Edit: Just saw your post Ieldra. Surprised. You don't like the krogan? Why?

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:46 .