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[Swaggacide]

I agree JB

[Td1984]

Swaggacide wrote...

Will the "Bring Down The Sky" DLC from ME1 affect ME3 at all?

I got the Platinum Version of ME1 for my 360 and that was the only DLC that worked (Pinnacle Station didn't- I even tried uninstalling and re-installing it).

[AgitatedLemon]

Don't ask me why I'm imagining this, but if you could compare Shepard and Miranda to a superhero (Or heroes), who would they be?

[Shepherd10]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...
I'd actually think that's what a successor to Cerberus would be like, a group sort of like Asmov's Foundation seeking to improve our civilization to the point where technologies like Lazarus can be made commonplace. Think of the Serif ending from Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Actually that's more like the Illuminati Ending. Maintain exclusive control over technological development until you think the rest of humanity is ready for it. Chances are you'll get used to having that power and never release the technology.

I say the appropriate use of technology is only learned by experiencing it. If we wait for our ethics to be ready for it *before* we start to use it, then we'll never be ready. DXHR's Sarif ending risks that we learn by experience. Painful experience, if need be. But we'll come out the stronger for it.

And the organization we envision Miranda to lead after the war, whatever it's called, would have the task of developing and distributing such controversial technologies. Pull humanity into the future, kicking and screaming if need be. 

If that's the so called "future of humanity", then you can count me out.

[AgitatedLemon]

Shepherd10 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...
I'd actually think that's what a successor to Cerberus would be like, a group sort of like Asmov's Foundation seeking to improve our civilization to the point where technologies like Lazarus can be made commonplace. Think of the Serif ending from Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Actually that's more like the Illuminati Ending. Maintain exclusive control over technological development until you think the rest of humanity is ready for it. Chances are you'll get used to having that power and never release the technology.

I say the appropriate use of technology is only learned by experiencing it. If we wait for our ethics to be ready for it *before* we start to use it, then we'll never be ready. DXHR's Sarif ending risks that we learn by experience. Painful experience, if need be. But we'll come out the stronger for it.

And the organization we envision Miranda to lead after the war, whatever it's called, would have the task of developing and distributing such controversial technologies. Pull humanity into the future, kicking and screaming if need be. 

If that's the so called "future of humanity", then you can count me out.

I kinda/sorta agree, somewhat basing my view off of the salarians "uplifting" the krogan. I'll let Mordin and his dialogue explain, he does a good job.

[Shepherd10]

Ieldra2 wrote...

As for religions, there are different religions with different levels of adaptability. Catholicism, in spite of its dogmatic stance in certain rather silly matters, has always had a strong intellectual tradition I can see playing a role in adapting to some of the controversial technologies, though Lazarus may present a special problem. And Buddhism would probably have no problem with new technologies at all.

Yet another self-righteous, arrogant, and hypocritical Protestant making more snide remarks about the Roman Catholic Church. That never gets old. Because we all know that Protestantism is the way to go if you want to be free of sin. 

[Ieldra]

Shepherd10 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
As for religions, there are different religions with different levels of adaptability. Catholicism, in spite of its dogmatic stance in certain rather silly matters, has always had a strong intellectual tradition I can see playing a role in adapting to some of the controversial technologies, though Lazarus may present a special problem. And Buddhism would probably have no problem with new technologies at all.

Yet another self-righteous, arrogant, and hypocritical Protestant making more snide remarks about the Roman Catholic Church. That never gets old. Because we all know that Protestantism is the way to go if you want to be free of sin. 

(1) I am an atheist
(2) I was actually complimenting the RCC on its intellectual tradition, which most Protestant churches do not have.

So cease your knee-jerk assumptions and try to comprehend what's written before you answer.

[Ieldra]

Shepherd10 wrote...
If that's the so called "future of humanity", then you can count me out.

That's what the different choices are for. Obviously, your vision of humanity's future after the Reaper War is different from mine. Good that we needn't share it.

[Ieldra]

I guess we need a Miranda picture:

[GodWood]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I say the appropriate use of technology is only learned by experiencing it. If we wait for our ethics to be ready for it *before* we start to use it, then we'll never be ready. DXHR's Sarif ending risks that we learn by experience. Painful experience, if need be. But we'll come out the stronger for it.

Funny, we share similar goals but my outlook on it is quite different.

I think something that you may have missed is by choosing the Sarif ending you're giving corporations far too much freedom and allowing profit first organizations to determine human evolution and they may very well end up impeding it.

As our current capitalist world shows re-releasing the same crap is far more profitable then making genuine advancements.

/off topic.

[Ieldra]

Godwood, I agree that would be a big problem. I haven't exactly forgotten it and I share your skepticism about corporations, but that ending is still the best of the three with the most possibilities opened.

OK, now back to Miranda. Miranda is awesome....

[Ieldra]

AgitatedLemon wrote...
Don't ask me why I'm imagining this, but if you could compare Shepard and Miranda to a superhero (Or heroes), who would they be?

No idea about Shepard, but Miranda would be Black Widow.

[GodWood]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Godwood, I agree that would be a big problem. I haven't exactly forgotten it and I share your skepticism about corporations, but that ending is still the best of the three with the most possibilities opened.

I think we can agree all the endings open up a butt-load of negatives.

That's the reason why I liked them.

OK, now back to Miranda.

Carry on.

[Dr. Doctor]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Actually that's more like the Illuminati Ending. Maintain exclusive control over technological development until you think the rest of humanity is ready for it. Chances are you'll get used to having that power and never release the technology.

I say the appropriate use of technology is only learned by experiencing it. If we wait for our ethics to be ready for it *before* we start to use it, then we'll never be ready. DXHR's Sarif ending risks that we learn by experience. Painful experience, if need be. But we'll come out the stronger for it.

The thing is that Cerberus under TIM already uses this practice and it has some real disastrous results. Moving forward as a species would be one of art, culture, politics, etc not just science and technology. As it stands the majority of the Council races have formed into unified governments, the Alliance doesn't represent humanity as a whole, its only a coalition of the wealthiest space-faring nations back on Earth.

[AgitatedLemon]

Would Miranda keep or get rid of Keiji's graybox?

I don't recall her ever saying anything on it.

On that, would Miranda save the refinery workers or go after Vido, on Zorya?

[jtav]

I love the salute scene you get with her so much. It's one of the few times she feels like a 2IC. And her respect for Shep is palpable. Quite a long way from Lazarus. I feel like I've earned her regard.

[AgitatedLemon]

One of the few times?

[CrutchCricket]

I would tend to agree that one will would be more effective (at least in the short term) in getting future technologies integrated within society as opposed to letting it "occur naturally" Regulation of such technologies would also have to be practiced. I wouldn't trust any currently standing organizations though.

About the graybox, Miranda has no reason to care about whether Kasumi should move on or not. She would find data against the Alliance valuable though. Keep.

Difficult to say about the refinery. I'm actually drawing a blank on this one.

[Ieldra]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Actually that's more like the Illuminati Ending. Maintain exclusive control over technological development until you think the rest of humanity is ready for it. Chances are you'll get used to having that power and never release the technology.

I say the appropriate use of technology is only learned by experiencing it. If we wait for our ethics to be ready for it *before* we start to use it, then we'll never be ready. DXHR's Sarif ending risks that we learn by experience. Painful experience, if need be. But we'll come out the stronger for it.

The thing is that Cerberus under TIM already uses this practice and it has some real disastrous results. Moving forward as a species would be one of art, culture, politics, etc not just science and technology. As it stands the majority of the Council races have formed into unified governments, the Alliance doesn't represent humanity as a whole, its only a coalition of the wealthiest space-faring nations back on Earth.

Not so. Cerberus uses new technology without considering ethical implications according to a morality that already exists. There isn't any development necessary in human ethics to see that Cerberus' approach to things is unnecessarily cruel at the least and beyond-the-scale inhuman at worst, depending on your viewpoint. It's also not about the technologies themselves, but about the methods used for their development. Suppose there is a consensus that advancing human biotics is a good idea. Would you think, even for a moment, that any reasonable human who supports this idea would also support something like Pragia?

Also, if a technology is desirable in principle, it is not a given that proper safety measures would not be taken in the majority of cases. Cerberus presents a very skewed picture of what real research is like. Commercial production is much more likely to cut corners than cutting-edge research, even if it's only because you don't know which corners to cut without skewing your results. 

As for culture, poltiics and art, this also co-evolves with science and technology. The same rule applies as with ethics: only once the technology is there will other parts of human life adapt to it.

OK, this has gone way off-topic, but I couldn't keep silent. Sorry.

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
About the graybox, Miranda has no reason to care about whether Kasumi should move on or not. She would find data against the Alliance valuable though. Keep.

This.

Difficult to say about the refinery. I'm actually drawing a blank on this one.

I think she'd save the workers. Zaeed was misleading the team about his goals, she wouldn't like that. I think she'd even use the Paragon interrupt "We're not going to survive this unless we work together as a team". Zaeed is a loose cannon who'd endanger the mission for his personal goals if not checked.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 janvier 2012 - 09:30 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
About the graybox, Miranda has no reason to care about whether Kasumi should move on or not. She would find data against the Alliance valuable though. Keep.

This.

Difficult to say about the refinery. I'm actually drawing a blank on this one.

I think she'd save the workers. Zaeed was misleading the team about his goals, she wouldn't like that. I think she'd even use the Paragon interrupt "We're not going to survive this unless we work together as a team". Zaeed is a loose cannon who'd endanger the mission for his personal goals if not checked.

Sounds about right.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

ME3 has Three Ways to Play Through the Story: Action, Story, and RPG. Which Version Of ME3 will be similar to Playing ME1 and ME2?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 26 janvier 2012 - 09:42 .

[NOD-INFORMER37]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

ME3 has Three Ways to Play Through the Story: Action, Story, and RPG. Which one is similar to playing ME1 and ME2?

The RPG mode will be the normal M.E experience,  Story if for those who play mainly for the story(easier/less action) and action is those who play mainly for action(maybe harder action sequences, some dialogue will be automatic) 

Modifié par NOD-INFORMER37, 26 janvier 2012 - 09:43 .

[AgitatedLemon]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

ME3 has Three Ways to Play Through the Story: Action, Story, and RPG. Which Version Of ME3 will be similar to Playing ME1 and ME2?

RPG. Full control over converations and difficulty. Same as the previous games.

Action mode is just automated dialogue pasted over the shooting mechanics, and Story is dumbed-down combat, with full control over dialogue.

[naledgeborn]

MisterJB wrote...

On the subject of "Bring Down the Sky", what do you think Miranda would do?
I say, she would sacrifice the hostages and kill Balak once she realizes he won't say anything about this "Batarian Revolution".

Sacrifice hostages and secure Balak for Alliance interrogators.