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[Ieldra]

*Shudder*
This reads very convincing, jtav. I hope the thought of TIM using a control chip will help her resist the temptation - as far as she can in her condition. And the knowledge that TIM is wont to throw away tools he doesn't need anymore. Which would surely be the case if his plans work.

BTW, it is an interesting question how she can subvert TIM's plan given those blocks. It would have to mean you can't exactly program loyalty.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 janvier 2012 - 03:52 .

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
Miranda has always been presented as a very cautious planner who does things slow but gets them done right the first time. There's no race to destroy the Collectors, she knowns that they will only have one shot at it.

Agreed. Of course, we have to accept the rather gamey concept of the LMs, where resolving these personal issues results in extremely concrete benefits. But otherwise, I don't see any contradiction. Basically, Miranda is just recognizing that "focusing on the mission" in this case involves taking care of a lot of personal stuff along the way.

It's funny that Miranda would seem to prefer a smaller, more reliable squad, given her reluctance to open the tank, activate Legion, recruit Jack (presumably). Funny because ME2 would probably be an even better game with a smaller squad and more focus on the the main story.

The devs should have listened

Of course it is pretty damn good anyway.

Modifié par flemm, 27 janvier 2012 - 05:04 .

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...
It's funny that Miranda would seem to prefer a smaller, more reliable squad, given her reluctance to open the tank, activate Legion, recruit Jack (presumably). Funny because ME2 would probably be an even better game with a smaller squad and more focus on the the main story.

Miranda is smarter than almost all humans. Bioware should've followed her advice.

Edit:
Eh....ninja'd by post edit. Evil.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 janvier 2012 - 05:04 .

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Just to give you some perspective:

Within the next two weeks, jtav's and my presence on the Miranda support threads will go into its third year. We've pretty much seen it all. Times with 20 pages of gushing per day, 10 pages of passionate debate and times with nothing more than five posts of trolling per day, Everything not in the leak had been talked to death even before you joined, everything we read here we've read about a dozen times to a hundred times before and almost every opinion has been posted that many times as well. And we're still here because occasionally something interesting comes up. Sifting through pages of gushing to find the interesting stuff has been a chore two years ago, but there were enough people carrying it back then that nobody could be accused of spam. That has changed. We've grown sensitive to it, too. Just as people are getting sick of certain discussion topics, they are also getting sick of one-liner posts like "Miranda is my one and only *insert smily*" repeated ad infinitum. It adds nothing to this thread, it's really not more than spam. I'd rather have one page per day of posts I like to read (there have been worse times), interspersed with the occasional picture and "Miranda is awesome" post, instead of 10 pages of only the latter.

Well said Ieldra. "Elder" indeed:lol: That's what I was thinking too. if some of us newcomers (I think I'm still in this camp) are already going "talked to DEATH", what must it be like for you? I'm curious though, how many Miranda threads have there been and how big did they get before shutting down?

Anyway to current topics:
Miranda's Trial: I admit I don't know much about laws in other places or times but I imagined such a law as I proposed may have been used in war or against indentifiable terrorist groups. Obviously my country and most modern ones at that would not have such a law. Even so it might be interesting to imagine the Alliance or the Council instituting such a law particularly after ME3 if pockets of Cerberus are still kicking around.

Disagreements and LMs: Reviving Grunt and activating Legion, particularly the latter given the geth's propensity of multipling and taking over a ship. Might be particularly apt if you do it after Tali's loyalty.
I can see how Miranda might value what some LMs bring but think others are a waste of time. One thing to keep in mind too is reactions before and after. Take Mordin's. Tracking down a former student may not seem like time well spent. But gettting the genophage data would be a good payoff in the long run.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 27 janvier 2012 - 05:07 .

[jtav]

I'd have reduced it down to Miranda, Jacob, Mordin, Tali, Legion, and Jack, altering classes as needed for balance.

[CrutchCricket]

Why Jack? You're altering classes not backstory. The question of why bring a deranged convict with a furious hate of Cerberus on board, especially when you don't have as many biotics to replace/restrain her if she goes haywire remains.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Miranda is smarter than almost all humans. Bioware should've followed her advice.

Edit:
Eh....ninja'd by post edit. Evil.

Sorry, I tend to do multiple edits

The lack of a preview functionality doesn't help.

So, anyway, yeah... Miranda gives good game design advice

CrutchCricket wrote...

Why Jack? You're altering classes
not backstory. The question of why bring a deranged convict with a
furious hate of Cerberus on board, especially when you don't have as
many biotics to replace/restrain her if she goes haywire
remains.

Well, she contributes to the main story of the game, which is Cerberus and the Collectors, basically. A lot of squad members really don't.

I think a reduced squad could have looked something like this (similar to jtav's list):

Miranda
Mordin
Thacob: a hybrid of Jacob and Thane. A drell assassin in Cerberus' employ. Something like that.
Okeer: More interesting than Grunt, especially as contrasted with Mordin. Helpful for advancing the genophage plot.
Tali: Needed to advance the Quarian plot.
Legion: Basically the same as Tali, but for the Geth.
Garrus: the permanent sidekick.
Jack: needed for the Cerberus plot.

Modifié par flemm, 27 janvier 2012 - 05:16 .

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...

Well, she contributes to the main story of the game, which is Cerberus and the Collectors, basically. A lot of squad members really don't.

Yeah but if you want ME2 to show you Cerberus isn't all boogeymen, why include a character that basically reaffirms this notion or at least brings it back*? And what does she have to do with the Collectors?

If we're talking strict biotics I much rather favor Samara, both as a more logical choice and as a better contribution to the universe. Namely showing us a different and uniquely asari part of their culture. I've said it before apart from Samara all shown asari are basically blue strippers or blue chick mercenaries (apart from Liara who's a blue scientist). Samara is finally a step in the direction of showing us something different (well, relatively speaking anyway).

*Edit: even if you want to bring it back, you have Overlord for that.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 27 janvier 2012 - 05:18 .

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Yeah but if you want ME2 to show you Cerberus isn't all boogeymen, why include a character that basically reaffirms this notion or at least brings it back? And what does she have to do with the Collectors?

Well, the game should show both sides of Cerberus. She has nothing to do with the Collectors (that was just an acknowledgement of the other side of the game's main plot).

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
I'm curious though, how many Miranda threads have there been and how big did they get before shutting down?

Three in the ME2 forums, one here:
First thread by ComTrav, shut down at 316 pages by Stanley Woo for "sheer size", LOL.
Second thread by DarthReavus, shut down at 1752 pages by request because the OP had left and we wanted to edit it.
Third thread by Ieldra2, still running at 607 pages but overtaken by this thread in importance and traffic.

So this is the fourth incarnation.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 janvier 2012 - 05:35 .

[CrutchCricket]

Sweet, thanks. Just reading some of the old threads now. Man it really feels like digging up the past lol.
I think it's cool that you guys have stuck around so long. I don't envy you the wait though. I only discovered this series in August. And though I didn't think of it at the time I understand why you guys were freaking out so much when the first leak hit. You've had much longer to forge your fandom, much longer to wait for it to be validated and now it looked like they were gonna screw you.

Here's to hoping we all enjoy the payoff come March:wizard:

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 27 janvier 2012 - 06:00 .

[AgitatedLemon]

jtav wrote...

I'd have reduced it down to Miranda, Jacob, Mordin, Tali, Legion, and Jack, altering classes as needed for balance.

Interesting pick, to say the least.

I think I'd go with-

Miranda (Sentinel)
Mordin (Dunno what the hell Mordin is)
Jacob (Vanguard)
Tali (Engineer)
Garrus (Infiltrator/Soldier hybrid)
Legion (Infiltrator/Engineer hybrid)
Grunt (Pure soldier)
Samara/Morinth (Adept)

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
 I only discovered this series in August.

I'm similar, as I only got around to playing ME1 + 2 this summer.

[AgitatedLemon]

Ieldra2 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
I'm curious though, how many Miranda threads have there been and how big did they get before shutting down?

Three in the ME2 forums, one here:
First thread by ComTrav, shut down at 316 pages by Stanley Woo for "sheer size", LOL.
Second thread by DarthReavus, shut down at 1752 pages by request because the OP had left and we wanted to edit it.
Third thread by Ieldra2, still running at 607 pages but overtaken by this thread in importance and traffic.

So this is the fourth incarnation.

Y'know, I'm almost sad I wasn't around earlier. Everytime I go digging for a picture or wallpaper that came from these threads, I see all the discussions and everyone seemed legitimately happy and interested in whatever you guys were talking about.

[AgitatedLemon]

flemm wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
Yeah but if you want ME2 to show you Cerberus isn't all boogeymen, why include a character that basically reaffirms this notion or at least brings it back? And what does she have to do with the Collectors?

Well, the game should show both sides of Cerberus. She has nothing to do with the Collectors (that was just an acknowledgement of the other side of the game's main plot).

Part of the point to Miranda's inclusion (Aside from having the initial female squadmate, and "dat ass") was to showa different side of Cerberus, show people that they aren't the evil mustache-twirling terrorists everyone thought they were in ME1. To that effect, I think she pulled it of relatively well.

I'm actually kind of sad ME3 just tossed ALL of that ambiguity away.

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Sweet, thanks. Just reading some of the old threads now. Man it really feels like digging up the past lol.
I think it's cool that you guys have stuck around so long. I don't envy you the wait though. I only discovered this series in August. And though I didn't think of it at the time I understand why you guys were freaking out so much when the first leak hit. You've had much longer to forge your fandom, much longer to wait for it to be validated and now it looked like they were gonna screw you.
Here's to hoping we all enjoy the payoff come March

Indeed.

BTW, just reading some old posts. ROFL. In my third post (!), I complained the thread had too much spam. In her first post, jtav said she didn't believe Miranda would return as a team member. In the 70s, ComTrav posted a picture of Miranda in the pre-awakening sequence with his famous comment "Am I in heaven? Shouldn't there be 71 more of you?" which triggered a hilarious debate about whether Miranda might be a virgin. Most people were reasonable and firmly rejected that ridiculous notion, but there were a few incorrigibles who insisted that would be totally IC. That was long before LotSB of course.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 janvier 2012 - 06:20 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

The things is that I have ALWAYS Romanced with Miri.
I have had ONE Playthrough for 2 years, and it is my Canon. I kept Meta-Gaming. The Biggest change was FINALLY Importing an ME1 save (Twice, because I switched from the X-Box 360 to the PC).

This Playthrough will move on to ME3. Playing as a Male Shep and Romancing with Miri is my True Mass Effect Playthrough. It always has been ever since I started playing the Series 2 years ago. When my Canon is Complete after beating ME3, twice or three times, I will not know what to do.

There is ONE thing I fear if Playing a Femshep. I'm afraid to do this. I'm afraid that if I do this, Romancing with Miri won't feel Special anymore, and Romancing with Miri was always a Special part for my Mass Effect Experience. 



I always say to myself and to others that Miri is My One And Only LI, I don't want to go against what I believe in. You know what I mean? I am a Mirimancer/Mirimaniac, NOT a damn player!

If I do start a FemShep run, I may do it so that She does not have a romantic relation with anyone, and that everything is professional, like the Star Trek Captains, Like Janeway in Star Trek Voyager.

[CrutchCricket]

If I had to whittle the squad list down I'd pick (based on preference and to some extent importance):
Miranda
Mordin
Samara
Kasumi
Garrus
Tali
Legion
Okeer- I actually like this idea. He could have some biotics similar to Wrex.

Edit: Is nachos still the official food?

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 27 janvier 2012 - 06:24 .

[AgitatedLemon]

@MEFan

Then don't play FemShep. Just stick with your male Shepard's and Miranda. That's my advice, at least. You seem like you really don't want to do it, so don't do it.

edit: That picture never gets old<3

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 27 janvier 2012 - 06:25 .

[Ieldra]

@101:
Why wouldn't romancing Miranda feel special anymore if you play femShep? Miranda doesn't get less awesome if you do. Of course it's perfectly OK if you don't, I just don't understand the motivation. My main femShep is single, too, but that's more because there is no fitting male around than because of Miranda.

[jtav]

*reads some early posts* Wow, I've changed. Can I blame Ieldra for becoming more Renegade? Or just having more time to think about the character? I think differently once I'm in writer mode.

[AgitatedLemon]

Is nachos still the official food?

wut

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

^ Becuase I would be playing a FemShep, one who can't Romance with Miri. I don't think I can go through a Playthrough with Miri saluting me, rather than kissing me. You know what I mean. As much interesting as it is to play as a FemShep. I don't know how I would go through Mass Effect without Miri being my LI, even with a Male Shep.

[Td1984]

JosephDucreux wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
As for Miranda's trial, weren't there some laws that allowed an individual to be charged for each crime the organization they were affiliated with was responsible for? I imagine they might do something like that. I don't know if the Alliance or the Council has the death penalty but a life sentence is probable.

Highly unlikely. In most countries there isn't such legislation, and I doubt that the Alliance would have anything like that due to the risk of their black operators being compromised and being charged with all sorts of crimes commited durings ops in the name of the Alliance. Also, Miranda would more likely than not trade her knowledge of Cerberus and all of its ops for immunity, a clean sheet, and a position as either the head or one of the higher-ups semi-governmental organization in the mold of the STG and the present, actually existing CIA.

I had been thinking that ever since I completed my first playthrough of ME1. The things that the Salarian STG does seems very similar to what the CIA does.

[AgitatedLemon]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

^ Becuase I would be playing a FemShep, one who can't Romance with Miri. I don't think I can go through a Playthrough with Miri saluting me, rather than kissing me. You know what I mean. As much interesting as it is to play as a FemShep. I don't know how I would go through Mass Effect without Miri being my LI, even with a Male Shep.

Fair enough.

I get that feeling whenever I try to romance someone who isn't Miranda.

So I immediately drop that person and go to Miranda. Does that make me a terrible person?

@TD-

Only if ME's CIA is similar to CoD's CIA

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 27 janvier 2012 - 06:33 .