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[Dr. Doctor]

On the subject of Lazarus tech, it gets brought up again in ME3...and apparently what we thought happened with the Lazarus Project and what actually happened are two different things. It's not quite defined what the plot twist is but it sounds like its something big.

[ClanMacNab]

The Lazarus project opens up a can of worms for religionists of every stripe, and it was intended to do so. The fundamental question is how the concept of soul fits into the puzzle. This question has been explored in depth by writers from Plato to Bradbury and it won't ever stop as long as the question is unanswered.

A Christain could look at the story and conclude that the brain dead Shepard's mission in life wasn't over in the Creators eyes and his soul was returned to him when he was brought back by Miranda who was in her own way fulfilling His will.

A Hindu might say Shepard just found his soul had made a full circle and ended up right back in his own formerly dead body, his soul just given a new start to continue his eternal mission in a different spin on reincarnation.

A Taoist would probably say, it's all relative, just go with the flow, and try to continue the journey in the most fluid and harmonious way that you can, Shepard.

Some would just say we have no soul and are just the sums of our one life's experience, just a data core to be downloaded and re-uploaded. "Science!"

These choices and many more are there for the person experiencing the story.

Modifié par ClanMacNab, 26 janvier 2012 - 06:44 .

[ClanMacNab]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

On the subject of Lazarus tech, it gets brought up again in ME3...and apparently what we thought happened with the Lazarus Project and what actually happened are two different things. It's not quite defined what the plot twist is but it sounds like its something big.

Looking forward to seeing what that turns out to be. Some of us had an idea what that twist would be even before seeing the leaked material. It will be interesting to see how right or wrong we were about it.

[ThomGau]

Agreed MacNab .

I always wanted to see someone actually asking Shepard about his condition in ME2 : " What was it like, being dead ? "
I fear an answer from Shepard to this would have been too controversial for the writers to write .

[Swaggacide]

But I would think with space travel and alien species and with such advanced technology that religious people would be welcome to such an idea. Of course with so many religions and viewpoints and i won't pretend like I know what every wants but people to back to life I believe would only help young to middle age people I can't see the Lazarus Project benefitting like an 89 year old man who did from I disease bring brought back because would still old and still that disease. Or maybe anyone with a disease such s little kid with cancer who recently died, if he were brought back he would still have cancer essentially making that pointless. So really the Lazarus project would only benefit people who died unnatural deaths.

[MisterJB]

edit: nevermind.

Modifié par MisterJB, 26 janvier 2012 - 06:55 .

[Dr. Doctor]

@ThomGau

It gets brought up in ME3, but Shepard isn't saying anything.

What really interests me is that there's quite a bit of questions about the role of technology in the ME universe, mostly in ME2. Mordin does say that sometimes having advanced technology doesn't mean that civilization is ready to use it. Yes Lazarus tech does exist, yes it could revolutionize the way that we view life but I don't really think that humanity, or any race is ready for that quite yet.

I'd actually think that's what a successor to Cerberus would be like, a group sort of like Asmov's Foundation seeking to improve our civilization to the point where technologies like Lazarus can be made commonplace. Think of the Serif ending from Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

[ThomGau]

I know Doctor, I just feared I might spread spoilers by saying it explicitly . Thanks anyway

Modifié par ThomGau, 26 janvier 2012 - 07:13 .

[Ieldra]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
I'd actually think that's what a successor to Cerberus would be like, a group sort of like Asmov's Foundation seeking to improve our civilization to the point where technologies like Lazarus can be made commonplace. Think of the Serif ending from Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Actually that's more like the Illuminati Ending. Maintain exclusive control over technological development until you think the rest of humanity is ready for it. Chances are you'll get used to having that power and never release the technology.

I say the appropriate use of technology is only learned by experiencing it. If we wait for our ethics to be ready for it *before* we start to use it, then we'll never be ready. DXHR's Sarif ending risks that we learn by experience. Painful experience, if need be. But we'll come out the stronger for it.

And the organization we envision Miranda to lead after the war, whatever it's called, would have the task of developing and distributing such controversial technologies. Pull humanity into the future, kicking and screaming if need be. 

[Ieldra]

As for religions, there are different religions with different levels of adaptability. Catholicism, in spite of its dogmatic stance in certain rather silly matters, has always had a strong intellectual tradition I can see playing a role in adapting to some of the controversial technologies, though Lazarus may present a special problem. And Buddhism would probably have no problem with new technologies at all.

[AgitatedLemon]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

What type of art do you think Miri Likes? Would she like Renaissance art?

I could definitely see Miranda admiring some Renaissance pieces, yes.

Part of me wonders now what genre of cinema Miranda would like, if any.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 26 janvier 2012 - 07:29 .

[Ieldra]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
What type of art do you think Miri Likes? Would she like Renaissance art?

I could definitely see Miranda admiring some Renaissance pieces, yes.

Tbh, I think she'd go more for expressionism. Not that I like that one bit, but it seems to fit her. Nontraditional aesthetics appear to appeal to her if her taste in music is any indication. 

But I can also see her as being eclectic with no specific preference.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 janvier 2012 - 07:29 .

[Swaggacide]

I have always wonder does Miranda fall in love with Shepard?

[jtav]

*cynical answer* Because you clicked the "I want a romance option."

Beyond that, Miranda is attracted to competence and physical prowess and Shep has that in spades.

[AgitatedLemon]

Swaggacide wrote...

I have always wonder does Miranda fall in love with Shepard?

... Yes? Assuming romance.


edit: F**king BSN and pictures.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 26 janvier 2012 - 07:40 .

[MACharlie1]

Ieldra2 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
What type of art do you think Miri Likes? Would she like Renaissance art?

I could definitely see Miranda admiring some Renaissance pieces, yes.

Tbh, I think she'd go more for expressionism. Not that I like that one bit, but it seems to fit her. Nontraditional aesthetics appear to appeal to her if her taste in music is any indication. 

But I can also see her as being eclectic with no specific preference.

I can actually agree.

The Renaissance (and the following Baroque period) had an obsession with perfection - perfectly photorealistic. Perfect scultures - perfect Greecian bodies on sculptures. Skin perfectly smooth and delicate. Fabrics all styled after the finest silks. I would imagine Miranda would have a natural aversion to such "perfection" considering her own design. Her daddy probably likes the Renaissance though. 

[jtav]

Sorry misread the question.

I don't think any of the romances have progressed to love properly so called, but the relationship is on track for it.

[Swaggacide]

@jtav
So does that mean she would go for a FemShep as well?

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

Sorry misread the question.

I don't think any of the romances have progressed to love properly so called, but the relationship is on track for it.

Pre-existing ME1 romances appear to have progressed to that point already, if Ashley's dialogue on Horizon or Liara are to be taken literally.

[jtav]

The game implies she's heterosexual, but she's the easiest for me to see as developing an interest in fShep because her dialogue is gender-neutral and her romance dialogue is 100% prompted by the player. "You never asked" is legitimate.

[Swaggacide]

Will the "Bring Down The Sky" DLC from ME1 affect ME3 at all?

[Ieldra]

Swaggacide wrote...
Will the "Bring Down The Sky" DLC from ME1 affect ME3 at all?

Yes.

[Swaggacide]

Ok good

[Swaggacide]

Just completes my 100% playthrough of ME2. I'm ready to import to ME3

[MisterJB]

On the subject of "Bring Down the Sky", what do you think Miranda would do?
I say, she would sacrifice the hostages and kill Balak once she realizes he won't say anything about this "Batarian Revolution".