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[jtav]

Right. She feels plenty, but she isn't demonstrative as a rule. It's a big deal when she cries. The death of a loved one definitely warrants it, but I have a really hard time seeing a full-scale breakdown from any cast member except Tali under *extreme* duress.

Side note: Miranda takes being dumped rather well. She audibly retreats back into her shell, but didn't make me feel like I kicked a puppy. I like that.

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Emotion can be controlled.

Miranda will control her emotions in public. I think even in private she'll have some measure of control. She would likely cry but I doubt she'll be rendered catatonic by grief.

That's what I meant.

@101:
That picture never gets old

Edit:
jtav, which Shepard is that who just dumped Miranda. Or was it just an experiment?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 janvier 2012 - 04:17 .

[jtav]

Matt, actually. I'm switching him over to Tali. Looking at his P/R score really brought home how idealistic he is. Why do you ask?

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

Matt, actually. I'm switching him over to Tali. Looking at his P/R score really brought home how idealistic he is. Why do you ask?

I'm genuinely shocked. To the point of wondering whether your account's been hacked.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 26 janvier 2012 - 04:41 .

[jtav]

No, it hasn't. But I've dreamed up a Shepard that I think suits Miranda better.

[MisterJB]

On the subject of Miranda grieving for Shepard, I'd prefer seeing her go to great lengths to finance the Lazarus Project 2.0.

[naledgeborn]

Hate to get all philosophical on here, but Lazarus can be a curse as much as a gift. A scientific breakthrough of that scale would be... amazing is an understatement. However it would severely cheapen the value we as human beings put on life. Rules and ethics all go out the window when society becomes immortal in that sense. People will start killing each other left in right with complete disregard of the consequences because they can always be "brought back to life". That's not a future I'd look forward to.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 26 janvier 2012 - 05:03 .

[AgitatedLemon]

naledgeborn wrote...

Hate to get all philosophical on here, but Lazarus can be a curse as much as a gift. A scientific breakthrough of that scale would be... amazing is an understatement. However it would severely cheapen the value we as human beings put on life. Rules and ethics all go out the window when society becomes immortal in that sense. People will start killing each other left in right with complete disregard of the consequences because they can always be "brought back to life". That's not a future I'd look forward to.

For some reason, this reminds me of the Furons from DAH.

Only, it isn't proverbial immortality, it's rampant cloning. Same basic principle though.

[MisterJB]

On the other hand, if the technology could be made acessible to all, it could make murders and wars pointless, a thing of the past.
And as long as we keep treating "temporary murder" as a serious crime, people would not be able to "kill" without fearing consequences like incarceration.

Modifié par MisterJB, 26 janvier 2012 - 05:10 .

[AgitatedLemon]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

... I'll admit, I'd do it once or twice. After all, her luscious backside is just asking for a playful spanking.

And explain these "noises" you speak of.

Very perverted ones of utter satisfaction as I do a Lonely Island.

Please elaborate.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 26 janvier 2012 - 05:19 .

[ThomGau]

Sure Lazarus would force us to make a tremendous reconsideration regarding the value of life .
Though I don't thing such a technology would apply to mondain people, rather an extremely wealthy minority as evidenced by the billions spent to bring back Shepard to life .

People would kill each other without moral jugment . However, this makes me think of another question : What would be the point of killing somebody if he could be brought back to life ?
Just for the thrill of it maybe, which wouldn't be that exciting anymore .

Modifié par ThomGau, 26 janvier 2012 - 05:15 .

[MisterJB]

ThomGau wrote...
Though I don't thing such a technology would apply to mondain people, rather a extremely welthy minority as evidenced by the billions spent to bring back Shepard to life .

That's one of the things I would be absolutely thrilled about if it was in the ME3 epilogue. Miranda Lawson making what was once impossible mundane.

Of course, even if ressurection became as common as taking a pill, it wouldn't take long before someone figured out how to make it permanent again.
Humans are crafty like that.

[AgitatedLemon]

IIRC, they needed Shepard's skeleton (relatively) intact, as seen by the loading screens (If those are to be trusted).

So I would assume the easiest way to perma kill someone is just to lop off all of the victim's limbs, then scatter them. Or just sabotage the mini Lazarus. Or destroy the body so thoroughly that it's unsalvageable.

Why do I have these ideas?

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
Of course, even if ressurection became as common as taking a pill, it wouldn't take long before someone figured out how to make it permanent again.
Humans are crafty like that.

Not long? Try less than a second. All you have to do is completely destroy the body. Or hell, just the brain. Nothing to "revive" then.
 Edit: Bah  to your Lemon.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 26 janvier 2012 - 05:25 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Matt, actually. I'm switching him over to Tali. Looking at his P/R score really brought home how idealistic he is. Why do you ask?

Just curious. I couldn't imagine that you'd let Matt dump Miranda. His story is almost complete. Do I need to copy Shadow War to my disk so I don't lose it? I like it quite a bit and would hate to see it taken down.

[ThomGau]

I like that idea of Miranda making Lazarus mundane ( not mondain sorry >< ) in an ME3 epilogue, as well .

Though that would be like opening Pandora's Box, there would be huge consequences to assume for mankind . But well, I guess it was already opened with Shepard himself .

Edit : As for destroying completely the body, that would be a solution . Indeed, Lazarus didn't recovered Shepard's memory and brain which were somehow preserved .
This would be against all religious principles, however, imagine a technology with which you could digitize human's memory, and give a whole new body to that "memory" .

Modifié par ThomGau, 26 janvier 2012 - 05:33 .

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
Of course, even if ressurection became as common as taking a pill, it wouldn't take long before someone figured out how to make it permanent again.
Humans are crafty like that.

Not long? Try less than a second. All you have to do is completely destroy the body. Or hell, just the brain. Nothing to "revive" then.

Fast-growing clone body + regular brain backups through a greybox. Problem solved. You'll lose some continuity, but that's about it.

[AgitatedLemon]

I don't think a graybox would work. They were meant to treat people with Alzheimer's, not store a persons entire lifetime (via conveniently edited video) in memory form.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 26 janvier 2012 - 05:32 .

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Fast-growing clone body + regular brain backups through a greybox. Problem solved. You'll lose some continuity, but that's about it.

Is it specifically stated that a gray box completely backs up your brain? It sounds more like extra storage from what I remember. And how far along is cloning in ME anyway? It exists because Shepard asks about it but I don't know if it's up to Star Wars level "fast cloning".

Not to mention the whole metaphysical problems of is it still "you"? Or just a clone with your memories?

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 26 janvier 2012 - 05:32 .

[AgitatedLemon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Fast-growing clone body + regular brain backups through a greybox. Problem solved. You'll lose some continuity, but that's about it.

Is it specifically stated that a gray box completely backs up your brain? It sounds more like extra storage from what I remember. And how far along is cloning in ME anyway? It exists because Shepard asks about it but I don't know if it's up to Star Wars level "fast cloning".

Not to mention the whole metaphysical problems of is it still "you"? Or just a clone with your memories?

Going to go out on a limb and say that it isn't very far. At least, not on Star Wars' level. IIRC, we haven't seen any cloned people, or heard any stories about it, aside from a few passing mentions.

That, and people seem to stay gone and never mentioned again after they die.

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Fast-growing clone body + regular brain backups through a greybox. Problem solved. You'll lose some continuity, but that's about it.

Is it specifically stated that a gray box completely backs up your brain? It sounds more like extra storage from what I remember. And how far along is cloning in ME anyway? It exists because Shepard asks about it but I don't know if it's up to Star Wars level "fast cloning".

Fast-growing clones in the ME universe: Okeer's krogan. About the graybox: that's not explicitly mentioned, but the description suggests that it can be developed into such a device.

Not to mention the whole metaphysical problems of is it still "you"? Or just a clone with your memories?

We already have that problem with Shepard. Shepard was brain dead and at least part of her/his memories must be reconstructed. Continuity of identity was lost.

@AgitatedLemon:
The tech isn't as far developed of course. But I didn't talk about the present but the future. Things don't appear to be that far away.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 janvier 2012 - 05:39 .

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Fast-growing clones in the ME universe: Okeer's krogan. About the graybox: that's not explicitly mentioned, but the description suggests that it can be developed into such a device.

The krogan are much more robust physically. It may be that fast-cloning them may be easier. Though considering how unstable the tank-borns are, I don't find this too viable. At least not yet.

We already have that problem with Shepard. Shepard was brain dead and at least part of her/his memories must be reconstructed. Continuity of identity was lost.

Shepard was reconstructed, not regrown. You have some physical continuity. Doesn't really address the entirety of the identity problem. But I'd say it's still significantly different from straight-up cloning.

But anyway I agree all this makes for fascinating possibilities in the future.

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...
Right. She feels plenty, but she isn't demonstrative as a rule. It's a big deal when she cries. The death of a loved one definitely warrants it, but I have a really hard time seeing a full-scale breakdown from any cast member except Tali under *extreme* duress.

Jack's romance scene?

[jtav]

Forgot about that. Her too.

Actually, I suspect Miranda would get stuck in the anger stage of grief for a long time.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

What type of art do you think Miri Likes? Would she like Renaissance art?