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[AgitatedLemon]

I like Thane's LM the best. The entire interrogation scene is among my favorite in any game.

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Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 24 janvier 2012 - 07:20 .

[Ieldra]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Swaggacide wrote...
@Ieldra2 that's y I love Mass Effect so much it's everyone own unique experience

Yes. Nothing causes quite as much nerdrage and pissing contests as debating which choice is "correct" .

ME is the perfect social satire, if you think about it.

I wouldn't go so far to say my choice is "correct", but it is the strategically cogent choice I think Miranda would make as long as she thinks clearly. Unless she knows more about what TIM will do with it, in which case I would have accepted her advice and destroyed it. But she doesn't talk about TIM and Cerberus.... Instead she uses a moral domain totally out of character for her, one she's never used elsewhere. 

OK...I'll stop now.......old thread regulars tend to get tired of my belaboring this point.

Edit:
A new page? Again????

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 janvier 2012 - 07:19 .

[Swaggacide]

That's cool I gotta go right now so I will be back later

[AgitatedLemon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Miranda looks... Disturbed, to say the least.

Looks like her right eye is dazing off :|

Or She's focusing on 2 things at once.

[MisterJB]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I might add that I'd be OK with her resignation, if it wasn't for out-of-character reasons, featuring some after-the-fact moral taint the Collector base apparently has according to some philosophies.

I contest this. Her resignation has nothing to do with Shepard's decision regarding the Collector Base. You can pick neutral or renegade options in which case she will not say the "betrayal" line but still resign if Shepard destroys the base or you can pick paragon options but still keep it and she does not resign.
The line "Or what, you'll replace me next?" suggests that what made her resign was Harper's order to kill Shepard, the person who had just stopped the Collectors, which makes sense considering some of the earlier lines Miranda has regarding trust.

Modifié par MisterJB, 24 janvier 2012 - 07:23 .

[ClanMacNab]

Ieldra2's Shepard never blew up the Collecter Base.

...stylishly late to the party again.

Modifié par ClanMacNab, 24 janvier 2012 - 07:29 .

[AgitatedLemon]

ClanMacNab wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Swaggacide wrote...
I love looking into Miri's eyes because you see she never wants let you go. That your are the light her life and how you make her.
From the beginning of the game whoever would of thought she would leave Cerberus? That just shows the impact you had on her.

Er....she leaves Cerberus? In which alternative universe? She did indeed have an impact on Cyrus Shepard by convincing him of Cerberus' goals. OK, that will go down the drain to some extent, but it's not ME3 yet.

"Consider this my resignation"?

Ieldra2's Shepard never blew up the Collecter Base.

I know that.

[GodWood]

"Consider this my resignation"

How any Miranda fan can like that line baffles me.

Modifié par GodWood, 24 janvier 2012 - 07:32 .

[AgitatedLemon]

GodWood wrote...

"Consider this my resignation"

How any Miranda fan can like that line baffles me.

Are there any threads that aren't pro renegade or pro Cerberus that you don't troll?

[JeanLuc761]

GodWood wrote...

"Consider this my resignation"

How any Miranda fan can like that line baffles me.

I think it depends on your Shepard's outlook.  I opposed Cerberus pretty much every step of the way so to hear her say something like that made me smile.  

Still, I'll grant you that it seems slightly out of character for her to make such an extreme snap-judgement like that.  

[AgitatedLemon]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

"Consider this my resignation"

How any Miranda fan can like that line baffles me.

I think it depends on your Shepard's outlook.  I opposed Cerberus pretty much every step of the way so to hear her say something like that made me smile.  

Still, I'll grant you that it seems slightly out of character for her to make such an extreme snap-judgement like that.  

He's a troll.

[GodWood]

I'm not trolling and this has nothing to do with being pro-renegade or pro-Cerberus. It's a sh*t line that is completely out of character.

I romance Jack but that doesn't mean I just want her to support Cerberus out of the blue with no significant explantion as to why. That'd be sloppy writing and completely out of character. What I'd want is such a change to be both gradual and visible and a significant part of her character arc.

[JeanLuc761]

GodWood wrote...

I'm not trolling and this has nothing to do with being pro-renegade or pro-Cerberus. It's a sh*t line that is completely out of character.

I romance Jack but that doesn't mean I just want her to support Cerberus out of the blue with no significant explantion as to why. That'd be sloppy writing and completely out of character. What I'd want is such a change to be both gradual and visible and a significant part of her character arc.

I actually do have to agree with you here.  I like that she resigned from Cerberus (free will and all that), but there was absolutely no build-up to it.  

[Melra]

I'll never understand how someone couldn't simpy love that line. It's so awesome and right.

[GodWood]

JeanLuc761 wrote...
I actually do have to agree with you here.  I like that she resigned from Cerberus (free will and all that), but there was absolutely no build-up to it.  

Exactly.

The ability to have Shepard make her question Cerberus and their actions gradually over the course of their conversations then at the end have her resign would've been far better.

Admittedly that would've still pissed me off (I hate Shepard manipulating people to his liking) but it's still better then how it was presented.

[AgitatedLemon]

GodWood wrote...

"Consider this my resignation"

How any Miranda fan can like that line baffles me.

This isn't a troll line.

At all.

Not in the slightest.

I mean, how stupid can you be to like something someone else doesn't?

[MisterJB]

GodWood wrote...

I'm not trolling and this has nothing to do with being pro-renegade or pro-Cerberus. It's a sh*t line that is completely out of character.

I romance Jack but that doesn't mean I just want her to support Cerberus out of the blue with no significant explantion as to why. That'd be sloppy writing and completely out of character. What I'd want is such a change to be both gradual and visible and a significant part of her character arc.

I will grant you that there needed to be more build-up for Miranda's resignation. Not that it is out of character.

[wright1978]

Well there was some build up to the resignation with TIM completely leaving her out of the loop alongside the rest of the crew regarding the earlier collector trap.

[GodWood]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
I mean, how stupid can you be to like something someone else doesn't?

Well that's certainly not what I said.

I said it baffles (bewilders, perplexes) me that a Miranda fan would like that line. It is an out of character line and I can only assume a Miranda fan would like her for her character thus would dislike things that contradict it.

MisterJB wrote...
I will grant you that there needed to be more build-up for Miranda's resignation. Not that it is out of character.

Compromise!

Modifié par GodWood, 24 janvier 2012 - 07:49 .

[Ieldra]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

"Consider this my resignation"

How any Miranda fan can like that line baffles me.

I think it depends on your Shepard's outlook.  I opposed Cerberus pretty much every step of the way so to hear her say something like that made me smile.  

Still, I'll grant you that it seems slightly out of character for her to make such an extreme snap-judgement like that. 

I like this human. He understands!

I understand why anyone's Shepard might like Miranda resigning, and I understand why some players like it. However, it does go against established character traits in such an extreme way that it's suspiciously like pandering to Paragon sensibilities without regard for character integrity.

@wright:
The problem is that I could accept her resignation as in-character if it was based on "I know too much about TIM and what he'd do with it. That's going to be more risk than benefit to humanity." But it isn't. If you consider her betrayal line, It is a moral judgment made in a moral domain that isn't even based on actual harm but on notions of the sacred, against a strategic reasoning that suggests that unless new facts materialize, it would be highly useful to keep the base. That's so totally not Miranda that I can't see any defense of it as valid.

(At least you can get her resignation without the "betrayal" line. That's at least bearable. The downside is now that you've got *no* explanation for her radical change of allegiance)

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 janvier 2012 - 08:00 .

[kainee]

I love this line. 

[AgitatedLemon]

wright1978 wrote...

Well there was some build up to the resignation with TIM completely leaving her out of the loop alongside the rest of the crew regarding the earlier collector trap.

I'm not sure if that constitutes as build up, more so than just concerns.

I'm not saying anything for or against it.

[AgitatedLemon]

kainee wrote...

I love this line. 

I do too.

I think it would have fit better though if Miranda brought up or otherwise mentioned TIM repeatedly sending them into traps. Just some extra details put into her dialogue would have fleshed it out better.

At face value, it's fairly shallow.

[Ieldra]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

kainee wrote...

I love this line. 

I do too.

I think it would have fit better though if Miranda brought up or otherwise mentioned TIM repeatedly sending them into traps. Just some extra details put into her dialogue would have fleshed it out better.

At face value, it's fairly shallow.

Any reasoning about the base would need to include its possible strategic value. She may find it not worth the risk, but It's impossible to imagine that it wouldn't figure into her reasoning at all.

[AgitatedLemon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

kainee wrote...

I love this line. 

I do too.

I think it would have fit better though if Miranda brought up or otherwise mentioned TIM repeatedly sending them into traps. Just some extra details put into her dialogue would have fleshed it out better.

At face value, it's fairly shallow.

Any reasoning about the base would need to include its possible strategic value. She may find it not worth the risk, but It's impossible to imagine that it wouldn't figure into her reasoning at all.

Something as simple as-

M: "He knowingly threw us into traps and risked the lives of our entire crew. I don't know if I can really trust the Illusive Man any more, Shepard. There's no saying what he'll do with this base. I can see the potential value of preserving the technology here, but in the hands of someone like the Illusive Man, it's too dangerous. I think it's best you destroy it."

Or something similar would be good.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 24 janvier 2012 - 08:07 .